In post 85, Luca Blight wrote:I haven’t played Mafia for ages but I can’t ever remember seeing a specified townbloc - usually there comes a point where you naturally start trying to work with the people you strongly believe are Town - it’s rarely something that needs highlighting in of itself.
I mean, it's not that hard for town to give their thoughts on wagon. Scum benefit most from dodging this question so ur not really helping your case if ur town.
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:58 am
by Alisae
In post 159, Datisi wrote:You do know that most of the time, Town players don't purposefully mislynch?
oh u have no idea
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:59 am
by Alisae
In post 160, Emperor flippyNips wrote:I’m not buying the billy thing. He’s got a D1 pass from me. Rn it feels like Tchill is trying to take attention away from himself & nit pick on a newbie
I mean, it's not that hard for town to give their thoughts on wagon. Scum benefit most from dodging this question so ur not really helping your case if ur town.
Ok, but here's thing.
I don't know.
I genuinely have no idea what the fuck is happening this game. I can try to look around the wagon, but at that point it would've been too easy for scum to hop on given how shit my arguments were yesterday. And I think I don't want to risk scum later on using my reads as an argument or something, because I feel like whatever reads I give now they can be incredibly off base.
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:04 am
by Alisae
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).
This is still very much a work in progress, but my reads are something like this at the moment:
Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi
Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Looking over Datisi's ISO - it's full of game theory chat and passive questioning - this is where my slightly below null read originates from. The only real point of interest is 99 - Would scum do such a 'test'? Looking back at it, it felt a bit unnecessary of Datisi because Billy's answer to Klick's original question already provided the 'townslip'. I think I'm leaning towards this being an act from scum who are at a loss of what to do, so choose to do something that appears to be useful Town work, with the additional benefit of getting a Townie onside (which, if this scenario is accurate, would have been successful given Pilgrims TR of Datisi).
This is still very much a work in progress, but my reads are something like this at the moment:
Tchill
Klick
Pilgrim, Icon, Flippy,
Datisi
Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
40 - I agree with Icon that there is nothing particularly wrong with changing your RVS vote to another RVS vote - it's actually quite a usual thing in my experience. I've seen RVS' that last like three pages with random votes flying back and forth. I'm generally not a fan of RVS myself but I believe there can be bit and pieces learnt from it. Anyway, I'm not reading much into this as Klick was seemingly trying to create some real content, which is quite natural.
51 - This felt Town. I feel scum, whether sober or not, would be more likely to avoid drawing such attention to themselves here. Klick's grammar and language remains pretty much on point, so I doubt he could have been too intoxicated, but the fact he didn't misspell words etc in a way adds to its authenticity (I always cringe when I see 'drunken' posts where the player exaggerates their condition by writing a load of nonsense).
55 - Asks Billy what he thinks scum are talking about. It turns out (122) that Klick was aware that scum have no day chat. Klick follows up the question in 78 and then immediately unvotes Pilgrim following his response. He also doesn't immediately reveal (or try to take credit for) his test. This feels like a really natural progression.
82 - Talks of a townblock, including himself. That would be some pretty gutsy scum work right there.
He hasn't done as much in recent times, but I think I've seen enough to get a fairly solid Town read here.
In post 341, Datisi wrote:Alright, here's where I am right now: (most to least town)
Billy
- I feel like he's playing like classic Town!Billy. Plus, I think scum!Billy would've tried to pocket me (rather than downgrading his TR), especially as my lynch is starting to get more and more likely.
Klick
- Still having the same vibes from him as in the beginning.
A50
- Granted, we've been in the game together for only a short while, so this is subject to change, but he seems towny so far. Plus I can feel being confused about reads.
Tchill
- He feels genuine, at least enough for D1.
Icon
- I know posting gifs and fooling around is his style, but he seems to be almost pushing it.
Emperor
- I don't see why such activity couldn't be coming from scum who's purposefully trying to have such a playstyle.
Luca
- Their posts seem... fake? I can't explain it well, but I just feel their posts are so devoid of life, like they're cold and calculated. It could be just their playstyle, but it's giving me bad vibes.
Kop
- I mean, yeah.
While I'm fine with voting Kop here, they feel like low-hanging fruit, so I'm gonna VOTE: Luca
WOW
SOMEONE NOTICED
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
Only took about 14 pages
pedit @Luca: I don't have a problem with the content itself, as I said the tone/style is what threw me off.
pedit @Tchill:
Tchill13 wrote:If I'm assuming that
datisi and iconeum
are scum.
Tchill13 wrote:
Kop and icon
seem like the type of scum that would just want a lynch to get by, without necessarily playing for the endgame.
?
Do you have any thoughts on anything relevant I’ve said all game?
bruuuuuh
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:21 am
by Alisae
In post 587, Iconeum wrote:I'll just wait until you get to the good stuff
ok icon im pretty much caught up
what were you refering here that would make Luca not scum?
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:25 am
by Iconeum
I could literally post at least double this, all of which I townread due to sorting, looking for reads, reconsiderations, probing, etc. All solid town stuff.
In post 258, Luca Blight wrote:I don’t believe so - this is my first mafia game for ages.
I only ask cos you said something about my meta
Yes, sometimes I look at the meta of certain players that I feel conflicted about. I find it interesting that you’ve been so much more active in this game than most others you’ve been in. Has this been a conscious change in play style?
In post 224, Luca Blight wrote:Incidentally, Flippy's reaction to the same incident looked pretty genuine, which is why I've put him around the null level. I actually dislike such tests as it causes me to doubt myself; such reactions can look so effective, yet be so easily faked by a good player
Would you otherwise be SRing him?
pedit: strong desire to put him at L-1...
Yes, before I read back over that incident I was going to put Flippy next to you at the bottom, but the ‘townslip’ made me feel unsure of myself.
In post 54, Luca Blight wrote:So far getting positive vibes from Icon, Klick and Pilgrim. Somewhat negative vibe from Datisi.
care to expand a little bit with specifics? Cuz I honestly had no vibes at all from any of the posts I read so far (posts before this one I'm quoting)
I expanded on the Pilgrim vibes in 57. I felt positively about Icon early on mainly due to the fact he seemed to be posting without thinking too much (I’m aware some players can do this as scum, but it’s a half-decent starting point). The vibes about Klick were mainly due to the ‘drunken’ posting. Again, this could be a clever scum move but I felt it was more likely to come from a Townie.
In post 306, Luca Blight wrote:And in case you were wondering about somewhat negative early Datisi vibe, it was because, by comparison to Icon, she seemed rather stilted. She appeared to be accustomed to a similar opening style, and yet it felt like she was holding back a little.
