Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Wisdom]

So nacho what are your scumreads? shos/penguin/?

[MattP]

Well those were more similar situations to the one with GrimGroove, not Whiskers. Whiskers is similar to how I reached out to Tierce and Tammy at points in War is Hell and that Empire game I was in with Nacho (regarding Tammy). Once again I can think of more examples.

It's pretty protown to try to reduce town havoc so I don't get why that would "freak you out"

[MattP]

If it's a meta thing then fine, but sans meta it makes perfect sense for me to behave this way.

[Nachomamma8]

So nacho what are your scumreads? shos/penguin/?

Not sure. The rest are in my not-town pile.

[Nachomamma8]

namely arc, groove, mirari, ooba.

[pirate mollie]

Yes, but no.

There are players who

think

they can read others in one post.
Even if they can, there's

no

reason for other players to not be suspicious of them both. In fact, I'd say it's far more likely to see two scum who 100% know each other's alignments than two townies, because

townies don't know each other's roles.

scum rarely go "oh hai I will put you as strong tooooowwwwn and we will buddy up in the thread and win this game!!! \o/". scum usually distance themselves from their scummates in some way. town moves in herds; it is smarter for scum to disperse the town herd then to try to direct it.

So, if you can read people in from one post, I'd say,
There's a great chance of you reading them wrong and not realizing until they beat you as scum (of course, those don't count, brilliant scum play, or you have an off day, or some fluke).

there is a better chance of reading them correctly if I have played either a ton of games with them or I hydra with them. it comes with experience with the game an with that person.

There's a great chance of you thinking you can read them from one post because you go "oh they're town" and they flip town, as the majority of players would do, since the majority of players in any game are town.
There's a great opportunity for you, as scum, to claim to have read your partner as town after his first post. You're totally sure of it, because you are such an experienced mafia player!
There's a great opportunity for your friends, who know you can "read them after one post," to manipulate you into reading them as town after one post, thereby gaining a lovely white-knight for the rest of the game.

this is a very simplistic overview of the game. and sometimes I will townread a scumspect in order to get them to help me lynch their partners so that should be taken into consideration as well, especially on d1.

But please, bring me examples of you having read people after one post. No doubt you'll prove me wrong in the end.

do you really want to look at them cos otherwise *effort*

[Wisdom]

upgrade ooba to town and we are 100% in agreement.

?
What changed?

[pirate mollie]

Whiskers, if you DON'T have a scumread on me why aren't you trying to work with me? I think I'm a pretty rational guy. It seems that if you just stopped throwing insults and snark at me and tried being cooperative it would make a whole lot more sense. Your antagonism towards nearly every player in the game is irrationally unproductive.

matt this is where you are freaking me out. I have never seen your scumgame only your town but you are completely different here. I have never seen you reach out before.

When have you played with Matt? Walking Dead and Posh, right?

yeah he was pretty excitable there. those 2 are my only experiences with him other than tater

[Nachomamma8]

can't talk about ooba now.

I will say that there's a lot more to say that other townreads are town, though. Ooba has an odd opening for scum-ooba and then not so much.

[MattP]

namely arc, groove, mirari, ooba.

It would be funny if Nacho just scumslipped in the fashion I was harking GG for prior.

It seems that "100 page away paranoia" could have occurred a lot sooner than I had imagined

_____

Pirate, I said I would be taking a different approach this game than in those games, precisely because I was destructive and unfun those games.

[Nachomamma8]

yeah he was pretty excitable there. those 2 are my only experiences with him other than tater

those were shitty mattp towngames.
this is a much better mattp towngame.

[pirate mollie]

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

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[pirate mollie]

Pirate, I said I would be taking a different approach this game than in those games, precisely because I was destructive and unfun those games.

that is why I am giving you some space plus content alone and the direction of your thoughts points to town.

[Nachomamma8]

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

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What do you think of my reasons for Mala-town?

[Nachomamma8]

Writing her off too easily?

[Whiskers]

answer not good enough try again what is your dealio

It's because you're annoying as fuck.
Maybe I'll build an actual case on you someday.

Whiskers, my understanding is that because you are not good at reading people, you think no-one is. You're completely wrong.

No. I'm not good at reading people, but townies do not know the alignments/roles of other players, because that's the whole point of the game. You can read people, but [any of my previous posts].

If you have someone else's role PM, in addition to your own, that's information that might be useful to the town-- or at least, you should tell us you have, instead of just acting suspicious.

[pirate mollie]

Writing her off too easily?

who are you talking about here

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

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What do you think of my reasons for Mala-town?

I can't scumhunt mala and you know exactly why. I would rather give it a day.

I can't read penny but mala and desp interestingly intersect with the scumread on her for the same reasons.

talk to me about groovy kid

[pirate mollie]

answer not good enough try again what is your dealio

It's because you're annoying as fuck.
Maybe I'll build an actual case on you someday.

Whiskers, my understanding is that because you are not good at reading people, you think no-one is. You're completely wrong.

No. I'm not good at reading people, but townies do not know the alignments/roles of other players, because that's the whole point of the game. You can read people, but [any of my previous posts].

If you have someone else's role PM, in addition to your own, that's information that might be useful to the town-- or at least, you should tell us you have, instead of just acting suspicious.

jesus christ I am telling you this thing isn't town

[Nachomamma8]

but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town.

The push itself is good, even though it's probably wrong. That's not what a scumDesp ignoring obvious towntells to get a mislynch on you would look like.

[Wisdom]

You can read people, but [any of my previous posts].

When you are good at reading people, you minimize the dangers you mentioned in your previous posts. They'll be there, sure, but it's better to have some people you think are town to work with, than work on your own and get paranoid with everything.

[MattP]

If you have someone else's role PM, in addition to your own, that's information that might be useful to the town-- or at least, you should tell us you have, instead of just acting suspicious.

Oh, c'mon now!

Also, I'm not just ignoring Nacho's potential scumslip because everyone else did.

[Wisdom]

jesus christ I am telling you this thing isn't town

He acts like he's a newbie, that's what worries me.

[Wisdom]

What scumslip, Matt?

[pirate mollie]

but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town.

The push itself is good, even though it's probably wrong. That's not what a scumDesp ignoring obvious towntells to get a mislynch on you would look like.

the only thing that irks me is how he is ignoring what whiskers is doing. I mean like we literally just saw this happen in a micros.

[MattP]

If Whiskers was scum he would not point out that I'm giving him preferential treating for behaviors I'm picking at Shos for. End of story.