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UNVOTE: Skitter30

In post 574, GayBabyJailor wrote:

In post 563, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@GBJ - why didnt you freak out when Non-imh self-votes or freak out at the people townreading him?

because last game only everyone i thought was scum d1 ended up being town

@Guilty, once you told me that Blatant flipped town, this is what I thought might be going on. When I had my second game and all my scum reads had flipped town in game 1 I felt lost. So I dont see the difference that scum indicative. I find the increased cautiousness an evolution in play.

skit is tough as nails, what once read as widely townread innocent but clever/articulate girl is now an outright corrupt, tempered manipulative conartist(this is all in my head, praise, not an insult) she ain't breaking d1, no way no how
only way to nip at her is to undermine her IMO, and find her partner
while a little on the nose, whatevs, I'm convinced it's Kanna (rationale is they hit it off, and since skit got away with defending non, she got cocky and went all in with the mamaskit roleplay)
regardless, can't make a case against Kanna if scum won't come out to play when mamaskit goes away
so yeah, ~ Kanna ~ (in my mind) is far more clever than she lets on and knows to commit to her persona and not break under pressure(no lie, in a year or two, what with how quick on the uptake she is at emulating and incorporating different writing styles, wouldn't be surprised to see her as skit4.0)

anyhow, NONE of this is a case I can bring to the table with how logic driven this select group is, so yeah, best I can do is make a racket, hope it stays somewhere in the back of your minds, hope I'm right and Kanna flips red down the line(can't hide forever with this group) and let town paranoia lead to skit's death, town win

p-edit
by best, don't mean of what I'm capable of, rather of what I'm willing to do. this is a newbie game. only reason I even meddled is that as a betting man(it's a problem,help), assuming skit is red, my money is on her for the win(no offense guys)

ah, and I only voted on GBJ/myself to make it harder on Kanna to pick a side
clever girl didn't bite
not voting on GBJ again

yeah I really don't think Non Imh is scum

In post 578, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 574, GayBabyJailor wrote:

In post 563, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@GBJ - why didnt you freak out when Non-imh self-votes or freak out at the people townreading him?

because last game only everyone i thought was scum d1 ended up being town

@Guilty, once you told me that Blatant flipped town, this is what I thought might be going on. When I had my second game and all my scum reads had flipped town in game 1 I felt lost. So I dont see the difference that scum indicative. I find the increased cautiousness an evolution in play.

idk, I suppose this is possible. but wouldn't he still want to be questioning people to try to sort them? I can see why some confidence might decrease and be replaced with cautiousness but I don't think that necessarily has to translate to a more passive role in game-solving

In post 582, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 578, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 574, GayBabyJailor wrote:

In post 563, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@GBJ - why didnt you freak out when Non-imh self-votes or freak out at the people townreading him?

because last game only everyone i thought was scum d1 ended up being town

@Guilty, once you told me that Blatant flipped town, this is what I thought might be going on. When I had my second game and all my scum reads had flipped town in game 1 I felt lost. So I dont see the difference that scum indicative. I find the increased cautiousness an evolution in play.

idk, I suppose this is possible. but wouldn't he still want to be questioning people to try to sort them? I can see why some confidence might decrease and be replaced with cautiousness but I don't think that necessarily has to translate to a more passive role in game-solving

It did for me. I felt bit my second game, so I can sympathize. That's why I'm not scumreading that evolution in play. I get why someone else could see it differently.

In post 471, skitter30 wrote:Mena i dont entirely see what you're seeing in mapwolf, kanna, or non

Agree with this point.

In post 519, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 513, Menalque wrote:Idk, I think (non, map) would maybe make sense but then why would they jump on together

Because they're new? And because they can drive a wagon? I dont understand this theory that everyone plays optimally. I swear, my next scum game I'm gonna drive a bunch of town lynches with my partner and get meta cleared from associations.

Like have they talked about each other at all? I've seen non ask Lion (more like shade Lion a good deal), but I haven't seen him interact with any other slot in any depth, or at least it's not jumping out at me.

The reason I didn't vote Imh is because I don't really trust the people on his wagon. I don't think he would be a bad lynch, but I think there's a pretty good chance this is just bad town player. (Not that that should be used as an excuse to keep him alive)

In post 537, Kanna wrote:I think I want to go this way VOTE: Map Wolf

Right now, Map fits into too many of my possible scumpairs and I SR them pretty hard individually too. If anyone wants me to make a case on them, I can.

Feel free to make your case.

In post 584, Map Wolf wrote:

In post 471, skitter30 wrote:Mena i dont entirely see what you're seeing in mapwolf, kanna, or non

Agree with this point.

In post 519, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 513, Menalque wrote:Idk, I think (non, map) would maybe make sense but then why would they jump on together

Because they're new? And because they can drive a wagon? I dont understand this theory that everyone plays optimally. I swear, my next scum game I'm gonna drive a bunch of town lynches with my partner and get meta cleared from associations.

Like have they talked about each other at all? I've seen non ask Lion (more like shade Lion a good deal), but I haven't seen him interact with any other slot in any depth, or at least it's not jumping out at me.

The reason I didn't vote Imh is because I don't really trust the people on his wagon. I don't think he would be a bad lynch, but I think there's a pretty good chance this is just bad town player. (Not that that should be used as an excuse to keep him alive)

Who dont you trust on the wagon?

I will vote Non Imh if I need to, but I really don't think he is town, and so will stay on someone else for as long as possible. I feel that at least some people voting him are looking for a mislynch. I think it is likely that one of GayBabyJailor & Billy Pilgrim are scum. (Unless Non Imh is scum)

Don't trust the wagon because I don't trust you and GBJ. I sympathise more with the Menalque, since these posts form Non Imh have been atrocious and have not at all helped contribute to the gamestate.

Another option, to be fair, is to lynch Non Imh. If it is a mislynch, which I think it would be, then we can go for BP and GBJ. But I will place my vote on whoever I think is most likely scum.

@Map, they're playing dirty and I'm petty af
(assuming I'm right about everything)

VOTE: Kanna

In post 589, Non lmh wrote:@Map, they're playing dirty and I'm petty af
(assuming I'm right about everything)

VOTE: Kanna

I actually love this theory - like, I almost wish I was scum so I could take the credit. Unfortunately, it's wrong.

Anyways, Non is probably town. So is GBJ. Agree with Billy's #578.

Map Wolf case coming soon.

@Map Wolf Case

- Map Wolf has been coasting the entire game
- Map Wolf, what do you really think? And why?? Tell me why you aren't making this stuff up

- Votes are opportunistic + have weak reasoning


- This post

I will say the "seems town" pinged me weirdly, considering GBJ also did that whole unvote thing from Billy. Is it really enough to make a scumcase on the guy? Probably not. But I think it's good that we've noted it.

I will fully admit to coasting. I just am more into games the later they go. And I am not that good at making conclusions when I have no information regarding alignments or whose votes have been on correct or wrong wagons.

In post 587, Map Wolf wrote:I will vote Non Imh if I need to, but I really don't think he is town, and so will stay on someone else for as long as possible. I feel that at least some people voting him are looking for a mislynch. I think it is

highly

likely that one of GayBabyJailor & Billy Pilgrim are scum. (Unless Non Imh is scum)

One or both? Because most of the conversation has been about us as a team? Also, can you explain why I'm scum?

In post 593, Map Wolf wrote:I will fully admit to coasting. I just am more into games the later they go. And I am not that good at making conclusions when I have no information regarding alignments or whose votes have been on correct or wrong wagons.

This is an attitude on this site that needs to stop. Yes, we dont have alignment flips D1. Guess who rarely has correct alignment info throughout the game when voting? Town. You're gonna mislynch. On D1, you have wagons, you have reasoning, you have tone, you have tons of information. I'm getting sick of people basically asking for a pass on D1, because its killing the gamestate. I'm gonna start demanding policy lynches on it, because the more this shit starts happening scum is gonna start coasting with it and get to wait before they start playing.

Early push on Non Imh, demonstrating sorting mindset. Didn’t really like the reasoning if I’m being honest, but I don’t see why scum would take something so small, run with it, and carry it on. If he were scum, it’s something that could backfire easily and it could’ve alienated him from a lot of other slots. Hasn’t done a whole bunch since but the playstyle has remained pretty consistent and I still see flashes of the same style of questioning and hunting going on here.

Interesting style of openly defending another slot (Non Imh) during the early game, same thing they did with me later in the game toward Kanna. Reflecting on it now I don’t think that’s something scum would really concern themselves with doing. I’m kind of scared of this slot being a potential long con but I think it’s unlikely and something that would have to be revisited later.

Mmm. If you look through the ISO, you’ll see a lot of questioning, but not a lot of follow up. It’s sort of like an active style that’s still showing an underlying passive mindset, one where you’re prodding for information but at the same time not actually using the questioning positively or to progress the game. Just strikes me as odd. Post 186 is also a bit open and even if it’s against me, I’d rather a player just goes with one line of thinking, and then re-evaluate later, rather than be super passive about it and just list anything that COULD be possible.
Huh, it took me until Post 304 to really notice anything from this slot. This is needless paranoia and feels like an early attempt to discredit a push in his direction. Posts are kind of weird, over the top and defensive, which I don’t like… but I’m not really sure it’s fair for me to say they’re AI? I think the post I linked above here is worse than anything that followed it, imo. I think her recent reads and thoughts on Kanna/Skit are almost too against the general groove of the game for her to really be scum, though.
Map Wolf: A bit sheepy, from what I’ve seen. In early game, looks as though he tries to poke to see if anyone would follow up on a potential Guilty Lion lynch, and then does the same with Kanna by shading her for not voting after I had literally just done that myself. There’s a few instances with him where it feels like he has to be prompted into giving content via questioning and stuff, rather than taking initiative and playing his cards out.
Responded well to my pressure. I didn’t like how vague they were early game, but I can see it coming from newb!town while I think newb!scum probably wouldn’t interact much at all, and I feel like they would’ve been a lot more defensive once I started pushing on them. Skitter’s take about her acknowledging her playstyle potentially being perceived as suspicious and then Kanna still not changing it is something I find myself agreeing with. Also has a few moments of townie paranoia which I generally like.
Don’t like the Olaph vote for when he was about to get replaced in. It’s sort of like… making a vote that you assume will get questioned the least, since most of the other slots at that point in the game had produced at least some content that required reads to be made and a real reason to vote them up. This feels like the path of least resistance taken by GBJ and I don’t like it. Also randomly during post 199 just asks Billy for opinion on Kanna? Why? There are several others slots who would’ve been better to ask about this imo and would’ve gotten more valuable information from (Myself, Skitter, Mena, Map Wolf). The unvote on Billy who was at L-2 was weird as well. Seems a lot like a “don’t get me involved in this” kinda thing which I could see scum not wanting to be a part of, especially considering he’s smack bang in the middle of the wagon and it’s a rather conspicuous position for him to be in. Since I think Billy is more likely to be town, I could honestly see GBJ drawing attention to a possible “Billy/GBJ Team” as a red herring sorta thing, if GBJ was to get lynched. As I read through all this again, it’s almost TOO OBVIOUS for GBJ and Billy to be the team… right? Especially considering I have more suspicious characters lingering around than Billy atm.
Seems to have a sorting mindset, asks a lot of questions, has some concerns which I honestly agreed with in regards to Skitter/Kanna originally. He’s a bit overly reactive in terms of reads but I’m not sure that’s AI since I’ve seen plenty of town players behave similarly. It’s weird, because I see signs of GBJ defending him and interacting with him in manners which I don’t think are particularly good, but I don’t see BP as scum here. He’s active, he’s questioning, he’s generating reads and forcing readable content out of other slots. He’s not my strongest read, but I definitely don’t see him as scum here.

oops i didn't bold and separate maps paragraph, big sads

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{Non Imh}



The wagon paranoia surrounding GBJ gives me pause but the slot... just feels scummy.

In post 591, Kanna wrote:@Map Wolf Case

1. Regarding Uncrowned and Skitter, my posts referring to them were mostly just guesswork since I, and this needs to be understood, don't know alignments. As for GL, I honestly don't know his role, but kind of hope that he is town.

2. Honestly, looking back, I really don't know what I was thinking with 224. I think I was trying to go for something like this as something like a "I got you, scum!" But I genuinely was not trying to get a lynch wagon going.

3. For 344, I do feel that I felt a pressure due to the GL vote on me. Because yeah, I don't want a mislynch. Now I honestly should have written down why I felt BP was scum, (in general I should write more thoughts down) but me voting a wagon was intentional because I felt a pressure.

4.

Not sure on this but from my understanding, you find the Non Imh wagon suspicious and you are quite sure Non will flip town but you still want the lynch to go through?

No. What I am saying is that I'd prefer a Non Imh lynch instead of a no-lynch. (Correct me if there is a scenario where no-lynch is ever good)

5. Regarding 588, what I suggested is basically a super compromise option. Now to be fair, there are many flaws with the idea of planning for two lynches in a row, (I mean, I would've instantly lost 1965 if I did that) and honestly the more I think about it, the less that makes sense.

Also, what I am suggesting is that Non Imh would flip town. There is a chance he doesn't.