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Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:17 am
by The Last Knight
I really like stk's mechanical strat. It was super popular but I don't think it comes from scum ever.
Chara also has good mechanical analysis around the potential Shinigami and that also sounds like a town thought.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:17 am
by The Last Knight
Wasn't* super popular
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:36 am
by the worst
In post 563, singletonking wrote:While you have done nothing townie as far as I can remember, I am actually gut town on you simply because I am very paranoid of my own reads.
I actually think there are some very tangible ways to read PP at this point in the game - could you talk me through a bit more of your reasoning?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 am
by Baezu
How do you read him worst?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 am
by the worst
I've spoken a little about it and mistrust STK's read on him so I'd prefer to go second if I may
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:38 am
by the worst
tw/baezu/chito/tlk is a good team.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:40 am
by the worst
I'd actually be more interested in someone trying to scumcase Baezu tbh. when you treat her earlier absence as nai (it was) I think her posting has been pretty clearly towny?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:40 am
by Baezu
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:42 am
by Baezu
Tw, is it true what someone was saying about a role being able to switch a pass for a fail which would make us lose?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:45 am
by the worst
awh alright because I like the sound of my own voice~~
I think PP engaging me on sub and helping me calibrate my reads better is net +town
that being said it's also kind of a "not scum with STK" read bc his stance on stk is either a decent false case or a very good pickup. I think it's a little surprising stk if town would have read that convo between PP and I, seen himself misrepped, and just kept on his jolly way.
having said all this PP hit me at an optimal point to pocket me (wolfy slot, but I'm capable of being super obvtown
) so it's a townlean with reservation.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:45 am
by the worst
In post 583, Baezu wrote:Tw, is it true what someone was saying about a role being able to switch a pass for a fail which would make us lose?
I'm the wrong player to ask mech questions ;^; brb
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:47 am
by the worst
In post 2, Morality wrote:SHINIGAMI
• You are separate from the Kira thread, you do not know them, but they know you. During either the Third or Fourth Task Force Mission Success/Fail phase, you may find out how many Succeed and Fails there are. Once per game, you may choose to switch a single one of them. You may do this by PM’ing the mod. You cannot change your own Success/Fail card.
• You will win if you complete one of the following:
- Kira is given a Death Note on the Fourth or Fifth Task Force Mission
- you successfully write L's name in the Death Note
- 3 Task Force Missions Failparate from the Kira thread, you do not know them, but they know you. During either the Third or Fourth Task Force Mission Success/Fail phase, you may find out how many Succeed and Fails there are. Once per game, you may choose to switch a single one of them. You may do this by PM’ing the mod. You cannot change your own Success/Fail card.• You will win if you complete one of the following: - Kira is given a Death Note on the Fourth or Fifth Task Force Mission- you successfully write L's name in the Death Note- 3 Task Force Missions Fail
This one yeeaaa
on reread he's not as informed as Rem which means he's not quite as deadly as I thought (insta-loss) but I guess scum could just claim on d3 and get him to use his ability on someone eouch
either way yeeeaaa we need an all town mission or we are in trouble
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:48 am
by Baezu
Bc the way I see it is if we have another fail, the death note can be given to someone to prevent a third fail, so town hadn’t lost but I could be missing something...
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:49 am
by Chara
In post 585, the worst wrote: In post 583, Baezu wrote:Tw, is it true what someone was saying about a role being able to switch a pass for a fail which would make us lose?
I'm the wrong player to ask mech questions ;^; brb
i'm the someone, and while i couldn't even keep the list of who was the holder next straight, i haven't seen anything that says that couldn't happen if we fail here.
i'd obviously prefer myself over Chito in this next team proposal, but i would also be extremely surprised if Chito actually proposed that, for the same reason i don't want them in it.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am
by Baezu
What makes you think Chito isn’t town?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am
by Chara
In post 586, the worst wrote:on reread he's not as informed as Rem which means he's not quite as deadly as I thought (insta-loss) but I guess scum could just claim on d3 and get him to use his ability on someone eouch
either way yeeeaaa we need an all town mission or we are in trouble
on my meaning, Ryuk doesn't need to know who the scum are for this to work. he can see the submitted success/fail cards, and switch one. if they're all successes, he can still switch it to a fail and we lose.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am
by Chara
*on my reading.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am
by the worst
What's got you worried about Chito?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:52 am
by Chara
because a 50% chance of being scum is too high, even if i scumread insomnia?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:52 am
by the worst
In post 590, Chara wrote: In post 586, the worst wrote:on reread he's not as informed as Rem which means he's not quite as deadly as I thought (insta-loss) but I guess scum could just claim on d3 and get him to use his ability on someone eouch
either way yeeeaaa we need an all town mission or we are in trouble
on my meaning, Ryuk doesn't need to know who the scum are for this to work. he can see the submitted success/fail cards, and switch one. if they're all successes, he can still switch it to a fail and we lose.
ahhh of course
man that's a powerful rand
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:53 am
by the worst
In post 593, Chara wrote:
because a 50% chance of being scum is too high, even if i scumread insomnia?
From the perspective of someone who knows 0 alignments on the failed mission this is tougher.
sorry.
How are your reads weighted atm?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:53 am
by Chara
In post 587, Baezu wrote:Bc the way I see it is if we have another fail, the death note can be given to someone to prevent a third fail, so town hadn’t lost but I could be missing something...
i think you're missing something. it doesn't matter who proposes the team, Ryuk can effect the third or fourth mission no matter what.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 am
by Baezu
So how does this factor into it?
• If Naomi Misora dies, you will also die. You will not be revealed.
• Once per game, you may choose the next player to become the Holder of the Death Note.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:55 am
by Baezu
The second part obviously
Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:56 am
by the worst
Still dangerous, but less so - if the holder is scumsiding we can just veto them. There is a town countering ability for that.