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↑ phokdapolees wrote:Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches.

Mostly just referencing this line here. Not calling it outright scummy, just something that I might look back at later. Many of the reads and stuff if my posts have been like that.

(3) - DeasVail, implosion, AGar
(2) - Malakittens, phokdapolees
(1) - BipolarChemist

(5) - ZZZX, tman2nd, sthar8, shaddowez, Aneninen

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- I know I'm reaching a bit in the early game for this, but you had Anen as a scum read, and then randomly changed him to a town read. Mind explaining that? I'd also like some of your thoughts on tman - you voted him early on D1 based on RVS, then placed a naked vote on him later in the day, with the only post in-between saying he "feels fake".

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(OOG/OOC - I just figured out you can ISO more than one person at a time!!!!! That makes life so much simpler - and now, back to your regularly scheduled programming)

Here's some thoughts on the tman/Tammy feel I've got:

In Post #45, tman becomes the only person to involve himself in the Tammy/Flames/Phok issue, other than the three of them. While innocuous in and of itself, it could be early buddying/soft defending.
In Post #69, he brings up Tammy insisting she's town, and then just four posts later dismisses it because it looks like something she might normally do.
In Post #90, he goes back to defending the Flames/Tammy voting from a post made 50 posts earlier.

↑ tman2nd wrote:Tammy: I don't see why she's been read as super towny. I mean, I read her as town, but she's not outstandingly so.

Something about this line in his reads list bothers me - there's nothing specific about it, but I just don't like it.
In Post #231, he dissects Anen's reads list, but doesn't touch the read on Tammy.
In Post #336, he singles out a line of Neil's post, where it appears that Neil wasn't reading Tammy's posts.

Tammy doesn't mention tman too much, but does question him in Post #240 about why he dissected Anen's list, and then has this about him in her reads list in Post #438:

↑ Tammy wrote:Tman's pointing out that I had called myself town several times does not in any way shape or form demonstrate someone who is reading the game and is pointing out motivations. It's a null tell. It's also something that scum can very easily do to look like they're scum hunting. Oh she called herself town too many times, that's scummy. And for Neil to be all "oh I didn't know if anyone would notice it" I mean what? Town and scum have come after me for calling myself town before. It's never stopped me from calling myself town! (What I think makes him look town from the affair is that it looks to me like Rack said this was my scum meta, not long after that Tman pulled up posts where I'm referring to myself being town and says it looks like a joke but do I do it often. Considering that was the most of what I did do, it makes sense that if someone says hey she's scum by meta, he'd go looking. It looks like he took Tman's accusation seriously and went looking for what could make me scum. That's something that I'd expect more from town trying to figure out the game than from scum who would know that Rack was lying.)

None of this is solid evidence, but it's what's pointing me in the direction of believe tman could have been responsible for Tammy's death.

↑ Aneninen wrote:AGar, why had been that post you mentioned that bad?

The last part in particular bothers me, as it reads very feigned to me. He's not concerned that implosion would have less-than-complete reads, I don't think. Looks more like "Yes, go read a bunch of stuff and convolute things!"

I saw Mala asked me why I thought daytalk would be in Mini Normals or something and it's because since I joined the site I saw a massive uptick in daytalk being a thing as far as I can remember, including mini normals, to a point where it felt odd (and rude!) to not have daytalk as scum/neighbors/masons/etc. It's happened in the past 2 or 3 years?

↑ shaddowez wrote:I always do that... Did it for the Flames/Neil replace too. Unless I'm extremely confident in my read, or there's an investigative claim against a slot, I like to hear from the replacement to make sure it's not a play style thing I wasn't liking.

This was a phone post, will have more to contribute later

This is weak because it could literally chalk anything up to "Well I guess it was just their playstyle I didn't like!" and that's real bad. Kill this with fire guys. Do it.

Also, accusing tman is bad and you should feel bad.

That or I'm really missing something here.

↑ AGar wrote:God dammit BPC.

UNVOTE:

This is a bad post. And he's just up and hopped on the Chaos wagon, which makes me feel real uneasy about that wagon. Seems very off with his presence there.

VOTE: Shaddowez

I'm unsure how you're referencing the post where I unvote, and in the very next sentence say that you feel uneasy about the wagon since I'm on it.

BipolarChemist, 568 and 569 –
as for Shadowez, are you saying that he has a survival gameplay?
As for Implosion: what do you mean by that "Autoscum! WIFOM!" part? Do you think a page1 post is relevant now? And he was voting for Shadowez in 551...
As for Tman: maybe you're right here.

BipolarChemist, 570 – uhh, are you just buddying AGar and Tman? Why did you call Sthar8 and ZZZX a--holes?

BipolarChemist, 571 – uhh-squared! What blatant buddying! Are you trying to build a townblock or what? As if we were sure that you are town.

Shadowez, 579 – as for the first part: I'd be interested in MalaKitty's answer too. I don't see the relevance of the other part.

AGar, 580 – the last part of Shadowez' post might have been weak but the thing he quoted from DeasVail wasn't stronger either. But uhhh... that "to make sure it's not a play style thing I wasn't liking" from Shadowez that was bad indeed.

There are so many things about Shadowez and I wish I found something about him by myself as well. BipolarChemist is another one whom I'm watching closely. Apart from that buddying something else disturbs me in his posts too. DeasVail is a question mark. We need more posts from ZZZX and Sthar8. Where is MalaKitty? I have a feeling that someone out of these {AGar, Phokdapolees, Implosion, Tman} is lying.

I need to take a break from this tonight. Hopefully back in full force tomorrow.

↑ BipolarChemist wrote:

↑ phokdapolees wrote:Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches.

Mostly just referencing this line here. Not calling it outright scummy, just something that I might look back at later. Many of the reads and stuff if my posts have been like that.

Saying that someone is going after the easy lynch =/= defending the easy lynch

I thought I posted in this game yesterday. Alas.

@BPC who asked about the unvote: I don't really have that good of a reason, I mean I could pressure you with a vote but 1) if I'm going for pressure I'd rather apply it on someone who will feel it which isn't as true immediately upon replacing in, and 2) I haven't really been active enough in this game to benefit from the result of pressure voting.

@the people who said I should do more: you're right. I suppose I can actually give a comment on shadow's post on this page:

None of this is solid evidence, but it's what's pointing me in the direction of believe tman could have been responsible for Tammy's death.

This is phrased so, so sketchily. He doesn't even explicitly say that tman is scum. It feels noncommittal in a scum way.

This is a prod dodge. If I don't manage to get back into the game soon, I will replace out.

I'm hereish. I'm just really show obsessed right now and that seems to be takin up the limited time I have. Good news is I'm almost done with the series. Only six more episodes. Also I work like 40-45 hours a week at night plus days.

Ill try and post tonight before my sleep meds go into affect

I'm reading up, sorry. Should be caught up tomorrow-ish.

Aaaand let's summarize the relevant content of the 3 latest posts:

birds are dumb

↑ phokdapolees wrote:

↑ BipolarChemist wrote:

↑ phokdapolees wrote:Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches.

Mostly just referencing this line here. Not calling it outright scummy, just something that I might look back at later. Many of the reads and stuff if my posts have been like that.

Saying that someone is going after the easy lynch ≠ defending the easy lynch

No, but there was some point when you decided it was noteworthy to bring that up. My point here is that motives might become more clear at later times.

↑ implosion wrote:
@BPC who asked about the unvote: I don't really have that good of a reason, I mean I could pressure you with a vote but 1) if I'm going for pressure I'd rather apply it on someone who will feel it which isn't as true immediately upon replacing in, and 2) I haven't really been active enough in this game to benefit from the result of pressure voting.

I was at 2 votes when I replaced in. One more would feel hella pressuring, so I think that your vote was fairly important if you wanted me to be run up a bit to see how I would have reacted. This also requires almost no work on your part

Why the pigeons, Anen? I honestly have no idea.

↑ Aneninen wrote:I have a feeling that someone out of these {AGar, Phokdapolees, Implosion, Tman} is lying.

Out of this list, I'd agree with either of the last two. I still think that Agar is town. He's felt that way all game to me, and even his vote on me seems like it's town motivated. He's looking both into what people are saying, along with what I'm saying, and isn't just hopping on a wagon. Phok doesn't have a lot in his ISO, but something about him still feels town to me.

While I almost entirely agree with the reads list Mala gave before the Neil flip, there hasn't been much from her since the flip. I'm still waiting for answers from her, and would like her to come back to the game instead of whatever show she's currently addicted to.

Also, it looks like Mala's been posting in quite a few other places. If I don't get answers by tomorrow (RL) night, I'm placing my vote on Mala.

↑ shaddowez wrote:Also, it looks like Mala's been posting in quite a few other places. If I don't get answers by tomorrow (RL) night, I'm placing my vote on Mala.

No offense, but that might be a bit harder for me as tuesday are my twelve hour day shifts.

Feel free to vote me though. I mean you are basically coping-out in all retrospect.

↑ shaddowez wrote:Mala - I know I'm reaching a bit in the early game for this, but you had Anen as a scum read, and then randomly changed him to a town read. Mind explaining that? I'd also like some of your thoughts on tman - you voted him early on D1 based on RVS, then placed a naked vote on him later in the day, with the only post in-between saying he "feels fake".

I think I already went over this.
Mostly my gut-scum read on him was because he felt forced in his RVS and the fact he was ignoring this game. His activity didn't start until I called him out about posting elsewhere.
I actually do not know why I moved him to a townread. I actually don't.

Eh, Tman, is likely very town to me. I can't explain why, but I will likely not vote him today or never at all the rest of this game.

↑ AGar wrote:I saw Mala asked me why I thought daytalk would be in Mini Normals or something and it's because since I joined the site I saw a massive uptick in daytalk being a thing as far as I can remember, including mini normals, to a point where it felt odd (and rude!) to not have daytalk as scum/neighbors/masons/etc. It's happened in the past 2 or 3 years?

This feels really weird like he's trying to cover his tracks.

Which really sucks because I think you are really town unless you are busing your scummates like you did in HP3.

↑ BipolarChemist wrote:Dude, we get that you have a ladyboner for Tammy, but you can probably drop that past the first couple of posts Okay, I do like that you were having fun for the first day. Ugh you just look like you are having so much fun this game. Anyone wanna tell me if she’s always this fun? I’d really like to know! Thanks!
I don’t know about points on Anen, this is just how he’s been every time I see him. Not very serious and like <5% real content. This is almost the feel I’m getting on you, being halfway through your ISO. Lots of just joking around and explaining how you do things. Some scumhunting but eh nothing really…much? Then grr grr, I don’t know what to think about you possibly thinking Flames was town then goin pretty harsh onto Neil, then clamoring for the hammer. Just super enthusiastic about lynching? Or excited for a bus of their partner? HMMMMM, I’m actually not sure…especially with the reads list at the end of Day 1. So much WIFOM!

Nothing really in the way of thoughts for her Day 2 play!

Naaah, I like to make sure she's town so it's easier for me to work with her down the line. I been trying to get it out of the way early day than later stage of the game, but I think she's been getting upset about it so I should tone it down. :\
Me having fun depends on a lot of things, but mostly my attitude iRL at the time I'm posting. I don't think anyone can really answer you on that because no one has experience with me besides Tammy.
Yeah the flames switch was due to wagon speed, but I have some solid scum/town tells on Neil and then Neil committed two of them which I know are very accurate. So he was confirmed scum in my eyes and was not letting Day 1 end w/o his lynch.

Anyways, idk if you wanted me to respond, but i did.