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Imperium if someone hammers before anything else happens, put up Bulb and Gnomeo please, I'll flip a coin and vote one of them. If it's Blackberry/Gnomeo I'll be voting Gnomeo because I'm more sure on him.

In post 573, Voidedmafia wrote:

F-16 Falcon replaces Blackberry.

I skimmed through the game before replacing in but I'll post reads after I catch up fully.

Really? No reaction at all?

In post 578, Gnomeo wrote:Really? No reaction at all?

Really? Bitching about a replacement before they even say anything?

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote: Well, I've pointed out how Bulbazak's plan is antitown and I've supplied a reads list.

Yeah, those points were so contrived that they hurt. It seriously felt like you just threw things together that you thought would sound reasonable and said "Ugh, plan bad.". I was able to take it apart in 2 seconds.

I still like my plan, but I think everyone's going to do what they want, and I no longer care.

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote: I have made it perfectly clear why I'm voting Bulbazak.

Can you remind me? Because nothing's coming to mind.

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote:

Bulbazak wrote:No, I said you copied the format that Titus used to a T, which showed a type of laziness that is indicative of scum.

I already said I got it from the first page(the player list). Funny how you still keep try and discredit me for it. You're now throwing mud around to see what sticks.

I don't know. It looked an awful lot like Titus's. The unoriginality pinged me immediately, because I've seen that from scum before. Anyway, it's a minor point, and I'm not going to base a case on it. It is by no means mud slinging or a way to discredit you (sorry, I had to keep from laughing there for a minute.).

Speaking of discrediting...

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote:

Bulbazak wrote:So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

It sure is easy when you're scum and you get to choose a scumteam yourself. Good job.

I've been pretty clear why I suspect everyone on that list.

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote:

Bulbazak wrote:No, because he's talking out of his rear and contradicting himself. Funny thing is everybody sees it and continues to call him town. It's frustrating.

In post 229, Toogeloo wrote:

In post 214, Bulbazak wrote:Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other.

So you think that if everyone was a double FOSer that we couldn't just nominate an HOH who did want one or both of the two nominees up? Everyone being a double voter

is

the accountability. People would be expected to explain their FOS's.

Let me ask you this. Let's assume the HOH puts up the most FOS'd player in the game and someone who has had very little FOS. If the person with less FOS votes gets lynched, and flips town, is it the HOH's fault? No, because everyone else voted out that player. But beyond that, shouldn't the common thought be that the person with the most FOSs should be going home anyways, since that's what the players have wanted? So why even bother giving the HOH some kind of power to nominate a person of their own choosing? Giving it to them just opens a door for chaos to happen if the most FOS'd player doesn't get lynched.

He says that double FoSs makes the HoH accountable, and then explains his plan, where the HoH is not accountable. It's complete gibberish with the sole purpose of making him look town.

In post 543, Gnomeo wrote: Minions: Bulbazak tries linking us together. Which means he's probably Bulbazak's scumbuddy.

Distance harder.

In post 543, Gnomeo wrote:

Scum:

Bulbazak: I don't think this needs explaining.

Yeah, it does. Because all I've got for your reasonings is magic, rainbows, and the rest of the town thinks he's scum.

In post 545, BBmolla wrote:The double bus is a nice touch though

Reality called. She wants you to come back to bed.

In post 579, ToastyToast wrote:

In post 578, Gnomeo wrote:Really? No reaction at all?

Really? Bitching about a replacement before they even say anything?

He's scum. It's in the job description.

In post 14, BBmolla wrote:Blackberry is probably town, everybody who has posted so far is probably town.

Can you explain why?

In post 5, Titus wrote:This is an interesting twist. I propose having two votes. The official vote for HoH and pressure votes to indicate who the house thinks is scummy.

VOTE: Minions

Pressure vote: Gnomeo

What is your reasoning for having these "pressure" votes. You clearly are of the opinion that scum can manipulate popular opinion and you want the HoH to decide who to nominate. So, why have formal, boldface pressure votes if we aren't going to be taking popular consensus into account?

In post 582, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 5, Titus wrote:This is an interesting twist. I propose having two votes. The official vote for HoH and pressure votes to indicate who the house thinks is scummy.

VOTE: Minions

Pressure vote: Gnomeo

What is your reasoning for having these "pressure" votes. You clearly are of the opinion that scum can manipulate popular opinion and you want the HoH to decide who to nominate. So, why have formal, boldface pressure votes if we aren't going to be taking popular consensus into account?

Accountability and scumhunting. Pressure votes or FoSes (which was adopted by the group) indicate who people think is scum. If someone a player is FoSing a lot AND that player does not vote to evict said player, it looks suspicious. Plus, it helps the HoH determine who to nominate. I just don't want the HoH to be by popular opinion.

In post 579, ToastyToast wrote:

In post 578, Gnomeo wrote:Really? No reaction at all?

Really? Bitching about a replacement before they even say anything?

This wasn't adressed at the replacement.

I've spent a lot of time catching up and giving my opinions. It's very frustrating to see how nobody responds to it.


The worst one is probably Imperium, who acts like I didn't even post, does not answer me and goes on to announce he'll be putting me up. At least have the decency to answer my questions!

This feels like I am already condemned, although I have no idea why. Well, just get this day over with so I don't have the hope someone will actually listen to me.

I don't like Desperado's 48. Desperado seems too sure about Jake/Dash’s affiliation. From what I gather, they seem to be fairly influential players (making them obvious buddy targets) which is another reason I find it particularly troublesome. Desperado, have you played with Jake/Rainbowdash before? If so, can you link me the games?

In post 581, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 14, BBmolla wrote:Blackberry is probably town, everybody who has posted so far is probably town.

Can you explain why?

No I can't

In post 580, Bulbazak wrote:Reality called. She wants you to come back to bed.

wat

I'm sleeping with reality?

In post 66, ToastyToast wrote:

Jake wrote:Which is why its better to decide who is going to get lynched, put them and alternative up and lynch the mane target with every vote.

That pun deserves an award.
And honestly I think we have to start steering away from flavor talk now. Everyone is going to want different things. I'm okay with the FoS thing, but if I don't like the main wagon I'm not going to put them up.

I don't like this post. Toasty wants us to steer away from flavor talk which is fine. However, he made no pro-active effort to do so or offer his reads.

In post 584, Gnomeo wrote:

In post 579, ToastyToast wrote:

In post 578, Gnomeo wrote:Really? No reaction at all?

Really? Bitching about a replacement before they even say anything?

This wasn't adressed at the replacement.

I've spent a lot of time catching up and giving my opinions. It's very frustrating to see how nobody responds to it.


The worst one is probably Imperium, who acts like I didn't even post, does not answer me and goes on to announce he'll be putting me up. At least have the decency to answer my questions!

This feels like I am already condemned, although I have no idea why. Well, just get this day over with so I don't have the hope someone will actually listen to me.

I think your list of reads is nothing surprising. It just seems to lump all the people who have been called scum in this game together, and then throw in toogeloo as a strong town read. So it doesn't do anything to convince me that you are town or scum.

F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:

In post 66, ToastyToast wrote:

Jake wrote:Which is why its better to decide who is going to get lynched, put them and alternative up and lynch the mane target with every vote.

That pun deserves an award.
And honestly I think we have to start steering away from flavor talk now. Everyone is going to want different things. I'm okay with the FoS thing, but if I don't like the main wagon I'm not going to put them up.

I don't like this post. Toasty wants us to steer away from flavor talk which is fine. However, he made no pro-active effort to do so or offer his reads.

I can give a full read list if you want, but I've given out my most important reads.

In post 587, BBmolla wrote:

In post 580, Bulbazak wrote:Reality called. She wants you to come back to bed.

wat

I'm sleeping with reality?

Not currently, no.

I am still here but may be a bit out of it for a few days. My young cousin Amy died yesterday from her cancer.

Peacebringer's ISO is terrible. There is no pro-active scumhunting going on. Just hanging in the sidelines. Nearly all of his posts are pointless.

In post 585, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't like Desperado's 48. Desperado seems too sure about Jake/Dash’s affiliation. From what I gather, they seem to be fairly influential players (making them obvious buddy targets) which is another reason I find it particularly troublesome. Desperado, have you played with Jake/Rainbowdash before? If so, can you link me the games?

Town Jake vs Scum Desperado

Town Rainbowdash vs Scum Desperado

In post 592, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Peacebringer's ISO is terrible. There is no pro-active scumhunting going on. Just hanging in the sidelines. Nearly all of his posts are pointless.

Are you reading the game or doing iso's? If you're just doing iso's...why?

In post 493, PeaceBringer wrote:

In post 492, Toogeloo wrote:Well now, that's quite the appeal.

I am playing the game out, I won't replace out. But this game is not pulling me in. Fact.

This talk followed by the replace out tells me that my scumread was based on the wrong reasons. This doesn't necessarily mean he's town, but it means he's not as scum as I once thought he was.

In post 494, Bulbazak wrote:This is the first time I stated it in thread. I had been thinking it for awhile, though.

I was hoping for quotes describing Toogeloo's trajectory and why you didn't like it, mostly.

In post 494, Bulbazak wrote:People started townreading him for his "mistake", which I think was the entire reason for him to do that in the first place.

This is fine. I didn't think it was valid to accuse Minions of not being worried enough about where his vote for HoH fell.

In post 494, Bulbazak wrote:the term can only be perceived one way.

No. I used the term because it seemed fitting; I didn't expect it to elicit such a strong reaction from you.

In post 494, Bulbazak wrote:True, but we don't know for sure that the HoH is town or not. We need to be able to question the HoH if they make a questionable or strange choice, which will lead to more information, which is always good for town. Removing that accountability from the HoH removes that information that the town could have received, and such information could have been vital.

If someone is town enough where we would elect them HoH, I sort of assume that they are smart enough to choose people where they have/can fake decent reasoning for whoever they put up. Meaning I personally believe that the risk/reward isn't worth it; the information gained from giving the HoH more freedom actually isn't worth it.

In post 494, Bulbazak wrote:Why didn't you say "scum" then?

Because I orient myself around strong townreads and thus "leftovers" is synonymous with "scum".

In post 506, Desperado wrote:Toast looked town last I thought about it

That's what I thought too, but I'm starting to doubt myself. Think about it again and tell me what you conclude, please.

In post 506, Desperado wrote:Gnomeo, blackberry are null in order.

Gnomeo is null? Then why haven't you been more proactive in getting people to talk more about him?

In post 520, Titus wrote:I think if the resetting of the votes was deliberate, that suggests the scums don't want Jake as the HoH. I'm inclined to work against the scums.

As far as town posts go, this one is pretty solid.

In post 536, Bulbazak wrote:

Unvote

Yeah, I'm done talking with Imperium. I'm not going to get anywhere. And Molla can stuff it as far as I'm concerned.

Why did you unvote here?

In post 538, Gnomeo wrote:Well, you were wrong and admitted it, but still you didn't answer the question. Why is that?

I don't usually explain things that are irrelevant. Is there a reason that you wanted a read that we no longer held explained?

In post 541, Gnomeo wrote:You want me dead because you think I shot Jake? That's bad, coming from you.

No. And that should be clear even if you're only skimming our posts.

In post 541, Gnomeo wrote:What the hell is this?

What do you think it is?

In post 551, ToastyToast wrote:prodded. Will post things when I get back from le gym, but I still think Imperium is the right choice for HoH.

Looking forward to these things.

In post 558, Desperado wrote:Titus' may have been a townslip but KBW's comment is a special brand of stupid that doesn't look genuine at all.

Why not?

In post 576, BBmolla wrote:Imperium if someone hammers before anything else happens, put up Bulb and Gnomeo please,

If there's an early hammer, this will probably happen. I would like time to sort out replacements, though.

In post 589, ToastyToast wrote:I can give a full read list if you want, but I've given out my most important reads.

Yes please!

@ Imperium: Gnomeo just isn't on my radar right now.

KBW didn't look genuine because he had shown that he understood what the vote was for and there has not been anything in the thread to suggest that Jake had actually gotten lynched.

Re: Toasty; I think I thought he was town because he and Titus both reacted poorly to Molla early on and I figured Titus was the more likely scum, but Toasty's ISO + Titus' townslip = scummy. As long as one of Rach, Toast, and Bulb is nominated tonight I'll be happy.

I think two nominations people want out might be quite telling after the vote count is revealed, but it may not be the best play. All votes for eviction are secret, so not really sure how keen I am on putting up two people anyone could be swayed to vote for. If one is scum and the other is town, but both are scummy, enough town players could end up voting the town player on the block and all the scum vote for him as well, and we end up outing the town instead of the scum, and relying on people being honest about who they voted for.

Who would you suggest then Toog?

You could put me up as a pawn.