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In post 569, Hectic wrote:-still kidding around or serious about his Elements-Chara read.

It's a guess.

It'd be funny if it was right.

If we're going fight I don't think it's that important to kill the Chara? Doesn't it just commit suicide on D1 anyway.

In post 570, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 545, Tayl0r Swift wrote:

In post 537, CantHateAPuppy wrote:Also I think taylor still talking spares is null, maybe she's just stubborn? There are a few players I'd like to see reads from more than setup spec (looking at you pooky ) and you're maybe tunneling on them tbh?

in case it wasnt clear, i was advocating that we fight

Okay, so who--

In post 546, Tanner wrote: ok, who do you want to fight?

In post 549, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my lame take is that lavender is scummy for lurking. my spicy take is that puppy might be a good candidate to fight.

I believe some other people (cat) have been considering Puppy recently, so maybe your reasons are similar to theirs. but i'll ask anyway.

Are you interested in explaining more details of why you think Puppy is a good fight, or at least perhaps voting for Puppy?

Another reminder for myself to actually read thru puppys posts

you absolutely have to read through my posts, they're the most important ones! i have a 100% catch-scum find-town winrate in this game rn. (don't bother reading if you're scum though)

more seriously, do you have a case on taylor? i see your vote there but you said earlier you were undecided and i'm wondering if you've changed. also would you like to join my townbloc? offer valid through the next 2 minutes

In post 571, catboi wrote:I see pooky has changed his tune and started spouting BS when he finally faced real pressure, who could have seen that coming? (me)

just lol

i flip town, you flip tomm ok?

In post 565, Morning Tweet wrote:

In post 543, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 118, Elements wrote:one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

btw this post is why i think elements is chara.

he very conveniently puts himself in the middle of the order - he can't be last because he'd die on D3 - so it's a sneaky middle of the pack insert - he doesn't put himself first because he's a very sneaky chara.

This is like conspiracy theory level reasoning in my opinion

NotChara Elements would like, need to convince us that he's towny somehow. Simply asking to be heavened is a terrible strategy.

If he put himself second with the purpose of subliminally suggesting we spare him second, that means he actually believes that saying "one of them should be me" gives him a greater chance of being heavened or somehow helps him get to heaven. doesnt really make that much sense to me

ok but do you see anybody else even trying to get heaven'd?

In post 573, CantHateAPuppy wrote:no, it's a fair question because hectic was talking about sparing but hadn't suggested anyone he'd wanted to spare. it's the same idea chara used to scumread elements that i sheeped onto. (no offense but did you actually read my posts lol)

I guess that's fair. I had kinda taken it more as humoring him in an even-handed way rather than asking him in an attempt to evaluate him but I guess I was wrong! Does it make elements scummy? Idk if he's trying to be cheap or just thinking on a level beyond us.

What I do know is the exchange between you two still make me laugh out loud.

In post 577, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 571, catboi wrote:I see pooky has changed his tune and started spouting BS when he finally faced real pressure, who could have seen that coming? (me)

just lol

i flip town, you flip tomm ok?

Sure but you won't~ ω(=＾・＾=)ω

done accepted

In post 579, catboi wrote:

In post 573, CantHateAPuppy wrote:no, it's a fair question because hectic was talking about sparing but hadn't suggested anyone he'd wanted to spare. it's the same idea chara used to scumread elements that i sheeped onto. (no offense but did you actually read my posts lol)

I guess that's fair. I had kinda taken it more as humoring him in an even-handed way rather than asking him in an attempt to evaluate him but I guess I was wrong! Does it make elements scummy? Idk if he's trying to be cheap or just thinking on a level beyond us.

What I do know is the exchange between you two still make me laugh out loud.

lol

my style is to ask questions and try to do it in a neutral way, because i like seeing how people respond when you don't cue them exactly how you want them to respond. like, if you warn someone "im probing you" before you probe them you get a different response than if you don't. fyi. i think some people misread me when i do this

also i wanted hectic to elaborate more than he did. i still feel like he shoudl feel townier than he does, so i'm kind of null on the slot. (maybe it's just the posting gimmick? i admit the pictures do get me to at least read what he says)

Sorry things popped up, I'll read up tomorrow

In post 571, catboi wrote:I see pooky has changed his tune and started spouting BS when he finally faced real pressure, who could have seen that coming? (me)

Could you expand on this post?

What exactly did I post that you consider to be "BS"?

In post 575, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 569, Hectic wrote:-still kidding around or serious about his Elements-Chara read.

It's a guess.

It'd be funny if it was right.

If we're going fight I don't think it's that important to kill the Chara? Doesn't it just commit suicide on D1 anyway.

if we kill the Chara instead of a townie on day 1, then on day 5 the alignments of every living player are publicly flipped.

Not Chara's venge means we do need to eliminate another scum before then, though.

someone asked what my read on Hectic was the last time i checked the thread: it's a hesitant TR. but i believe i can read him better than that.

In post 586, Chara wrote:Not Chara's venge means we do need to eliminate another scum before then, though.

someone asked what my read on Hectic was the last time i checked the thread: it's a hesitant TR. but i believe i can read him better than that.

I think this was me. Or if it wasn't, it's something I'd like an answer to. Have you played a lot of games with hectic?

Also, where's redtea? Something about questions for me?

In post 585, Chara wrote:if we kill the Chara instead of a townie on day 1, then on day 5 the alignments of every living player are publicly flipped.

so as long as we kill chara and a mafia we will autowin on d5?

yes, but the Not Chara kill needs to be today. unlikely to happen but good to shoot for.

Puppy, i've only played two games with Hectic, one town and one scum. it's not enough for proper meta, but the games were significant enough i feel i've learned enough about him as a player to at least be able to read him better than someone i know nothing of.

my soul read on hectic has been right like 100% of the time

polka is hectic scum

I dunno

he hasn't done enough yet for me to use my soul read yet.

I'm worried he might be avoiding me :>

In post 542, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 523, redtea wrote:unfortunately catboi is too town for that

I don't believe it's possible for an experienced player to be "too-town" unless they like single-handedly are responsible for getting rid of like nearly the entire scum-team or whatever.

let me put it this way:
catboi has done nothing sus this whole game that I've seen, and any association-based reads would be formed by negative space, making them not very strong. Plausible, , but not strong.

pooky has come back swinging goddamn


#572 It weirds me out that you have nothing better than a 'lazy gut read' on Prism. One of the most active posters with the most content.
The precedent #531 to this post does make it less maf-y but I still don't like it.

#563 I- I don't know if having 'unique reads' in the block is. Is a reason to tr me?
Cause like, I suppose if you ally with that many people, and you find them all explicitly town- like, one should know there's probably maf among them, so in that way, I could see having 'unique reads' translating to 'having people they're comfortable dealing with over a bunch of hard town-reads/leans which may or may not be influenced by the fact they play better'. But I don't know if that's what you were feeling there? Not to mention I would absolutely have both of my hard trs in there.
Maybe it's just that I personally get suspicious when there's 'one of everything' within a group, so it's not something I'd gut-town over. Idk.
Whatever, I'm supposed to be trusting you for now, anyway.

Also, does Elements's linked posts not show a very deliberate progression from Puppy?
verifying genocide is better -> confirms it is better -> mentions scenarios where 1-3 could be better (as did catboi) but continues with geno -> "wants sparing to work", but concedes that sparing for the wouldn't work out (which leaves open to possibility for 1-3) -> humours hectic/pooky -> advocates 4-spare.
In other words G->G->G/N->N->N/P->P. Like that's a progression. [G=genocide, N=neutral, P=pacifism]

In post 549, Tayl0r Swift wrote:my lame take is that lavender is scummy for lurking. my spicy take is that puppy might be a good candidate to fight.

I can't say I like the fact that you and Elements are the only ones other than me getting tricksy vibes from the puppy but. What are your reasons?

lol @puppy no questions just wanted you to make the exact posts you ended up doing

In post 594, redtea wrote:catboi has done nothing sus this whole game that I've seen, and any association-based reads would be formed by negative space, making them not very strong. Plausible, technically, but not strong.

isn't the whole point of being mafia to not do anything suspicious?

ugh, okay. it's already way past 3am here and i'm pretty tired and this game is uninspiring, so. i was hoping that elements would be back to elaborate on his reads or that lavender would be back to do since those are the two things that interest me the most at the moment but alas.

In post 547, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 546, Tanner wrote:i mean, define productive. imo getting people onto the highest EV path is productive. getting everyone to start talking reads is productive, because i will have a very hard time caring about this game if there's 3 people ~doing nothing~. am i succeeding in what i'm doing? debateable.

you know it probably would've been way easier to get AI-reads on the scum team if we had at least pretended to be down with the 4-spare strategy for a few days to give the incentive for scum to try to get a chara-spare win rather than just being like hell no there's no way we r giving chara a chance to win early.

is that what you were doing?

i'm seeing people starting to get suspicious of puppy and at some point i did start wondering if he's been pocketing me and if he starts looking like a plausible day one fight i will look into it.

my Spicy Hot Take(tm) of the night is that lavender (confidering how difficult they seem to be to wagon) is chara who's trying to leave out the fewest associates possible for after they flip. this may or may not be the sleep deprevation mixed with unhealthy tunnelling speaking. i'll decide in the morning.
HURT: lavender

i swear i will give this more attention (or like, a proper readthrough of ISOS or something) once i get some sleep

am probably around for the next ~half an hour if someone needs me

No it wasn't what I was doing - I didn't think that far ahead - I wanted to go the spare route because it felt like something pretty cool to do.

But thinking more about how a Chara and its team would be thinking about the game-state and the fact that Chara dies on D1 on a town-flip - I thought the scum chara and its team would be distanced pretty hard or no interaction at all since the thing they know if town goes kill-path and hits a townie, Chara flips. Hence one way we could've baited some kind of interaction would be to make them think we were actually going spare.

Anyway that boat has sailed, let's get some activity and settle on a hurt candidate since that's what everyone wants to do.

If anyone wants me flipped today I am here all night to answer any questions about my play so far they might have and address their suspicions.

In post 596, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 594, redtea wrote:catboi has done nothing sus this whole game that I've seen, and any association-based reads would be formed by negative space, making them not very strong. Plausible, technically, but not strong.

isn't the whole point of being mafia to not do anything suspicious?

a wiseguy eh
can I pull a catboi read from you?