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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 8:17 am

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Mirth wrote:
Thesp wrote: Also, anyone believing Sierra due to lack of counterclaim is absurd. Seriously. Believe him for other reasons if you will, but believing him simply because no one else claimed vig (when it's a popular strategy to claim vig when you really do kill people) is terrible play.
Then tell us, oh wise mistress of Delphi, who killed Roffman.
Look, occluded non mafia good-folk. Isn't it odd for a town member to not even bother to look up the name of a claimed name, and associate it with the oracle of Delphi, when it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to the latter? Add to that the playful and mischievous tone, as if between two in the know, and you've got mafia scum.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 8:26 am

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Capricious wrote:Mod: Please inform us as to whether or not you can reveal how ooba died, thx.
you know what is written
Who the hell is "General Failure", and why is he reading my hard drive?
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 8:36 am

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I agree with Haschel that poisonous gas is more Joker's style, but I don't think the serving justice thing was cult like...I can't quite place it though. For a while I was toying with the idea that Zoneace abducted himself and then Seth was somehow hidden from outside the game...but that seems really far fetched...

I'm not sure the Joker is even in this game, honestly...maybe its flavour messing with our heads? Maybe its Thesp lying? Just like I don't think you're being honest about Manhunters. Awfully coincidental since I'm the
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Sierra, you make a good point about Capricious. And I'm still waiting to explain what his power has to do with my failed mindread.

Maybe Thesp isn't stupid (though he apparently didnt bother reading all of Sierras claim), but everyone slips up once in a while...
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Thesp wrote: Also, anyone believing Sierra due to lack of counterclaim is absurd. Seriously. Believe him for other reasons if you will, but believing him simply because no one else claimed vig (when it's a popular strategy to claim vig when you really do kill people) is terrible play.
Then tell us, oh wise mistress of Delphi, who killed Roffman.
Look, occluded non mafia good-folk. Isn't it odd for a town member to not even bother to look up the name of a claimed name, and associate it with the oracle of Delphi, when it has absolutely no connection whatsoever to the latter? Add to that the playful and mischievous tone, as if between two in the know, and you've got mafia scum.
I know Oracle is the former Batgirl, now holding court in a wheelchair and mentoring orphans. Sadly dripping sarcasm fails to transmit via the interwebs.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 9:28 am

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Mirth wrote:I agree with Haschel that poisonous gas is more Joker's style, but I don't think the serving justice thing was cult like...I can't quite place it though.
The original goal of the Manhunters was to keep order and justice in the universe. If somebody had been brainwashed into joining the Cult of the Manhunters, they would take on the same objectives.
Just like I don't think you're being honest about Manhunters. Awfully coincidental since I'm the
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As far as I can tell, the two are related only in that the Manhunter robots were named after the Manhunters of Mars. In fact, the Justice League TV show always referred to Martian Manhunter as "J'onn J'onzz" to avoid confusion.

I know Oracle is the former Batgirl, now holding court in a wheelchair and mentoring orphans. Sadly dripping sarcasm fails to transmit via the interwebs.
I got the joke, and even thought "Oh snap" to myself afterwards.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 10:35 am

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Mirth wrote: I know Oracle is the former Batgirl, now holding court in a wheelchair and mentoring orphans. Sadly dripping sarcasm fails to transmit via the interwebs.
As it were, we don't know whether you knew this beforehand or that you scurried and looked it up, admonishing your own stupidity. After all, 19 minutes is ample time to look up something on the "interwebs", no?

But, the still more interesting fact is that you claimed to have shapeshifted yourself and got no result. Does it make sense for the Martian Manhunter to "shift" his shape to mirror himself? Which of the abilities would you receive after shapeshifting yourself? You know what this is? It's a lame-ass excuse to not be accountable for night actions. See, had you allegedly shapeshifted any other player, you would be at a loss to explain why the supposed role you received differed from the role of person you shapeshifted. If you are town, via this, you could've proved yourself confirmed town. Why pass up an opportunity to confirm yourself? We all know the answer to this one.

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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 10:55 am

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Capricious wrote:
Mirth wrote: I know Oracle is the former Batgirl, now holding court in a wheelchair and mentoring orphans. Sadly dripping sarcasm fails to transmit via the interwebs.
As it were, we don't know whether you knew this beforehand or that you scurried and looked it up, admonishing your own stupidity. After all, 19 minutes is ample time to look up something on the "interwebs", no?

But, the still more interesting fact is that you claimed to have shapeshifted yourself and got no result. Does it make sense for the Martian Manhunter to "shift" his shape to mirror himself? Which of the abilities would you receive after shapeshifting yourself? You know what this is? It's a lame-ass excuse to not be accountable for night actions. See, had you allegedly shapeshifted any other player, you would be at a loss to explain why the supposed role you received differed from the role of person you shapeshifted. If you are town, via this, you could've proved yourself confirmed town. Why pass up an opportunity to confirm yourself? We all know the answer to this one.

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~Rolls eyes~ Think whatever you want, Capricious. You just failed to get my initial reference and decided to turn it in to a scumtell. I think you're getting desperate to latch on to anything now.

You also obviously did not read my previous posts. I did not get no result. I got no mod message. Which either means I failed to understand the ability or that it worked. And I did not send in "shapeshift: mirth" but "shapeshift." My PM did not give me reason to believe I could pick who I would shapeshift into. The other two actions specifically mentioned targetting other people. This one didn't. You automatically assumed that it was a "shapeshift:[insert player name here]" contingency, where I could steal the powers of a player in this game. The flavor, however, lead me to believe it was a randomized shapeshift, where I could get some superheroes powers, assuming it worked.

Your argument is also flawed here. Were I scum, I could have claimed I shapeshifted one of the recently dead players, since their abilities were already known to me, and town wouldn't know if I was lying or not. Or I could have claimed that I got gooed again. Both of which would have been a null tell. Even if I did claim I shifted to someone in this game still alive and the powers differed, you still would not be sure if I were lying or if I had hit lying scum. So your argument here does not hold at all. I again repeat, my flavor led me to believe it was a targetless ability, and I acted accordingly.
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 11:03 am

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Capricious: Me or Thesp?
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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 11:17 am

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No comment on my arguement with Capricious just now?
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 11:52 am

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I think it's suspicious that the mod didn't ask you for clarification or anything like that, but I also don't like how Capricious is bringing this up now when we've already discussed it and acts as if it were a new discovery.

Either one of you could be scum, but not both. Thesp is. Sierra is not. I am not. SL is the SK.

Thesp remains my vote for the day.
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 2:20 pm

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Vote Count:

Capricious (1) - Mirth
Mirth (1) - Capricious
Haschel Cedricson (1) - Thesp
Thesp (1) - Haschel Cedricson

With 6 alive, its 4 to lynch.
Who the hell is "General Failure", and why is he reading my hard drive?
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 4:07 pm

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Mr_Gnome_It_All wrote:
Vote Count:

Capricious (1) - Mirth
Mirth (1) - Capricious
Haschel Cedricson (1) - Thesp
Thesp (1) - Haschel Cedricson

With 6 alive, its 4 to lynch.
Singing Librarian, Sierra, vote for each other to make things symmetrical.*


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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 9:41 pm

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Capricious, attacking Mirth for her Delphi comment is pretty stupid, particularly since linguistically the word and the character name are clearly inspired by the Oracle of Delphi.
Haschel Cedricson wrote: I think it's suspicious that the mod didn't ask you for clarification or anything like that, but I also don't like how Capricious is bringing this up now when we've already discussed it and acts as if it were a new discovery.
I agree entirely. Each new post from Capricious confirms my belief that he is one of our scum, so it's time for me to come off the fence.

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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2008 11:34 pm

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Sorry, I didn't get to re-reading day 2 yet and I'm about to leave on a weekend trip. I'll have to make you guys wait until monday (possibly sunday night) for my vote.
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2008 2:19 am

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Singing Librarian wrote:Capricious, attacking Mirth for her Delphi comment is pretty stupid, particularly since linguistically the word and the character name are clearly inspired by the Oracle of Delphi.
Mirth is also just a huge nerd with way too much useless knowledge of Greek mythology that she references waaaaaaaay too much in regular conversation.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 6:17 am

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:
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Where in the world does this come from?
I love how you just presume this - A sign posted "Gone to serve justice. Good Bye." and a missing person sure sounds like something The Joker would do, and I can't seem to find any imaginable way that it's fitting for Rocket Red #7.
According to the wiki, the Manhunter androids "infiltrated and liberated many planets disguised as living beings and created a "Cult of the Manhunters" that trained others to be their minions." Since the original purpose of the Manhunters was to see justice done, it's not much of a stretch to assume that the Manhunter SK killed ZONEACE and Sethaniel when you already know that Rocket Red #7 is in the game.
When I first read this, I thought I would be searching for a Cult Leader. When I saw three kills on Day 1, I assumed Mafia, SK, and Vig. The emotionless nature of the notes seems, to me, to be suggestive of somebody who has been reprogrammed to be in a cult.

A sign and a missing person does not sound like something the Joker would do at all. The Joker would use an electric joybuzzer or a novelty sword-pen or that trademark poison that makes people die of laughter.
I disagree with your assessment in so, so many ways.
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Haschel, how do you explain Thesp knowing to claim such a role?
I think he guessed an uncommon role and got burned when it actually was in the game.
The more likely scenario is you thought a counter-claim would be the most likely way to lynch me.
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Thesp wrote:Good job confirming yourself as the SK. If I'm town, then my results must be right.
The latter does not follow the former.
Are you suggesting that he could think I'm town while I'm claiming to have role-based infromation that he's the SK (and he's not the SK)? That's absurd.

I cannot imagine why anyone but Haschel Cedricson or I should be the lynch for the day. (Obviously, I think I should not be the lynch for the day and it should be HC, but I understand it may not be as evident from the 3rd person). It's evident that either HC or I are mafia (as HC has pointed out), and I cannot imagine a compelling enough case on someone else that one of us should swing.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 7:14 am

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Are you suggesting that he could think I'm town while I'm claiming to have role-based infromation that he's the SK (and he's not the SK)?
Sorry, I misread what you said. I thought you were saying if he was the SK then you were town. However, SL DID say:
I think it's possible, given the level of power in the town, that the mafia have some sort of power role to mess with the three investigative roles' results.


Anyhoo,
I disagree with your assessment in so, so many ways.
Care to explain what these ways are? I think my assessment makes a lot more sense than assuming the Joker is in the game.
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Sat May 31, 2008 7:16 am

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EBWOP:
I cannot imagine why anyone but Haschel Cedricson or I should be the lynch for the day. (Obviously, I think I should not be the lynch for the day and it should be HC, but I understand it may not be as evident from the 3rd person). It's evident that either HC or I are mafia (as HC has pointed out), and I cannot imagine a compelling enough case on someone else that one of us should swing.
Replace my name with "Thesp" and I agree completely.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:01 am

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBWOP:
I cannot imagine why anyone but Haschel Cedricson or I should be the lynch for the day. (Obviously, I think I should not be the lynch for the day and it should be HC, but I understand it may not be as evident from the 3rd person). It's evident that either HC or I are mafia (as HC has pointed out), and I cannot imagine a compelling enough case on someone else that one of us should swing.
Replace my name with "Thesp" and I agree completely.
Or you're both mafia, strategically claiming the same role so that one of you gets lynched, the other is "confirmed" by having counterclaimed and thus coasting to endgame. (depending on probability. Since we have 3 killing roles, it is theoretically possible to them to wipe each other out.)

Claim wise, Thesps sounds more plausible, but I don't want to play the "lets outguess the mod" game here. I still think you're both lying and scum with Capricious.
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:23 am

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Haschel Cedricson wrote:Anyhoo,
I disagree with your assessment in so, so many ways.
Care to explain what these ways are? I think my assessment makes a lot more sense than assuming the Joker is in the game.
I can't imagine how a posted sign indicates "Martian Manhunter". Culting people away would be so antithetical to the concept of the game as revealed (and wouldn't allow for doc protection from a thematic perspective), whereas The Joker killing someone and mocking the do-gooders with such a sign would be right up his alley.
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:24 am

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EBWOP:
Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBWOP:
I cannot imagine why anyone but Haschel Cedricson or I should be the lynch for the day. (Obviously, I think I should not be the lynch for the day and it should be HC, but I understand it may not be as evident from the 3rd person). It's evident that either HC or I are mafia (as HC has pointed out), and I cannot imagine a compelling enough case on someone else that one of us should swing.
Replace my name with "Thesp" and I agree completely.
Replace my name with "Haschel Cedricson" and I agree completely.



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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:20 am

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Thesp wrote:I can't imagine how a posted sign indicates "Martian Manhunter".
Manhunter android, not Martian Manhunter.
Culting people away would be so antithetical to the concept of the game as revealed


Can you elaborate on this? I don't understand what you mean.
(and wouldn't allow for doc protection from a thematic perspective),
Sure it would. If Capricious is telling the truth, then doc protection works by making the target invisible. You can't cult people away if you can't find them.
whereas The Joker killing someone and mocking the do-gooders with such a sign would be right up his alley.
This still sounds like a stretch to me.

Anyhoo, I recall a game where the SK was a priest that sent people on a Crusade. Culting people away is hardly a new concept here. I'll try to find it.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:41 am

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EBWOP:
Haschel Cedricson wrote:Anyhoo, I recall a game where the SK was a priest that sent people on a Crusade. Culting people away is hardly a new concept here. I'll try to find it.
Search isn't helping me at all, but it was a GreenLiquid game where everybody had a post restriction.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:19 pm

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Hey, Sierra, you said you were going to talk...so I'm waiting for you to talk. Been a while since you said anything.
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:31 am

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Sorry about that. I'm having a busy week, but I managed to free some time finally.

I've reread everything upto this point, but didn't find anything more than what I stated in my previous post. That was enough though to get me to believe that Thesp is really who he says he is. HC has suprised me somewhat with his claim. I would think he's either trying to save his scummate SL from being lynched or speaking the truth. I don't think he would take such a chance as scum, especially since me and mostly everyone really except for Mirth was believing him to be cleared by ooba. So Haschel is probably also who he says he is. If we assume this, it becomes easier to speculate about the set-up.

We know there's a Joker. It's SL.
We know there's a RR#7. It has to be Mirth or Cap. Mirth claiming to have failed an action two nights in a row has been bugging me like crazy. I think she's faking it, and is really RR#7.

Now the question is: which one of them is mafia and which is SK? Are there any other mafia? If there is any other mafia, it's Cap. But a different set-up came to mind also. Possibly, there's no SK. They could both be mafia, and each have a kill at their disposal. A two man mafia group might seem underpowered, but not when they get two kills each night.

There could be some other possible set-ups, and if I'm wrong about Thesp and Haschel there could be tons of other possible set-ups. However, I've convinced myself that Thesp (more than HC) is speaking the truth, so SL should definitely be the lynch for today. I don't think SL is a SK. If he was, he would have admitted it after Thesp claimed. Most likely, he is mafia.

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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:04 am

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Argh. Your post hurts my head since you are obviously making a bunch of assumptions that have no basis. You think there's a joker because Thesp says so. Thesp is not confirmed and could be lying. You think there's a RR#7 because Haschel says so. Haschel is also not confirmed and could be lying. Don't you find it odd that they are the only 2 with names for the bad guys? And they claimed the same role? And they've been echoing each other pretty much all game until now? If you clear both of them automatically, you're left with me, Cap, and SL. By that logic one of us is the SK, and you, knowing full well we're in LYLO decide to vote the one of us most likely to be the SK.

You are being completely blind by giving both Thesp and Haschel a free pass and I urge you to reconsider them both as suspects. If you want to vig me tonight, go right ahead, but you'll just be ensuring a scum win. If you weren't confirmed by Roffman's death, I would be reconsidering my position that you're town right now because your play is blind.
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