I concur, because I put little stock in meta and slips. I am not sure if he's right, but obvtown with a confident read is a good place to put my vote to sort at least.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:44 pm
by FakeGod
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:32 pm
by Umlaut
In post 567, maxwell wrote:Umlaut's posting is alo very lousy overall, boring waffling on the inspection check accomplishes nothing, and he's really excessively fluffy.
Gonna want you to substantiate that "excessively fluffy" read, pal.
In post 568, username wrote:IF NOTSCIENCE KNEW- If notscience knew I was kuribo, and I strongly feel he did, he intentionally (cited in C) accused me of being angry (cited A) and "fake rage" (cited B) when I was neither. He knowingly (cited 4) used a well-proven means of derailing my game (cited 2b) to drag the thread into unreadable chaos (cited 2a) and then backed off when I called him out.
IF NOTSCIENCE DIDN'T KNOW- If notscience didn't know, he STILL isn't town. He basically chose what he thought would be an easy lynch to try and bait (cited C), into raging in the thread even though the slot was not raging. (cited A). When he found out who I was (cited D), he realized he wasn't going to get me lynched (cited 3).
I think notscience's own claim is that when he found out who you were that made the raging NAI, because it's something that kuribo would do in general. What makes you think that's an implausible read?
(I will say for the record that 264 and 275 both looked angry to me at the time I read them. You may think there was no anger to be read into them because you know how you actually felt when you wrote them, but most people are going to read something like "contempt from the very bowels of the most ragefilled hell" and infer that you're filled with rage.)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:57 pm
by Umlaut
In post 546, Datisi wrote:i think this situation with the PA claiming early reminds me of a normal where two town neighbors fakeclaimed masons - while on paper it sounded good (drawing in the nk, which they did do), in practice it created enough confusion/"blockage" (especially given there was an actual mason pair...) it ended up being anti-town in the long run
I think I recall a normal like that myself!
How does this remind you of that, though (assuming you're talking about Menalque's 'claim' here)? Did you think he intended to be taken seriously, and did you think he expected you to go along with it?
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:06 pm
by maxwell
In post 578, Umlaut wrote:Gonna want you to substantiate that "excessively fluffy" read, pal.
181/199/209/258/265/272/280/319/321/327/338/340/394 are basically useless, I didn't care for most of what you said in your bullet point list and overall ISO doesn't give an impression of someone actually scumhunting
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:12 pm
by Umlaut
Removing those posts you regard as useless (even though I don't agree on all of them) leaves me with 25 posts which puts me in the 50th percentile of posters, and that's counting everyone else's fluff while omitting mine. This is a completely bullshit reason for a scumread.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:18 pm
by Umlaut
I disagree that 319, 321, 327 are fluff, for the record; I was hoping to get a better read on Alisae from the answer to 319, and give others a better read on GuiltyLion with 327.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:20 pm
by maxwell
Like I said, I don't feel like most of those posts contain anything that look like someone trying to actually analyze the game - there's also a lot of setup spec in there that's fairly shitty as well.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:23 pm
by maxwell
I also don't think simply pointing to raw volume is an adequate self-defense.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:26 pm
by notscience
He’s going to power tunnel umlaut I don’t think you can reason with him but I appreciate it. As I have said, my main townread point was for him flying off the handle as he did.
I’m not happy how it came about in retrospect but I can’t really change the past. My current goal is to figure out someone with an actual chance to flip scum to put myself up against, and hope nk makes the right choice.
I’m gonna try to refocus either tonight or tomorrow.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:39 pm
by Titus
@umlaut, why are you defending notty while on his wagon?
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:54 pm
by Umlaut
In post 586, Titus wrote:@umlaut, why are you defending notty while on his wagon?
Because I'm interested in the possibility that I'm wrong? On reflection I think "because you're angry" is kind of a lame reason to scumread someone in the first place so I guess it doesn't matter that much but it's still a consideration.
My scumread of notscience is based on a combination of that read progression and my dislike of his claiming to disbelieve the PA claim and then, on questioning, saying he's not planning to do anything with that; if he actually believes it then he should think it's important enough to argue, and if he doesn't he shouldn't be shading him.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:59 pm
by maxwell
Okay, explain the scum motivation behind those posts.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:10 pm
by Umlaut
I don't know, I post things all the time as scum without a specific intent beyond producing content and being townread. I could make up a story where notscience is trying to accomplish something in particular but I don't think I need to do that to say this isn't a town play from him.
What even is your read on notscience? It's the only significant wagon in the game right now and you haven't weighed in on it.
I like those spicy reads.
In fact i don’t really like this slot. I think they’re trying to fake a "lolmeme" playstyle.
Vote Execute Hel
If Hel is who I believe she is (maybe someone can confirm this for me), lolmeme is NAI for her. That said I'm not feeling great about the slot either and it's hard to really put my finger on what's different about it. Can you try and say what exactly you find fake about the playstyle in this case?
@Hel
It would be helpful to get a readlist from you.
@GuiltyLion
Where did you go?
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:40 pm
by maxwell
In post 589, Umlaut wrote:I don't know, I post things all the time as scum without a specific intent beyond producing content and being townread. I could make up a story where notscience is trying to accomplish something in particular but I don't think I need to do that to say this isn't a town play from him.
What even is your read on notscience? It's the only significant wagon in the game right now and you haven't weighed in on it.
If you can't explain the motive then your case amounts to "he isn't aggressively pushing the PA claim", which is a ridiculous expectation. Could just as easily be overly-paranoid town.
I'm gonna say it: despite the evidence to the contrary, I'm not sold that provoking kuribo is a surefire scumtell. Independently, he seems fine so far but I'd want to see a little more weight behind his reads before I'd comfortably call him town.
In post 567, maxwell wrote:Umlaut's posting is alo very lousy overall, boring waffling on the inspection check accomplishes nothing, and he's really excessively fluffy.
Gonna want you to substantiate that "excessively fluffy" read, pal.
In post 568, username wrote:IF NOTSCIENCE KNEW- If notscience knew I was kuribo, and I strongly feel he did, he intentionally (cited in C) accused me of being angry (cited A) and "fake rage" (cited B) when I was neither. He knowingly (cited 4) used a well-proven means of derailing my game (cited 2b) to drag the thread into unreadable chaos (cited 2a) and then backed off when I called him out.
IF NOTSCIENCE DIDN'T KNOW- If notscience didn't know, he STILL isn't town. He basically chose what he thought would be an easy lynch to try and bait (cited C), into raging in the thread even though the slot was not raging. (cited A). When he found out who I was (cited D), he realized he wasn't going to get me lynched (cited 3).
I think notscience's own claim is that when he found out who you were that made the raging NAI, because it's something that kuribo would do in general. What makes you think that's an implausible read?
(I will say for the record that 264 and 275 both looked angry to me at the time I read them. You may think there was no anger to be read into them because you know how you actually felt when you wrote them, but most people are going to read something like "contempt from the very bowels of the most ragefilled hell" and infer that you're filled with rage.)
1. Because there wasn't any raging until notsci started his shit. And not only that, he can give me all the excuses he wants about "oh this is why I backed off." Scum lie all the time dude. And he's not even playing it as NAI-- read his next few posts, he starts HARD TOWNREADING ME. He didn't take it as not alignment indicative, he used it as an opportunity to try and do a 180.
2. Bowels of ragefilled hell we a direct hint about my identity, not some rambling shitshow of fury. I refuse to believe anyone in good faith took it that way.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:48 pm
by username
In post 591, maxwell wrote:I'm not sold that provoking kuribo is a surefire scumtell.
My experience in literally dozens of games begs to differ
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:49 pm
by username
Let me reiterate, whether notsci knew who I was or not is immaterial to his alignment-- there is absolutely NOT any town reason to try and provoke someone into a rage just "to get them lynched." Again, his words. Not mine.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:09 pm
by maxwell
Okay, I admit it's a bit weird he voted you in the same post he townread me for...saying I townread you, but...I don't know. It just doesn't
feel
right.
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:38 pm
by Alisae
ya i don't feel like playing mafia today i'll play tomorrow
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:45 pm
by Menalque
Popping in for two things:
(1) VOTE: notscience
(2) datisi, how come you didn’t get pissed with GL this game?
In post 546, Datisi wrote:i think this situation with the PA claiming early reminds me of a normal where two town neighbors fakeclaimed masons - while on paper it sounded good (drawing in the nk, which they did do), in practice it created enough confusion/"blockage" (especially given there was an actual mason pair...) it ended up being anti-town in the long run
I think I recall a normal like that myself!
How does this remind you of that, though (assuming you're talking about Menalque's 'claim' here)? Did you think he intended to be taken seriously, and did you think he expected you to go along with it?
wrong assumption, i'm talking about nk15's claim. sounds good on paper, we can't accidentally run up the PA or execute the TD. at the time of writing that, i think i was reading titus's post that said the claim will get in the way of natural wagon formation/executions (or something along those lines), and i think it holds true somewhat even with the New And Improved plan.
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In post 597, Menalque wrote:datisi, how come you didn’t get pissed with GL this game?
he's not here at the moment. even if i was gonna get pissed at him (which i can't tell right now), i don't tend to get angry/attack someone when they're not here (also, do i really get angry
that
fast...?)
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will look into the notscience stuff when i get more mental energy for it
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 1:33 am
by NorwegianboyEE
In post 590, Umlaut wrote:Can you try and say what exactly you find fake about the playstyle in this case?
They’re the scummy kind of lolmeme where they make a bunch of fluff posts to compensate for something. (Which is, rolling scum and not being able to properly replicate town playstyle.)