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Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:34 am**

In post 571, Wimpy wrote:man, I need to sit down and see what you two are arguing about

honestly i would... not recommend it. i can barely follow it. but by all means.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:40 am**

That push was one of the dumbest things ever

i'm actually pissed if you're town here

no joke.

no way you forget a fucking town read.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:41 am**

I'm literally not switching from you if I'm alive.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:43 am**

i really hate doing something like this.

i have legitimate memory issues and i always have. i will go through old games for examples if you need them. this isn't an AI thing and you can scumread me for it because it's entirely possible to you i'm scum and just forgot that i had said i was townreading you.
but i'd like you to be aware i could also have forgotten as town, and in this case did.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:45 am**

for the record i have, as scum, forgotten important things and made stupid mistakes from that.
though as scum i am usually much more careful about combing my own ISO to avoid that exact thing.

you're right that it was really stupid. ahaha.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:46 am**

It's not just that, but the fact you're not town reading Macabre...

And I've already explained it. The jester thing was obvious town slip. It's not even a problem with a memory, as that was a more recent thing. It was before you posted the 487 or what post it was where it said my town read was fading.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:48 am**

i thought you might have been joking about the jester thing, considering this is a normal. i didn't consider it AI.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:50 am**

In post 455, Chara wrote:
In post 447, insomnia wrote:All people on Luca wagon should be evaluated tomorrow.

If this is a jester then omegalul
assuming you're kidding, but this is a normal game.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:52 am**

Fuck I wanna town read you but I'm still pretty pissed.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:54 am**

and i am really embarrassed. i swear i'm not this awful at mafia as a whole.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:55 am**

You're more likely town than not but fuck me man. That was really confusing.

I'm out of energy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:56 am**

Back to lynching Alch I guess

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:03 am**

on the crow: i TL the slot for reasons unrelated to Frost. i'm unconvinced that Frost definitely wouldn't pick his scum partner for his random 100% TR read to start off the game, but if i had to choose it does seem less likely than picking a random townie.

i also found Wimpy's response to things (saying you aren't locked town in an annoyed way) to be more towny than not, because i find the likelihood of him choosing to buddy me there pretty low.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:08 am**

In post 532, Ame wrote:#476 doesn't come from town Chara.

Regarding PR, Chara is more likely to be so. Aarons "slip" likely wasn't
a slip. It was meant to cut things short and add credibility to the the idea that he wasn't scum with Chara which was the goal of his "defense" post against me (any attempt to further "spew" Chara).

Also lynching Chara gives us the chance to build a proper wagon. And a potential ML that Chara and Wimpy so desire.

In post 533, Ame wrote:I didn't complete the conclusion of why Aaron likely isn't a PR. Because his slip was likely intentional, his role likely wasn't worth fighting for.

In post 534, Egix96 wrote:
In post 529, Luca Blight wrote:I’d rather get the confscum out of the way in case he’s a PR.
Ohhh, I thought this meant "... in case {Chara is} a (town) PR" at first.

Yeah, why didn't Aaron make any effort to try and cover up the slip? Something does seem off about that. I can imagine scumPR!Aaron not giving up so easily.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chara

I'll take you up on this, Ame.

was Frost's lynch definitely a foregone conclusion, enough for him to fake a slip?

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:25 am**

@Ame give me a sanity check on Chara when you come back here, please.

I think it all makes sense if she forgot the read and all, especially knowing her early progression on me where she forgot what she town read me for and then stumbled upon a new post and remembered.

I don't see a scum agenda behind it, I don't think a wolf would push like that. It's too risky.

I still feel safe with alch, he's not towning it up.

What are your scum reads, ask me to sort someone for you if you have blanks on people

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:27 am**

In post 588, Chara wrote:enough for him to fake a slip?

why would somebody fake a slip?

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:44 am**

that was Ame's argument, Wimpy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:19 am**

insomnia: if you could tell me what you think of Wimpy i'd be interested.
also wondering where you're at in general, Wimpy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:10 am**

In post 537, Alchemist21 wrote:I don’t see why Aaron would intentionally slip instead of playing normally. It’s fine to not end the Day yet and talk things out but I’d rather lynch confscum before lynching someone else on a hunch.

I'm actually pretty surprised that it's being read as genuine. It's something that could have easily been played off as a joke, but there was not even an attempt to do so. And as Looker pointed out, the posts were made within a time frame indicative of pre-planned reaction. If it was a genuine slip, Aaron would have, at the very least, taken the time to consult his mates before throwing in the towel.

In post 588, Chara wrote:was Frost's lynch definitely a foregone conclusion, enough for him to fake a slip?

No, but I believe it was perceived that way by he and the team, especially because Aaron is unconfident in his scum abilities. Taken that into account with the fact that you've shown to be of the mind that wagon building/opposition is a vital asset to town (or more directly that D1 scum lynches lose games), I think it's quite probable that you made the strategic decision to end any further associations that could be made from his lynch.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:39 am**

In post 590, Wimpy wrote:
In post 588, Chara wrote:enough for him to fake a slip?
why would somebody fake a slip?

to gain some leverage against town?

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:49 am**

In post 589, insomnia wrote:@Ame give me a sanity check on Chara when you come back here, please.

I think Chara is a high-level scum player who thinks multiple steps ahead and is capable of slipping into the town mindset as if it were a sweater!

I think Chara felt safe posting this:

In post 476, Chara wrote:it's so strange how Frost being confirmed scum and insomnia's reaction to it has completely eroded the strong TR i had there.

and was confident in the arguments against your clearing people because this,

In post 457, insomnia wrote:Vigi shoot alch please, truuuuuust

Cop check JB / profii.

That’s it, speed lynch Aaron and set his soul free.

would not have led to (town) victory. It's an opinion that comes from an informed mindset because as town there's nothing bad about your analyses or the outline you presented. From the perspective of being ignorant of alch, JTB, and profii's alignments the outline seemed to have a good chance of netting at least 1 scum, and if not that, then at least of sorting the players that are currently most likely to be so. Knowing that you did not have the scum team in that group, however, Chara failed to see its sensibleness and felt confident in criticizing your strategy.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:52 am**

In post 595, Ame wrote:I think Chara is a high-level scum player who thinks multiple steps ahead and is capable of slipping into the town mindset as if it were a sweater!

i'm flattered, but this is absolutely not true. i don't play chess. my strength as scum is likeability and sticking to plays that are objectively "correct" as well as safe.

if you dislike self-meta (even with proof) that's absolutely fine, but the option is there. i know i could simply havw improved.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:57 am**

given Frost's apparent lack of confidence, i think giving up from that feels in character. it's really hard to pull a Flavor Leaf and come back from a PT slip.

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:25 pm**

In post 594, EeveeLution Army wrote:
In post 590, Wimpy wrote:
In post 588, Chara wrote:enough for him to fake a slip?
why would somebody fake a slip?
to gain some leverage against town?

I don’t understand but it’s fine. Not worth it

Posted: **Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:58 pm**

i'm thinking more about the assertion that i'm high-level and capable of putting myself into a town thought process.

i don't know how what's actually occurred in this game leads to that conclusion. town thought process, sure, though Ame's case also relies on me then

not

doing that and slipping into a scum thought process when deciding to discredit insomnia.

just... being called high-level scum has happened to me before. it's just normally it happens when we are in lategame and i've been a consensus TR for a while and players are wondering if i'm the deep scum.
it doesn't normally happen after the frankly embarrassing mess that was my calling insomnia scum.

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