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Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:33 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 567, Zenith wrote:N1 I asked What's blank's flavor?
Filling in the blank with "everyone".
I bet this is not what JJH intended.
I believe he had to be raging while saw that question.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:47 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 567, Zenith wrote:Once per night, I can ask the mod a question, from a list of pre-scripted questions, choosing to fill in blank(s) with any single word I feel like using, with player names counting as 1 word.
Has the word be in English, or you can use a German word instead?

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:53 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 567, Zenith wrote:I can ask if blank is aligned with blank.
Is anyone aligned with neutrals?
Is (a) Townie/ Goon/ Mafia Scum aligned with Mafia?
I am talking about player's titles. Find a group of 3-4 players with the same title. You can clear all of them. Or narrow our lynch/ vig shooting a little.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:02 am
by Blatant Scum
By the way, there is a role blocker here.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:23 am
by wrong fish
I feel like we should claim, as we can give some insight and we are meant to die anyways.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:50 am
by Zenith
In post 573, gobbledygook wrote:My role is fairly complicated. It is a toolbox. I have a 1-shot commuter ability that I can use independent of stone. I did not use it last night in case a vig or cop used their power on me because i hammered town. If it had been a scum flip, i would have used my commuter ability. My role does have something sweet but that requires Mage level 3. The lower mage levels do have other niche-useful things though.
Well, you sort of fell into a trap, but I'm an E of my word and won't seek your lynch today because I can probably sort you tonight, and if you really are town we are likely to need all the help we can get.

I have serious doubt that you are town though, because the stronger you are the more unlikely it seems. Specially since there is a flipped scum with a role that seemed pretty meh.

So it would seem there are 2, well I guess 3 possibilities.
1. You aren't town.
2. We are facing some serious firepower from scum/potential 3rd party.
3. This game is very unbalanced.

I'm still pretty terrible with setup spec. Not because of an inability to recognize power level distribution, but due to being willfully ignorant of the pool of potential roles, because I enjoy a bit of surprise and learning the roles as I encounter them.

That said, if we remove options 1 and 3, what could we even be up against? It would have to be pretty insane right? I mean, is the dark brotherhood able to recruit new members or something?


In post 574, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 571, gobbledygook wrote:What makes you think I’m wooden? Would a wooden player hammer someone without a claim?
Does wooden mean mafia? Because then the answer to your second question is "yes."

Also, I do not agree with Zenith's request now that everything has transpired. I do not believe that flavor alone will be useful in sorting a player's alignment and could actually serve as a distraction.
Flavor, plus flips, plus my role seems potentially useful for setup spec, for reasons I pointed out above.
In post 576, Blatant Scum wrote:
In post 567, Zenith wrote:Once per night, I can ask the mod a question, from a list of pre-scripted questions, choosing to fill in blank(s) with any single word I feel like using, with player names counting as 1 word.
Has the word be in English, or you can use a German word instead?
Nothing specifically states the word has to be english. I considered the idea of using a word from another language, but I don't know enough about other languages to make use of this idea.
In post 577, Blatant Scum wrote:
In post 567, Zenith wrote:I can ask if blank is aligned with blank.
Is anyone aligned with neutrals?
Is (a) Townie/ Goon/ Mafia Scum aligned with Mafia?
I am talking about player's titles. Find a group of 3-4 players with the same title. You can clear all of them. Or narrow our lynch/ vig shooting a little.
Aligned with neutrals sounds good. Any idea how to ask that without an E?
I wonder if shortening Gobbles to Gobs could get around the E rule. I'll ask the mod if nicknames count.
Not entirely sure what you mean by shared titles here because asking if townie/goon/mafia scum is aligned with town seems pointless, but the thought of multiple clears sounds op.
In post 578, Blatant Scum wrote:By the way, there is a role blocker here.
I suppose if the role blocker isn't aligned with town we'll find that out soon. If scum wants to focus on me, just means rest of town is free to do whatever. Plus I'm not the vig, and thankfully I don't think the vig has claimed yet, so maybe scum will get shot again. At the end of day, I'll make my night action plans clear, to avoid wasted crossfire.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:54 am
by Blatant Scum
Talking about vigs.
@Eve, can you shoot without Thief Rune?
I can give you 1-shot BP, but only if we choose Warrior stone.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:55 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 580, Zenith wrote:Not entirely sure what you mean by shared titles here because asking if townie/goon/mafia scum is aligned with town seems pointless, but the thought of multiple clears sounds op.
Titles.
Under your name in every post is a title.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:55 am
by Blatant Scum
I am "Mafia Scum".
You are "Goon"
Dong is "Townie"

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:00 am
by wrong fish
No one wants to talk to me about claiming. I am disappoint.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:07 am
by wrong fish
In post 409, Zenith wrote:
In post 408, Sujimichi wrote:Why?
Reasons.

Just do it please.

I'll explain after.
If your reasoning is good then there isnt a reason for not disclosing it, yes? Especially if you say that you will tell us later. If you were conf town it would have been a different story but as it stands we will claim but not for you.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:10 am
by Zenith
@Sujimichi
I also find the redactions interesting, particularly the thief redaction.
But yea I'm not trying to argue that mod names alone like Sneak Tools, Localised Thieves Guild Jobs, Apocalypse, etc are scummy because of flavor. Hell as a Cthulhu oracle know firsthand that even if a mod name sounds evil, it's not AI.

However, looking at a mod description can give a rough idea of what kind of power we are looking at, which can be used for setup spec.

@Blatant Scum
Ok, I see what you mean by titles.
I'm not sure about multiple clears though. Let's say I ask if goons (and specify afterward that by goons I mean the title) are aligned with town. If some are and some aren't, what would the mod answer? Yes no? Hmm.. Although if they are all aligned together then I think it could work for multiple clears or guiltys.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:10 am
by wrong fish
In post 421, Zenith wrote:I'm telling you, if you don't comply with my request then you don't want to catch scum.
In post 422, Zenith wrote:In other words, if you want to catch scum, please comply with my request.
Also these dont bode well for your case.

Extreme AtE aside, this is just untrue. There are other ways to catch scum even if you are acting based on role and stopping discussion by forcing a mass roleclaim is at the very least indicative.

VOTE: Zenith

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:11 am
by wrong fish
Both of those posts

-Dong

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:11 am
by Zenith
In post 585, wrong fish wrote:
In post 409, Zenith wrote:
In post 408, Sujimichi wrote:Why?
Reasons.

Just do it please.

I'll explain after.
If your reasoning is good then there isnt a reason for not disclosing it, yes? Especially if you say that you will tell us later. If you were conf town it would have been a different story but as it stands we will claim but not for you.
Huh?

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:12 am
by wrong fish
Catching up, i havent read up to this point

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:16 am
by wrong fish
I dont have a problem with massclaiming. We're really usefull dragons.

What i do have a problem with us zeniths pushy and overly emotional tone that makes it sound like we have no choice but to massclaim. I think an agenda besides just hearing the roleclaims is present, though im not sure what yet.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:17 am
by Zenith
In post 590, wrong fish wrote:Catching up, i havent read up to this point
But then why/how did you already participate in the mass flavor claim if you didn't know about the mass flavor claim?
In post 552, wrong fish wrote:
In post 480, Zenith wrote:Still waiting for Dongfish
Really Useful [Redacted]

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:27 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 586, Zenith wrote: I'm not sure about multiple clears though. Let's say I ask if goons (and specify afterward that by goons I mean the title) are aligned with town. If some are and some aren't, what would the mod answer? Yes no? Hmm.. Although if they are all aligned together then I think it could work for multiple clears or guiltys.
Is (a) Goon aligned with Mafia?
No = all Goon are Town.
Yes = at least one Goon is Mafia.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:28 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 593, Blatant Scum wrote:
In post 586, Zenith wrote: I'm not sure about multiple clears though. Let's say I ask if goons (and specify afterward that by goons I mean the title) are aligned with town. If some are and some aren't, what would the mod answer? Yes no? Hmm.. Although if they are all aligned together then I think it could work for multiple clears or guiltys.
Is (a) Goon aligned with Mafia?
No = all Goon are Town/ Neutral.
Yes = at least one Goon is Mafia.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:34 am
by Blatant Scum
In post 567, Zenith wrote:I can also ask if there is a blank in the game.
I think that third-party is one word, right?
Even wiki has third-party written with the dash.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:08 am
by Zenith
In post 595, Blatant Scum wrote:
In post 567, Zenith wrote:I can also ask if there is a blank in the game.
I think that third-party is one word, right?
Even wiki has third-party written with the dash.
I don't know, but the mod just said no to using nicknames to circumvent the E rule.

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:25 am
by Blatant Scum
Then ask people to replace themselves with an alt not containing "E".

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:05 pm
by gobbledygook
In post 580, Zenith wrote:Well, you sort of fell into a trap, but I'm an E of my word and won't seek your lynch today because I can probably sort you tonight, and if you really are town we are likely to need all the help we can get.
What trap did I fall for?

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:06 pm
by gobbledygook
Zenith I think you should use your ability as a parity cop. Two birds one stone. Much more efficient.

Since you can’t use E “Can individual, occupying slot four, win with individual, occupying slot six?”