Newbie 1816 (Game Over)

[Mulch]

i saw it more as an attempt to pocket doc

which is scummy

if you're scum you know whether there's a doc or not. we don't

if there is a doc, scum claiming doc is suicide

What the fuck is pocket doc?

[guyy]

like if you're scum, know doc exists, and trying to pocket whoever they are by telling them they're inno child when it's not

[Mulch]

like if you're scum, know doc exists, and trying to pocket whoever they are by telling them they're inno child when it's not

IF I was scum, they would be an inno child ffs



Anyway I realized the flawed logic, so why are you still voting me?

[guyy]

fine

UNVOTE:

[Mulch]

I feel like ASP is the way to go here, unless someone thinks it's RAya?

[JaeReed]

I wanna do a reread, will do tonight.

[Mulch]

I just lost a fucking game in the newbie queue when people voted me in LyLo, just lynch me now if your gonna do that, I don't think I can take the stress lol

[A Simple Plan]

In all fairness, the case against me is weak. I'm not gonna sit here and squirm, but I'll offer a few parting thoughts because it looks like this game got impatient after stalling day one to deadline.

1) the reason I didn't vote Llama is because I wasn't around. You'll notice I didn't post for the entirety of day 2, which was ended quite prematurely despite finding a decisively-scum player. Rays wasn't around until after hammer either. The argument that we didn't bus so we must be scum is invalid because of the quickness with which the entire day, much less the Lynch occurred. If that's your reason for pushing me, it's much more fair to say it's an activity-based lynch in its entirety. The case that I didn't push Llama, or that I moved my predecessor's vote off of him, isn't entirely invalid, but looking at the vote counts, the only two players/slots who never voted for Llama at some point during day one are Guyy and Raya. If we wanted to use early voting alone for our lynches, that's something to note. On a somewhat related note, it's typically how I function that I unvote with my first post upon replacement. Emphasis on that being NAI of me, but something to be aware of when using as an argument to push me.

2) I really don't like how Mulch has played, I pushed him as scum the whole game, but based on interaction with Llama and llama's flip, I'm willing to say town. Also agree with Mulch's 561 as described above.

3) remaining players from town to scum:

-Guyy: has genuinely been pro-town, has stuck to his guns for the most part. As much a good feeling about his posts as anything else, but still not conf by any means.
-Jae: would've been higher, but that Lolhammer was potentially a clever cover-up for ending D2 early to deprive town of as much discussion as possible. I don't care the flip, it was BAD.
-Raya: NGL, I liked 574 in theory. It feels like newb-town effort to explain reads and things. It also helps to say that a quick-hammer AGAIN would be bad. But it's not enough in my mind to convince me of anything.

VOTE: Raya

Also willing to look at a JaeReed wagon, surrounding that 'lolhammer' theory as mentioned above.

[JaeReed]

LOL so you think llama's push on me that nearly ended in my lynch was scum-scum? You wanna go there?

[A Simple Plan]

LOL so you think llama's push on me that nearly ended in my lynch was scum-scum? You wanna go there?

I think it was more likely scum-scum than a Guyy scum or Mulch scum at this point, yeah. It would also make sense of the Whemestar kill (see 527 when it appeared you'd be the next suspect on the list there, taking out a potential opponent with next to no repurcussion from the town for it. Are you my top pick for scum? Nah. Are you in the mix? Yup.

[Mulch]

VOTE: Raya

[guyy]

mulch what makes you believe asp

i don't see it yet

[Mulch]

mulch what makes you believe asp

i don't see it yet

Guyy one thing before I answer can I have a recent completed scum game?

[guyy]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=72556

[Mulch]

Whats the difference between your town and scum game?

[Mulch]

At this point I'm hard clearing jaereed for interactions.

I refuse to vote him and if he and me are alive at LyLo (we won't, one of us will be nightkilled), scum lose.

Right now it's between guyy, asp, and Raya.

I'm inclined without reading much to townread asp because he accused someone of w/w interactions while I think he would go for a more passive post as wolf. But I really need to reread.


586 from guyy pinged me but I don't know why.

[Raya36]

I'm a little confused as to why I'm being voted for. Asp, you say you like my 574 and you say it's a good thing that I said another quickhammer would be bad but then you say you're not convinced I'm town and vote me.

[guyy]

Whats the difference between your town and scum game?

uhhh ideally nothing? haha. at least in my head that's what i strive for

but i think as scum i tend to gravitate towards chaos and examining every possibility even including ones where i or my partner are scum, whereas as town i care less about perception and kinda do my own thing and focus on whatever i want

as town i'm generally much more confident stepping on toes, disagreeing with anything, and poking people to see what happens

i think my opinions shift much more readily as town

still need to find a chance and read through everything again before i'll be satisfied with hammer intent for anyone

[Nexus]

Votecount 3.1:

Raya36 (2)

- A Simple Plan, Mulch

Not voting (3)

- guyy, JaeReed, Raya36

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Deadline is in 10 days, at 6am BST on Thursday 14th September 2017 (expired on 2017-09-14 06:00:00)

[Mulch]

Hello newbies!

[Nexus]

JaeReed and A Simple Plan have been prodded

[A Simple Plan]

I'm a little confused as to why I'm being voted for. Asp, you say you like my 574 and you say it's a good thing that I said another quickhammer would be bad but then you say you're not convinced I'm town and vote me.

Everyone else is more likely town than you are. One good post =/= town.

[guyy]

prod dodge

sorry

i've been real life crazy busy

haven't had the chance to go through isos like i've wanted to

please bear with me

[Mulch]

Fwiw if I die I'm leaning guy scum if Raya isn't

[guyy]

had time to look through raya ISO right quick, will get to the other three later. don't want to draw any conclusions until i look at how likely it feels each one is scummy individually

At this point I'm starting to think Mulch is scum trying to distract town. I mean, he's done a good job if that's the case. How many pages has he kept the focus on him while not allowing anything actually productive to happen?

I've been tossing around the idea of Llama/Mulch and Jae/Mulch. I still need to look into which of the three I want to vote for the most right now though.

do you still feel this way?

what happened to shift from that perspective to thinking asp is the most likely now? that seems oddly convenient given the votes that were thrown around at the start of d3 (namely momentum against asp and not mulch)

like, it seems possible you're going with the convenient vote for the easiest and most likely mislynch and crafting views around it

flips since you expressed those scum picks:
-siv flipped cop
-wheme flipped VT
-llama flipped scum
-ginngie flipped VT

i'd think it'd make more sense if you still suspected mulch. mulch's behavior d1 is no less scummy than it was before, and is potentially moreso now with ginngie flipping town. town is not going to be afraid to keep pushing against mulch on this. scum might.

with this hindsight in mind, the following reads like a convenient way to explain you switching gears away from mulch because you can tell the momentum for mislynching him is no longer there (unlike d1)

Mulch (Eclipsed & Bhoysterous)
Eclipsed's first read was Llama seemed town but did not say so confidently. Scum town-reading partner but not comitting? Said Clockwork sounded like scum and backed this up in a later post agreeing with someone else. Still unconfident. Scumread SIV but not enough to vote. I posted a lot of thoughts on Mulch during my catchup. I found him pretty scummy for a few different reasons but I was also tossing around the idea that he was being more anti-town than scummy. He has been playing better than earlier now and I think I'm leaning more towards his past play being anti-town although I'm still definitely wary of this slot.