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My main issue with Stewie's large amount of knowledge of the game has nothing to do with him being the SK to gain that knowledge. What I mean is, I understand that the SK doesn't just "get" this knowledge from being the SK.
What I am trying to point out is that Stewie is lurking, rarely posting so people cannot get good reads on him, but is following the game to such a degree that he notices patterns of behavior just as much as everyone else, perhaps even better. He continually shows up at the right place and the right time to be pivotal in all of the lynches.
Another point, since you agreed on it, the SK was on time with ALL of his kills except the latest one. You agreed with my theory Mirth that he sent them in in advance. If Stewie really is LA, then this would make perfect sense.
Yet during the entire time he has "Hid in Plain Sight", refusing to give his opinions on any other players, so he is never tied to anyone in case something happens, and is playing extremely carefully. This points to a survivor role in my opinion.
I never meant that I thought he knew who the mafia were, but it seems to me that he is keeping very good notes, yet is refusing to share them with the town. Some of those notes could have been very useful in Day 1 and Day 2.
Mirth: When I pointed to myself being on scum lynches, that was intended to try and prove I wasn't mafia. I understood that didn't prove I wasn't the SK. That was what most of the fighting on Day 2 was about in my opinion. Everyone was trying to go after me because they thought I was the SK, and I really couldn't defend myself because the SK theoretically could be me. I didn't agree with a lot of the attacks, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a chance they couldn't be right.
My main issue with Stewie's large amount of knowledge of the game has nothing to do with him being the SK to gain that knowledge. What I mean is, I understand that the SK doesn't just "get" this knowledge from being the SK.
What I am trying to point out is that Stewie is lurking, rarely posting so people cannot get good reads on him, but is following the game to such a degree that he notices patterns of behavior just as much as everyone else, perhaps even better. He continually shows up at the right place and the right time to be pivotal in all of the lynches.
Another point, since you agreed on it, the SK was on time with ALL of his kills except the latest one. You agreed with my theory Mirth that he sent them in in advance. If Stewie really is LA, then this would make perfect sense.
Yet during the entire time he has "Hid in Plain Sight", refusing to give his opinions on any other players, so he is never tied to anyone in case something happens, and is playing extremely carefully. This points to a survivor role in my opinion.
I never meant that I thought he knew who the mafia were, but it seems to me that he is keeping very good notes, yet is refusing to share them with the town. Some of those notes could have been very useful in Day 1 and Day 2.
Mirth: When I pointed to myself being on scum lynches, that was intended to try and prove I wasn't mafia. I understood that didn't prove I wasn't the SK. That was what most of the fighting on Day 2 was about in my opinion. Everyone was trying to go after me because they thought I was the SK, and I really couldn't defend myself because the SK theoretically could be me. I didn't agree with a lot of the attacks, but that doesn't mean there wasn't a chance they couldn't be right.
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MGM, I am voting, just not for who you apparently think I should be voting for. I realize that Stewie is a L-1, but my vote isn't going to be moving (except maybe to you), because I don't think the case against him is sufficient to merit a lynch.
If you want votes, you should probably be addressing Stewie and Heather.
If you want votes, you should probably be addressing Stewie and Heather.
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Even when you don't think he's scum, lynching him is better than a no lynch because of the resulting 1 in 3 chance of lynching the SK if we do actually lynch. The fact Stewie isn't voting himself is just icing on the cake. The SK wants the final day to be as hard as it can possibly be. He's contributing to that outcome.
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I'd like to hear more from Heather before I consider moving my vote (as I still have another 12 hours or so to consider that). I agree that a lynch is good, but I don't want to lynch someone who I don't really suspect (I will do it if it becomes necessary, but I don't want to).
Other than that, I have a feeling that I'll be the mostly likely night kill, and it will come down to you, Kinetic, and Heather. I will reiterate that I don't think Stewie is the SK, and am leaning toward thinking that Heather isn't.
Other than that, I have a feeling that I'll be the mostly likely night kill, and it will come down to you, Kinetic, and Heather. I will reiterate that I don't think Stewie is the SK, and am leaning toward thinking that Heather isn't.
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I was. I would like you to jump onto Stewie, but at least you are voting. Those two need a wakeup call.Mirth wrote:If you want votes, you should probably be addressing Stewie and Heather.
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My suspicions in case I'm lynched or NKed:
Stewie: Top suspect by far
MGM: Second on my list
Heather: Not really all that high, but possible.
Mirth: Really low, don't think she's the SK. Do think she's been stubbornly attacking me all game, but thats much more townie than anything else.
Stewie: Top suspect by far
MGM: Second on my list
Heather: Not really all that high, but possible.
Mirth: Really low, don't think she's the SK. Do think she's been stubbornly attacking me all game, but thats much more townie than anything else.
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I will vote before deadline:
i've had weird vibes from you from post one, but I thought it was just because you were talking a lot so we had a lot to go off of. If you really want me to vote, this is where I'll go. I simply don't feel strong at all about Stewie so I'm especally not going to hammer someone I don't even think is scummy just to get a lynch.
vote: Mgm
i've had weird vibes from you from post one, but I thought it was just because you were talking a lot so we had a lot to go off of. If you really want me to vote, this is where I'll go. I simply don't feel strong at all about Stewie so I'm especally not going to hammer someone I don't even think is scummy just to get a lynch.
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Ok, we got until 2PM Sunday to make a decision. Looks like the choice is between MGM and Stewie at tis moment.Pookylicious wrote:PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: 533 Reply with quote
Raffles is killed!
He was a Member of the Mafia!
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MGM bites the Dust
He was a townie!
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He was a townie!
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-.- There is no keep playing until we get a confirmed SK kill. However, I MUST say this immediately.
DO NOT VOTE!
I swear to god, if one of the townies quick votes on the last day and ends this game prematurely I will be very pissed.
We have a WEEK, we do not have to vote right away.
In other news, let us wait for the SK kill.
DO NOT VOTE!
I swear to god, if one of the townies quick votes on the last day and ends this game prematurely I will be very pissed.
We have a WEEK, we do not have to vote right away.
In other news, let us wait for the SK kill.
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I'm bolding votes by players still alive. Italics for daykills
3: CKD votes Heatherlou
4: MGM votes d3sisted
7: D3sisted votes MGM
(About a 24 hour window for first kill.)
13: CKD unvotes Heather, votes DeepSouth
14: MGM votes CKD
32: Deepsouth votes Raffles
40: CKD unvotes Deepsouth, votes Hazzel
50: Deepsouth unvotes Raffles
53: M4yhem votes me
57: CKD unvotes Hazzel
89: Hazzel votes MGM
90: MGM unvotes CKD
100: CKD votes MGM
138: Raffle votes MGM
139: Raffles unvotes MGM
1: Pooky announces game start on Aug 11, 8:01 am
2: Kinetic joke-votes Pooky
3: CKD votes Heatherlou
4: MGM votes d3sisted
6: I vote Kinetic
7: D3sisted votes MGM
8:Heather votes Stewie
9: Stewie votes Ninja/xyzzy
12: D3sisted daykilled on Aug 12, 9:52 am
(About a 24 hour window for first kill.)
13: CKD unvotes Heather, votes DeepSouth
14: MGM votes CKD
23: Kinetic votes MGM
30/31: I unvote Kinetic, vote MGM
32: Deepsouth votes Raffles
33: Heather unvotes Stewie, votes M4yhem
40: CKD unvotes Deepsouth, votes Hazzel
50: Deepsouth unvotes Raffles
53: M4yhem votes me
57: CKD unvotes Hazzel
89: Hazzel votes MGM
90: MGM unvotes CKD
100: CKD votes MGM
123: Stewie votes Hazzel
127: Kinetic votes Hazzel
138: Raffle votes MGM
139: Raffles unvotes MGM
150: M4yhem is daykilled on Aug 19, 10:14 pm
157: MGM votes Ninja/xyzzy
213: MGM votes Hazzel
214: Raffles votes Stewie
267: CKD unvotes MGM
281: Raffles unvotes Stewie
294: CKD votes Kinetic
300: MGM unvotes Hazzel, votes CKD
353: Raffles votes Hazzel
361: MGM votes Hazzel Hammervote on Sept 1, 4:23 am
(I am not on this bandwagon, but expressed intention to vote Hazzel)
379: Raffles votes Kinetic
390: MGM votes Raffles
446: MGM unvotes Raffles, votes Xyzzy
(Heather is not on this bandwagon)
(I will conjecture there is about a 9 hour window of oppurtunity for the kill to have been sent in here)
538: MGM votes Heather
574: MGM unvotes Heather, votes Stewie
(Kinetic is not on this bandwagon. There is no need to wait for MGM's role to be confirmed for the SK. I'm assuming the kill was not sent in because the SK a) did not see my vote before Pooky did and b) the SK did not expect me to hammar that quickly)
Now then I'm going to do a second post focusing on L-1 votes and windows of oppurtunity
157: MGM votes Ninja/xyzzy
190: I unvote MGM
199: Kinetic unvotes Hazzel
213: MGM votes Hazzel
214: Raffles votes Stewie
234: Kinetic votes Hazzel
244: Deepsouth is daykilled on Aug 26 9:46 pm
265: Heather votes Hazzel
267: CKD unvotes MGM
281: Raffles unvotes Stewie
294: CKD votes Kinetic
300: MGM unvotes Hazzel, votes CKD
301: I vote Kinetic
303: Kinetic unvotes, votes CKD
303: Kinetic unvotes, votes CKD
353: Raffles votes Hazzel
354: Kinetic unvotes CKD, votes Hazzel
361: MGM votes Hazzel Hammervote on Sept 1, 4:23 am
372: Hazzel is lynched and CKD is daykilled on Sept 1, 8:46 pm
(I am not on this bandwagon, but expressed intention to vote Hazzel)
374: I vote Kinetic
379: Raffles votes Kinetic
390: MGM votes Raffles
393: Kinetic votes Heather
408: I unvote Kinetic
420: I vote Kinetic
422: Heather votes Kinetic
423: I unvote Kinetic
446: MGM unvotes Raffles, votes Xyzzy
457: Kinetic unvotes Heather, votes Xyzzy
475: I vote Xyzzy
486: Stewie votes Xyzzy Hammer vote on Sept 7, 5:21 pm
486: Stewie votes Xyzzy Hammer vote on Sept 7, 5:21 pm
522: Xyzzy is lynched on Sept 9, 4:45 am
(Heather is not on this bandwagon)
533: Raffles is daykilled on Sept 9 1:06 pm
(I will conjecture there is about a 9 hour window of oppurtunity for the kill to have been sent in here)
538: MGM votes Heather
558: Kinetic votes Stewie
564: I vote Kinetic
574: MGM unvotes Heather, votes Stewie
585: Stewie votes MGM
586: Heather votes MGM
590: I vote MGM. This is a hammer on Sept 14, 7:50 pm.
(this is a really stupid move on my part. I need to learn how to read.586: Heather votes MGM
590: I vote MGM. This is a hammer on Sept 14, 7:50 pm.
592: MGM is lynched on Sept 15, 3:15 am
(Kinetic is not on this bandwagon. There is no need to wait for MGM's role to be confirmed for the SK. I'm assuming the kill was not sent in because the SK a) did not see my vote before Pooky did and b) the SK did not expect me to hammar that quickly)
Now then I'm going to do a second post focusing on L-1 votes and windows of oppurtunity
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L-1/hammer analysis for living players only
Day 1:
Heather's post 265 is an L-1 vote on Hazzel
Kinetic's post 354 is an L-1 vote on Hazzel
Day 2:
Heather puts Kinetic at L-1 with post 422
I put Xyzzy at L-1 with post 475
Stewie hammers Xyzzy with post 486
Day 3:
Heather puts MGM at L-1 with post 586
I hammer MGM with post 590
Windows of oppurtunity analysis with Raffles and MGM (since I think the daykills before Raffles were predecided, and I think that the SK didn't see my hammer vote on MGM before Pooky's post (meta-gaming style):
Xyzzy is lynched on Sept 9, 4:45 am
Raffles is daykilled on Sept 9, 1:06 pm
Pooky's only two posts for the day, so the window can't be made any smaller.
Stewie's first post on this day is at 11:35 pm, latest at 11:58 pm.
No posts for Heather on Sept 9. Post on Sept 10 citing loss of internet. Post before then on Sept 7.
Kinetic posted from 12:14 am to 11:11 pm pretty consistently with posts in the window of oppurtunity.
I posted between 6:36 am and 10:57 pm. Definately in window of oppurtunity
MGM is lynched on Sept 15, 3:15 am
Pooky posted between post 3:14 am and 5:18 am
Stewie posted on Sept 14, 5:58 pm (before my hammer) and at 11:19 (in another thread after my hammer).
Heather post on 6:14 pm Sept 14, and at 6:04 and 6:08 pm Sept 15.
Kinetic posted between 12:53 am and 5:04 am on Sept 15, with multiple posts after my hammer and before Pooky's lynch announcement. I hammered. Obviously had a chance to pm Pooky here.
One last bit of metagaming, back to D3sisted's daykill:
Pooky posted from 8:01 am Aug 11 to 7:51 pm Aug 11. She then posted the kill t 9:52 am Aug 12. I will assume here the kill came in after 7:51 pm Aug 11
Stewie posted between 12:32 pm Aug 11 and 3:31 pm Aug 12
Heather posted between 10:26 pm Aug 11 and 7:44 pm Aug 12
Kinetic posted between 8:50 am Aug 11 and 11:58 am Aug 12
I posted between 12:23 am Aug 11 and 12:49 pm Aug 12.
Now then, this metagaming means nothing on it's own. I'm just curious what all of your thoughts on it are (hopefully before the SK strikes).
Day 1:
Heather's post 265 is an L-1 vote on Hazzel
Kinetic's post 354 is an L-1 vote on Hazzel
Day 2:
Heather puts Kinetic at L-1 with post 422
I put Xyzzy at L-1 with post 475
Stewie hammers Xyzzy with post 486
Day 3:
Heather puts MGM at L-1 with post 586
I hammer MGM with post 590
Windows of oppurtunity analysis with Raffles and MGM (since I think the daykills before Raffles were predecided, and I think that the SK didn't see my hammer vote on MGM before Pooky's post (meta-gaming style):
Xyzzy is lynched on Sept 9, 4:45 am
Raffles is daykilled on Sept 9, 1:06 pm
Pooky's only two posts for the day, so the window can't be made any smaller.
Stewie's first post on this day is at 11:35 pm, latest at 11:58 pm.
No posts for Heather on Sept 9. Post on Sept 10 citing loss of internet. Post before then on Sept 7.
Kinetic posted from 12:14 am to 11:11 pm pretty consistently with posts in the window of oppurtunity.
I posted between 6:36 am and 10:57 pm. Definately in window of oppurtunity
MGM is lynched on Sept 15, 3:15 am
Pooky posted between post 3:14 am and 5:18 am
Stewie posted on Sept 14, 5:58 pm (before my hammer) and at 11:19 (in another thread after my hammer).
Heather post on 6:14 pm Sept 14, and at 6:04 and 6:08 pm Sept 15.
Kinetic posted between 12:53 am and 5:04 am on Sept 15, with multiple posts after my hammer and before Pooky's lynch announcement. I hammered. Obviously had a chance to pm Pooky here.
One last bit of metagaming, back to D3sisted's daykill:
Pooky posted from 8:01 am Aug 11 to 7:51 pm Aug 11. She then posted the kill t 9:52 am Aug 12. I will assume here the kill came in after 7:51 pm Aug 11
Stewie posted between 12:32 pm Aug 11 and 3:31 pm Aug 12
Heather posted between 10:26 pm Aug 11 and 7:44 pm Aug 12
Kinetic posted between 8:50 am Aug 11 and 11:58 am Aug 12
I posted between 12:23 am Aug 11 and 12:49 pm Aug 12.
Now then, this metagaming means nothing on it's own. I'm just curious what all of your thoughts on it are (hopefully before the SK strikes).