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I hate having moments of indecision. Argh.

I think I'm disinclined to lynch Antagon today though.

In post 574, Antagon wrote:

In post 573, Zachrulez wrote:What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

So you're unkillable unless you target someone that targets you for death?

That's.... pretty fuckin OP.

~Vote Count XIV

Antagon (6)

~ Katsuki, Oversoul, Pjovek, hp [leaves], Zdenek, enomis

MattP (3)

~ Tammy, Tierce, Zachrulez,

(enomis)

Zachrulez (2)

~ implosion, Syryana

fferyllt (1)

~ MattP

Pjovek (1)

~ sword_of_omens

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Antagon

In post 561, Tierce wrote:Oversoul any time you feel like not being useless it'd be great. Either shape up or get out. Sideline posts that have nothing to do with the game and zero content are ridiculous.

Katsuki is probably Town if Antagon is scum. MattP is scum regardless. Actually rather nice pile of Townreads if -things-, so etc.

Sorry? I take it you think I am town, which I guess my battle is half won.
I am actually contributing to a crucial wagon while you're... making noise I guess? about MattP. If you have any questions about my MattP read, follow Katsuki's logic about Whimsy flip > Matt's alignment.

But I will make more (serious?) posts tonight.

In post 576, Syryana wrote:

In post 574, Antagon wrote:

In post 573, Zachrulez wrote:What happens if someone who you don't target tries to kill you?

It will fail. I am protected from kills unless I target someone who tries to kill me.

So you're unkillable unless you target someone that targets you for death?

That's.... pretty fuckin OP.

But in a game where the death of one role makes it Night for the rest of the game...

Hmm...
UNVOTE:

Need to think about this...

In post 578, Oversoul wrote:

In post 561, Tierce wrote:Oversoul any time you feel like not being useless it'd be great. Either shape up or get out. Sideline posts that have nothing to do with the game and zero content are ridiculous.

Katsuki is probably Town if Antagon is scum. MattP is scum regardless. Actually rather nice pile of Townreads if -things-, so etc.

Sorry? I take it you think I am town, which I guess my battle is half won.
I am actually contributing to a crucial wagon while you're... making noise I guess? about MattP. If you have any questions about my MattP read, follow Katsuki's logic about Whimsy flip > Matt's alignment.

But I will make more (serious?) posts tonight.

OS, where's your paranoia? Has that evaporated from your play? You just finished a game where you and Tierce were partners, right? You're not paranoid of her at all?

Syryana - Did you actually catch up with the thread? Can you please tell me what you think of fferylit? thnx

Real quickly…

Going through the Matt/Tierce back and forth , I really don’t think Matt is scum…
He always seems like a wild card to me…I expect his fake-claims, so that really doesn’t seem to sway me one way or another…
His frustration at Tierce for calling him scum does seems genuine also…

I really don’t know what to think of Antagon’s claim as it does seem a bit OP to me as well … I will say that I do recall Abarat had a similar role that self -commuted themselves and a target for the night, so it could be possible…


Now that Bungles is gone, I can’t get my answer from him on why he was flip/flopping on Ffery, but:

hp [leaves wrote: post_id=5031846 time=1371208769 user_id=10128]we can chase after sword_of_omens next. pjo was an easy target at that time and he jumped on it hard

Yes, I jumped on him..did you even read what Pjo posted? It was ridiculous..He attacked me and ADDED words to my posts to try and paint me as scum lurking on D1 by emphasizing on the words he added...how is that not scummy as hell?
HP, do you see Pjo as town then? Also what are your reads on Ffery?

Matt - why did you say you haven't been scum for eight months? Are you forgetting replacing into streetcars as scum and then promptly replacing out 6 days later?

So, that was 5 months ago.

You were also scum in gay mafia...started in December and you were alive until day 5.

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Antagon (5)

~ Katsuki,

(Oversoul,)

Pjovek, hp [leaves], Zdenek, enomis

MattP (3)

~ Tammy, Tierce, Zachrulez

Zachrulez (2)

~ implosion, Syryana

fferyllt (1)

~ MattP

Pjovek (1)

~ sword_of_omens

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Antagon, Oversoul

In post 584, Tammy wrote:Matt - why did you say you haven't been scum for eight months? Are you forgetting replacing into streetcars as scum and then promptly replacing out 6 days later?

Are you saying that me not remembering the exact amount of time since I was last scummy is scummy?

So it was five months. Streetcar I replaced out of right away so it was barely a "scum experience", and gay mafia was a hydra with kanye that I was disappointed about and lurked the whole way through with no effort (and you can confirm this by looking through the hydra posts)

The point I'm making is that I haven't had a real scum game where I was being active and contributing in in a time, and pointing out that both of my most recent scumgames I was incapable of playing with this level of activity and behavior would only point towards me being incapable of playing like this as scum if anything. In fact, I've only been AtEy, once EVER in a scumgame that I can remember (I dont count heterosexual because there I was just being stale and plain angry whereas here I'm being more 3-d in my emotions which hopefully you'd be willing to admit) was Vanger Mafia, and that was for like a small moment on the second-to-last day. Besides that my only other decent game as scum ever was Barkley in my opinion, and there I was not at all emotional when pressure was on me like I am here.

You keep saying I can do this as scum with no problem, but I never have, and I actually don't think I can get myself as upset as I got at one point in this game (or war is hell) even if faking. I'm not saying that me being emotional is the only way I'd ever respond as town to pressure, I'm saying that if I do respond this way to pressure as town, it probably means I'm stressed already irl (see posh mafia, war is hell, and this) and I am not at a level of normalcy where I can just respond rationally to pressure as town. I generally immediately lash out because I'm already upset and then get even more upset when it shoots me in the foot.

Yeah, I'm using meta, sue me, it's self meta though and I know how I am as a player

You also still aren't trying to start dialogue with me about ffery, and it's bothering me. If you've failed to notice, ffery is not at all responding to my thoughts on him/her/whatever and it's specifically because he knows noone currently cares much about my opinion. I don't know why you are so keen to write him off as town for early game behavior and not reevaluate given his current play

I mean let's throw out this card because it's actually relevant, I have bipolar disorder, when I am depressed or stressed I don't do what normal people do, I go into mass panic mode. And it makes my posts seem ridiculous in hindsight because I actually at that mood point. And that's why I try telling you to talk to me in a 2-way dialogue, because I'm trying to prevent that level of upsetness. When everything is dandy in life I am much better at dealing with pressure, but when life is already stressful I'm much more prone to freakout mode

Like you can say this is all just AtE but you're making it be about AtE. If you would like to have a different discussion, one I think we can both agree is more productive, we should talk about ffery

Keep ignoring me and seeing if it goes away.

In post 591, Tierce wrote:Keep ignoring me and seeing if it goes away.

I didn't actively ignore you, I read your post when I was locked out of my house and then forgot to respond

Okay I'll respond to the rest, but I just got done reading three games of ffery's, have asked syryana for his read on ffery. So even though you don't know that I've been reading games, it's very clear in the thread I'm asking about ffery.

And just so you know every time I ask someone a question, it's not that I'm implying it's scummy. I wanted to read through your last scum game, and in trying to find it those stood out and I found it odd that you were characterizing it as sooooooo long ago, when it actually wasn't.

And chill, I'm getting ready to read through this game from the beginning like I said I needed to.

In post 568, Tierce wrote:

In post 565, MattP wrote:I'd like you to make a full step by step analysis of everything I've done from a scum standpoint rather than just say you don't believe me

Yeah, no. I have better things to do with my time, and by now it's obvious I don't want

you

lynched right now, so bugger off. I don't have to make a pretty case for you. It's also obvious what's the scum intent in an early VT claim, and there isn't an inch of Town intent in claiming at that point in a game with the Apocalypse mechanic.

Where are your Townreads? Where's that supposedly awesome post that was to come last Night?

I didn't say it would be an awesome post, I said I would respond to you and I answered all of the questions you asked in tandem with responding to Tammy.

Regardless of whether you want me lynched right now, I would like you to explain to me why my posts are scummy since you're constantly calling them out and I'd like to be able to actually respond to what you're saying instead of having me post something, have you say "bullshit!" and then move on to the next thing.

As for the Apocalypse mechanic, it's not something I ever actually think about while posting. I haven't been actively trying to take advantage of or ignore the mechanic. I'd like to know why an early VT claim has scum intent

My major townreads are you, Tammy, Syryana, Zdenek, Implosion, Katsuki. I can get into "why"s about any of them if you need that.

In post 588, MattP wrote: You keep saying I can do this as scum with no problem, but I never have, and I actually don't think I can get myself as upset as I got at one point in this game (or war is hell) even if faking. I'm not saying that me being emotional is the only way I'd ever respond as town to pressure, I'm saying that if I do respond this way to pressure as town, it probably means I'm stressed already irl (see posh mafia, war is hell, and this) and I am not at a level of normalcy where I can just respond rationally to pressure as town. I generally immediately lash out because I'm already upset and then get even more upset when it shoots me in the foot.

Yeah, I'm using meta, sue me, it's self meta though and I know how I am as a player

I think you are capable of it. I think I'm capable of it even though I never have and can't imagine me doing it as scum. And one reason is I just care about my scum games less so getting legitimately upset is hard for me. I get the emotional outbursts under stress; I've probably had some of the more embarrassing meltdowns on this site.

And I happen to find self meta townish anyway, but yes in vanger you did self meta what you didn't think you could fake.

In post 28, Oversoul wrote: Whimsical Eggplant, are you Mastin

Why did you ask this when in the sign up thread after you asked whose alt he was, he told you noones just an old account he forgot the information of?

Oh before I forget I'm rethinking both of my zach and OS leaning town reads.

I'm hesitant because some of you obviously know MattP's game quite well, but he has come off as genuine IMO and I'm leaning town. I feel like pushing him on this is becoming a waste of game-time.

In post 187, Zachrulez wrote:
My lack of attention to the game over the weekend was due to having lots of shiny distractions. My lack of attention in that timeframe isn't meant to say that I was never going to give the content in the game attention, just that I wasn't in much of a position to over the last couple of days.

Why did you feel the need to preempitvely defend yourself for this?