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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 4:07 am

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Plus, both town and scum can deathtunnel and I see Vonflare's Peace tunnel as kind of null. On the one hand, if he's town and thinks he has scum it's fine but he's doing nothing to convince anyone else of Peace scum. Sorry but saying he's scum with no reasons isn't going to work any better on me than when House did it. If he's scum, it's a perfect way to look like he's doing something and contributing when he's not doing anything at all that I would expect from a townie-that can be said of a few this game though. I did like Vonflare's D1 play but D2 it's kind of meh.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 4:39 am

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Town can win with jesters alive.

Do you understand the wincon of a jester?
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 4:55 am

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I was referring to the convo between House and Maruchan starting here that led me to believe we have to get rid of them. Am I wrong about that? I have never played a set-up like this and the mod did say town loses if a Lyncher is still alive (they wouldn't be fulfilling their wincon either if the lynchee isn't lynched) so yeah, I'm totally confused about this then I guess. I still don't think Beli is a Jester regardless of the answer to this question because he's not doing anything to TRY to get lynched.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 5:04 am

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Bad frog head!
UNVOTE: McMenno
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 6:08 am

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Vote Count 2.03


Belisarius(2):
SilverWolf, PeaceBringer
vonflare(2):
Belisarius, McMenno
PeaceBringer(1):
vonflare

Not Voting(7):
McMenno, Mikazuki, Drixx, snscompt1, Maruchan, Bins, Kaerutsune

With
11
alive, it's
7
to lynch and
6
to no lynch.


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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 6:11 am

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SilverWolf wrote:I was referring to the convo between House and Maruchan starting here that led me to believe we have to get rid of them. Am I wrong about that? I have never played a set-up like this and the mod did say town loses if a Lyncher is still alive (they wouldn't be fulfilling their wincon either if the lynchee isn't lynched) so yeah, I'm totally confused about this then I guess. I still don't think Beli is a Jester regardless of the answer to this question because he's not doing anything to TRY to get lynched.


jesters lose if they are alive when another faction fulfills their win condition, and do not stop the town from winning.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 6:18 am

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Well, if town can sill win regardless, I don't see what the big deal is with Jesters.
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 8:47 am

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Okay, so Maruchan claims that Mcmenno is town. Looks like a good time for a reads list.
Mcmenno- hardly making any sense, but has a supposed investigator claim of town. Nullish
maruchan- claimed investigator, for hardly any reason, as far as I can tell. Do, please tell me why, I wish to be as accurate as possible. However, another troubling thing: you claim, but somehow survive the night. Seems to me like most scum teams would try to get rid of any PRs, but they went for someone else, unless there's another killing roll, and you got protected. Things must be looked into.
Silverwolf- A-1 town. Making discussion, pushing to get things done. No problem with them, except for that several page fight, but I'm ignoring that.
Peacebringer- sometimes doesn't make much sense, but got better and helped in discussion. Seems frustrated. Null
vonflare- good D1 game, I wonder what happened to it. Blindly pushing for a peace lynch, while supplying no reasons. Scum-ish
Bins- said very little, as far as I can tell. But, town until proven scum. Please, say more. (I know, I'm such a hypocrite)
Drixx- also little, but I'm getting a town vibe from it. Leaning town
Mikazuki- talking, trying to get her vote right. Does not seem to want a mislynch. Leaning town
Belisarius- as always, you confuse me. Does not say much, but with a blind push on vonflare. Grr
Snscompt1- MIA? Unreadable, due to lack of text (hypocrite alarm going off)
And there is my reads list. If anyone wishes to correct anything I have, please do. Information is good for town.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:08 am

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Maruchan wrote:
if there is a protectorate role, be on my please <3

This could be why Maruchan wasn't targeted.
Maruchan wrote:So House was third, mcmenno is not scum. And I have 0 reads.

Inspectors should get a better result than this.

@Maruchan-What is McMenno?


We should all keep in mind that there is an inspection immune modifier that will give the result of "towny" to the inspector. That's why I'd like to know the exact result instead of not scum.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:13 am

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SilverWolf wrote:@Maruchan-What is McMenno?

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why does it matter ur essentially asking if he's a PR or VT
is this where I tell you to swipe right

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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:13 am

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i just don't want maruchan to give that info away
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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:14 am

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i guess he could say "not a towny, but something else town" but that might be the doc ur looking for and that wouldn't be good
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:15 am

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ribbit seems pretty town. nulltown. this is just a gutread.

mika seems town as well. i didnt sense any hesitation or fear from her when she was asked questions/when she posts her reads
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:18 am

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Ugh, I didn't think of it like that. I think if he was anything other than town, then Maruchan would of told us.

Scratch that Maruchan. Do not elaborate.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:33 am

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i'm getting townreads slowly but at a good pace


sns is jeanne? need more stuff from that slot
could actually go vonflare - not for the cult reasons
i'm not familiar with beli's play
peace isn't a bad choice either but i'm less confident
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:33 am

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scum in {von, beli, sns, drixx, peace}

i'll try to narrow those down soon
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 9:34 am

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two jesters would actually make me so mad btw

that would be hell for me if we jester lynched again
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 10:04 am

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vonflare wrote:
Belisarius wrote:Oh believe me, if I were a second jester, you'd know it by now ^^

Explain what's "weird" about voting a D1 scumread D2 given that it is now also an excellent way to test for the existence of a cult? If you've something better to go on I'd really quite like to hear it.



Vote peace, he's scum.

VOTE: vonflare I asked for a case on peace, if you believe he is so scum, and instead you jsut keep beating us over the head wit ha stick that says vote peace on it
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Wed May 27, 2015 10:17 am

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SilverWolf wrote:
Maruchan wrote:
if there is a protectorate role, be on my please <3

This could be why Maruchan wasn't targeted.
Maruchan wrote:So House was third, mcmenno is not scum. And I have 0 reads.

Inspectors should get a better result than this.

@Maruchan-What is McMenno?


We should all keep in mind that there is an inspection immune modifier that will give the result of "towny" to the inspector. That's why I'd like to know the exact result instead of not scum.

Really? There is no need for anyone other than myself to know this information, yet. Suffice to say that me releasing "not scum" to you means I could have gotten a PR or a vanilla towny report on him, and if i got a vanilla towny, you know there is a slim chance of him still being investigate immune serial killer. I am aware of the chance of this as well, should I ever get a Vanilla Town Result. Past this, there is no reason a town member needs to know the role of another town member. Scum want me to reveal my report, so that if i caught the doc, they can kill him, or if i caught the vig, they can kill him. etc. When we see two deaths in the same night we can start talk about any vanilal town reads i have and their odds of being an SK.

Until then, it is safest to leave a level of WIFOM for scum to wade through. At this point they have two confirmed townies, and it is in their best interest to think of this. if they think my wifom is to hide a pr in mcmenno, they can shoot mcmenno and if he is realyl a VT, he jsut took a bullet and saved a PR and did a Good Job!Townie act. If they decide I am trying to WIFOM them into thinking I have a VT card, and they avoid shooting McMenno, and i really know mcmenno is the doc, I jsut saved the doc, and have protection still.


As long as I play my results close to the vest, I limit the gambling power the scum have at who they need to shoot. And increase the odds they'll keep shooting people I haven't yet investigating. Just like they didn't shoot at me last night, because they aren't sure of the existence of a doc, and didn't want to risk doc saving me. If doc did save me, thank bro <3
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 12:56 am

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Well, that last post made me think Maruchan is being honest in his claim and that McMenno is most likely town. I feel pretty good about Bins, Mika as town (not super confident but good enough for now) and I like Kaerutsune's latest reads list for now. Vonflare's moved down and is no longer a townread, Peace could go either way with me, snscompt1 is posting elsewhere and not here which I really don't like at all, Drixx's lack of participation when he usually is more active and posts more content in games is a red flag too, Beli's concentration on cults that may or may not even exist and kind of bizarre posts could go either way. So yeah, I pretty much agree with Bins as far as where the scum are.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 1:10 am

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@SilverWolf - Check me out sitewide. Meta is a terrible thing when misused. I'm generally very active,
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If you want to condemn someone for being a lurksack, you should check their sitewide activity. If I were, for example, posting like a fiend in some other game and just ignoring this one, then you would have some reason to think something was up. In this case I'm simply trying to get my bearings again. I play this game a lot by gut and by keeping track of the games and catching things that don't make sense. It's really hard to catch up and have a feel for the context of things... way harder than I would have thought. I shall have to be a little less harsh on folks who have a site absence in the future.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 1:30 am

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I never go after people for V/LA or RL issues. It's mostly because I remember spectating that mini and saw your town play. That said, you aren't at the top of my list for scum. I kind of like your .
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 1:46 am

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Drixx wrote:Has anyone sat down and tried to start on setup spec? I've white boarded the possibilities as I see them, but I'm not sure it would be wise to share thoughts openly just yet. Scum obviously are going to have a leg up on figuring the spec out, especially if early flips help them narrow down the role categories which got either very few or a lot of rolls.

Someone already claimed Hated, which can be any of the following:
  • Hated Weak Cult Leader (Weak is a modifier that if they visit mafia they die, so this implies the cult could recruit scum)
  • Hated Townie (Looks like there could only be one of these no matter what)
  • Hated Survivor
  • Hated Serial Killer


P-Edit: The cult, if we have one {Only town and mafia are guaranteed stuff if there are zero rolls in their number range}, if a danger to both town and scum, I think. The cult wins if it can recruit enough people to have half of the people in the game +1 (rounded up I think since it says majority +1). The game setup says that the Lynchee doesn't know who he is and will get a Vanilla town PM.

P-Edit2: I see most of the answers were given already because Flames682 is on top of it!

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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 2:10 am

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Maruchan wrote:
Drixx wrote:Has anyone sat down and tried to start on setup spec? I've white boarded the possibilities as I see them, but I'm not sure it would be wise to share thoughts openly just yet. Scum obviously are going to have a leg up on figuring the spec out, especially if early flips help them narrow down the role categories which got either very few or a lot of rolls.

Someone already claimed Hated, which can be any of the following:
  • Hated Weak Cult Leader (Weak is a modifier that if they visit mafia they die, so this implies the cult could recruit scum)
  • Hated Townie (Looks like there could only be one of these no matter what)
  • Hated Survivor
  • Hated Serial Killer


P-Edit: The cult, if we have one {Only town and mafia are guaranteed stuff if there are zero rolls in their number range}, if a danger to both town and scum, I think. The cult wins if it can recruit enough people to have half of the people in the game +1 (rounded up I think since it says majority +1). The game setup says that the Lynchee doesn't know who he is and will get a Vanilla town PM.

P-Edit2: I see most of the answers were given already because Flames682 is on top of it!

Someone claimed hated?


that didnt happen.

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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Thu May 28, 2015 2:16 am

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That was totally me mixing up two ongoing games and I'd really rather not say anything more. I tried to make it clear earlier what had happened because there's a super strict rule about ongoing games. I'd
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rather not mess around with that rule at all. Any case regarding that slip is going to be ignored by me because I'd rather not try and be cute and play with that rule, especially when it says right on the rule post that one shouldn't try and dance around it.
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