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I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

In post 568, Hopkirk wrote:You think scum Ydrasse?? ?

not necessarily, so much as the thought did cross my mind while i read the following post that if she's scum she's unhappy that there's so many people being townread for being lighthearted, as she puts it

In post 360, Ydrasse wrote:i don't see it as saying much this early on though? in general i think that a lot of people here are probably capable of that + that sort of lightheartedness isn't going to do more than maybe give us like, the tiniest of townreads on a person for being a bit more carefree

~

In post 568, Hopkirk wrote:You both light pushed each other then quickly backed off in an eh manner. I'll quote when I've read the next page.

as i continued to speak with her, i realized that what i took initially to be a deliberate attempt to misunderstand flea was more a function of how she processes things that are written in a forum (as she misunderstood the connotation of something that i wrote a few posts down too)
and that i was told by multiple people that being defensive wasn't ai for her
and the way she insisted i read her in death curse

+ this afternoon i realized i probably know who she is and none of that is ai for her if i'm right

In post 569, Hopkirk wrote:Yeah you'e putting a whole lot of words in my mouth Skitter30. You're responding like I hard scumread you here Skitter30.

i mean, what word would you like me to use instead? i'm not really sure how you can extrapolate from what i've written that i think you hard scumread me just now
i do think that you thought that there's something going on btwn me/gloria, and i don't fully follow your reasoning, which is why i wanted to talk to u abt it

r u saying that u think me/gloria have partner equity?

In post 570, Hopkirk wrote:Oh, nevermind the above post.

to clarify this particular bit was about your me/dunn speculation, not about me/gloria. idk what this post means in that context

In post 570, Hopkirk wrote:It feels like you're pushing Skitter30 at me here while trying to stand back yourself Gloria. It feels more pushy than questiony.

ehhhhhh this is a stretch imo?

how are you reading me and gloria rn ?

In post 573, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't think she makes me promise to be town to her if she is scum

i'm gonna be honest when i woke up this morning there were like 8 pages of meming and i skimmed a lot of it so i don't even remember that happening, or most of what she wrote
but u feel p confident on that ^?

In post 575, Hopkirk wrote:I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

In post 577, skitter30 wrote:i'm gonna be honest when i woke up this morning there were like 8 pages of meming and i skimmed a lot of it so i don't even remember that happening, or most of what she wrote
but u feel p confident on that ^?

I guess I feel her worry about me being red is real,

I'm not as 100% as I am that it's real like Gloria but in my experience I haven't seen Ydra-Scum fake concern like that before.

And I don't see the point of her asking me to promise to be town here is. When she says:

"pooky. pooky promise me that you're town this game. i need you to be town"

and

"pooky i don't know who you are as town only as scum ..................... im scared"

I take her at her word that these are real feelings she has.

In post 572, skitter30 wrote:

In post 566, Morning Tweet wrote:I like the couple of posts where ydrasse explained her scum self to me -- 363 especially. im a sucker for self meta and it felt like she was explaining something that made sense to her although i didnt quite understand

ehhhh i can see it i guess

Really? That feels like a good angle for scum to fake tbh

By “early stuff”, you’re specifically referring to after my having been V/LA for a week and I think I forget now - where LLD was deciding on third scroll? That was extremely serious, I’m obviously not going to be making “jokey/floppy” posts while that was going on. I probably still haven’t read massive chunks of that game.

I don’t understand what interactions you’re referring to between Skitter/Tayl0r and her post about the ban thread does seem reachy to me. I also don’t see what you find weird about our interactions?

I find your, Tayl0r/Dunn interactions kind of odd but it’s more Dunn’s entrance. Idk, something odd is going on possibly? on one or both your ends?

@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

In post 578, skitter30 wrote:

In post 575, Hopkirk wrote:I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

I am now around.

i mean, what word would you like me to use instead? i'm not really sure how you can extrapolate from what i've written that i think you hard scumread me just now
i do think that you thought that there's something going on btwn me/gloria, and i don't fully follow your reasoning, which is why i wanted to talk to u abt it

r u saying that u think me/gloria have partner equity?

You said I was ‘pushing’ it and made a lot of posts about it. I said I got very light pings. It sounded a lot like you were trying to make it look like I had a much stronger read than the ‘essentially null’ that I had.

Oh, nevermind the above post.

Was me redacting that comment because you then said you thought I was being jokey there which is the opposite of the narrative I was considering a scum-Skitter30 attempting to create.

how are you reading me and gloria rn ?

You – true null
Gloria – Lower half. I'm going to need some good old Pooky thoughts on this one

In post 574, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 190, Gloria Cleary wrote:So far - in no particular order - liking Hopkirk, MT, Skitter and probably Infinity and Isis as well.

In post 395, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 390, Gypyx wrote:

In post 328, Morning Tweet wrote:To answer your question i feel like jessie's thoughts going through the setup spec went through a genuine progression and I more or less ended up in a similar place to her on the confirmation issue we discussed

I also think if scum

did

actually make pregame choices, that's town indicative for her

Why though? Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum

Why? I’m currently nullreading them. I feel the most confident on MT, Isis and Ydrasee and probably Skitter.

@Dunn- hm, how did you have more of an issue with my reads being 'consensusy' but not Gloria's?
@Gloria - got any hot take reads? Your read change was basically a swap from Infinity (who some people including Pooky had moved to scum on) over to Ydrasse- and all of these reads are pretty uncontroversial TRs over the game.

I was questioning my Infinity read but I’m not particularly worried about him rn, so I don’t understand what your point is? My tr on Ydrasse is a lot stronger. So, it’s bad to mindmeld with my townreads?

In post 582, Gloria Cleary wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 570, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 557, skitter30 wrote:i've never played iwth him, idk, but what i've seen from him in the speakeasy, he does have a peculiar sense of humor
the way he then explained it seems kinda on-brand for his sense of humor; i don't think that was meant to be taken too seriously

gloria have you been in alts with me before / would you be surprised to learn that i think i know who you are?

Oh, nevermind the above post.

In post 558, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 555, skitter30 wrote:ok tbh i wasn't in or involved in the game you're referencing and i'm not super sure what point you're making wrt that game

what i was saying with isis and ydrasse is that in ydrasse's original post, i don't see her starting out with logic and then moving to gut; it looks entirely like a gut-based read to me
like i'm not sure that the analysis isis is tryign to make actually matches the post ydrasse made ...

I’m disputing that scum are necessarily good at being logical. Well if you’re interested, ISO Titus in that. I don’t really understand what she meant but I agree with her conclusions on Ydrasse being town.

How do you read Hopkirk/Dunn interactions?

In post 556, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 553, skitter30 wrote:

In post 546, Infinity 324 wrote:To me, dunn feels like a player who’s more comfortable with mechanics/fact-based things than describing reads, so I don’t think that’s super out of character? Tbf I can’t particularly read dunn, but the push felt like it was motivated by moving the game forward, and I got townvibes from hopkirk’s defense.

i'm not sure i agree with that assessment of dunn?
and i kinda wanna reserve judgement on hopkirk until i can talk to him about the me/gloria thing he's pushing, as i'm finding it to be a bit puzzling

+1

The Tayl0r/you thing is even stranger. Is Hopkirk usually this reachy?

It feels like you're pushing Skitter30 at me here while trying to stand back yourself Gloria. It feels more pushy than questiony.

I don’t understand what interactions you’re referring to between Skitter/Tayl0r and her post about the ban thread does seem reachy to me. I also don’t see what you find weird about our interactions?

I find your, Tayl0r/Dunn interactions kind of odd but it’s more Dunn’s entrance. Idk, something odd is going on possibly? on one or both your ends?

Unlike Skitter30, it feels like you trying to present my Skitter30/Taylor thing as a LOT more important to me than it was. You're acting like an associative I mentioned while saying that assocatives don't work this early + a null read on Skitter30 is a strong scumread on you/Skitter30. I think you're reaching a lot to get my reads to fit what you want them to here.

In post 584, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 574, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 190, Gloria Cleary wrote:So far - in no particular order - liking Hopkirk, MT, Skitter and probably Infinity and Isis as well.

In post 395, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 390, Gypyx wrote:

In post 328, Morning Tweet wrote:To answer your question i feel like jessie's thoughts going through the setup spec went through a genuine progression and I more or less ended up in a similar place to her on the confirmation issue we discussed

I also think if scum

did

actually make pregame choices, that's town indicative for her

Why though? Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum

Why? I’m currently nullreading them. I feel the most confident on MT, Isis and Ydrasee and probably Skitter.

@Dunn- hm, how did you have more of an issue with my reads being 'consensusy' but not Gloria's?
@Gloria - got any hot take reads? Your read change was basically a swap from Infinity (who some people including Pooky had moved to scum on) over to Ydrasse- and all of these reads are pretty uncontroversial TRs over the game.

I was questioning my Infinity read but I’m not particularly worried about him rn, so I don’t understand what your point is? My tr on Ydrasse is a lot stronger. So, it’s bad to mindmeld with my townreads?

Having a townblock is fine. I agreed with your stance here when I responded to Dunn that mine was fine.
My implied question to you is what you think of Dunn taking that stance on me (but not on you) and you not commenting on him not liking my stance when you and I share a stance.

So, you’re sr me for being jokey because I was serious during a critical part of Death Scroll? Pooky has me as one of his strongest trs. Are you not reading?

In post 587, Gloria Cleary wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 583, Hopkirk wrote:@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

In post 578, skitter30 wrote:

In post 575, Hopkirk wrote:I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

I am now around.

i mean, what word would you like me to use instead? i'm not really sure how you can extrapolate from what i've written that i think you hard scumread me just now
i do think that you thought that there's something going on btwn me/gloria, and i don't fully follow your reasoning, which is why i wanted to talk to u abt it

r u saying that u think me/gloria have partner equity?

You said I was ‘pushing’ it and made a lot of posts about it. I said I got very light pings. It sounded a lot like you were trying to make it look like I had a much stronger read than the ‘essentially null’ that I had.

Oh, nevermind the above post.

Was me redacting that comment because you then said you thought I was being jokey there which is the opposite of the narrative I was considering a scum-Skitter30 attempting to create.

how are you reading me and gloria rn ?

You – true null
Gloria – Lower half. I'm going to need some good old Pooky thoughts on this one

So, you’re sr me for being jokey because I was serious during a critical part of Death Scroll? Pooky has me as one of his strongest trs. Are you not reading?

What?
@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

I literally just said I was talking about the early part of Death Scroll. Prior to v/la and leading up to end of day (first lethal) + a small bit around end of day.
How are you reading this as a 'critical' part?

Pooky TRing you doesn't mean much unless he can convince me of it. I didn't ask Pooky he townread you so I don't know why you're sarcastically asking if i'm reading.

In post 585, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 582, Gloria Cleary wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 570, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 557, skitter30 wrote:i've never played iwth him, idk, but what i've seen from him in the speakeasy, he does have a peculiar sense of humor
the way he then explained it seems kinda on-brand for his sense of humor; i don't think that was meant to be taken too seriously

gloria have you been in alts with me before / would you be surprised to learn that i think i know who you are?

Oh, nevermind the above post.

In post 558, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 555, skitter30 wrote:ok tbh i wasn't in or involved in the game you're referencing and i'm not super sure what point you're making wrt that game

what i was saying with isis and ydrasse is that in ydrasse's original post, i don't see her starting out with logic and then moving to gut; it looks entirely like a gut-based read to me
like i'm not sure that the analysis isis is tryign to make actually matches the post ydrasse made ...

I’m disputing that scum are necessarily good at being logical. Well if you’re interested, ISO Titus in that. I don’t really understand what she meant but I agree with her conclusions on Ydrasse being town.

How do you read Hopkirk/Dunn interactions?

In post 556, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 553, skitter30 wrote:

In post 546, Infinity 324 wrote:To me, dunn feels like a player who’s more comfortable with mechanics/fact-based things than describing reads, so I don’t think that’s super out of character? Tbf I can’t particularly read dunn, but the push felt like it was motivated by moving the game forward, and I got townvibes from hopkirk’s defense.

i'm not sure i agree with that assessment of dunn?
and i kinda wanna reserve judgement on hopkirk until i can talk to him about the me/gloria thing he's pushing, as i'm finding it to be a bit puzzling

+1

The Tayl0r/you thing is even stranger. Is Hopkirk usually this reachy?

It feels like you're pushing Skitter30 at me here while trying to stand back yourself Gloria. It feels more pushy than questiony.

I don’t understand what interactions you’re referring to between Skitter/Tayl0r and her post about the ban thread does seem reachy to me. I also don’t see what you find weird about our interactions?

I find your, Tayl0r/Dunn interactions kind of odd but it’s more Dunn’s entrance. Idk, something odd is going on possibly? on one or both your ends?

Unlike Skitter30, it feels like you

are

trying to present my Skitter30/Taylor thing as a LOT more important to me than it was. You're acting like an associative I mentioned while saying that assocatives don't work this early + a null read on Skitter30 is a strong scumread on you/Skitter30. I think you're reaching a lot to get my reads to fit what you want them to here.

And what do you think I want them to be? I could probably make the exact same argument about you. I don’t think anything I’ve done here is even remotely scummy.

In post 588, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 587, Gloria Cleary wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 583, Hopkirk wrote:@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

In post 578, skitter30 wrote:

In post 575, Hopkirk wrote:I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

I am now around.

i mean, what word would you like me to use instead? i'm not really sure how you can extrapolate from what i've written that i think you hard scumread me just now
i do think that you thought that there's something going on btwn me/gloria, and i don't fully follow your reasoning, which is why i wanted to talk to u abt it

r u saying that u think me/gloria have partner equity?

You said I was ‘pushing’ it and made a lot of posts about it. I said I got very light pings. It sounded a lot like you were trying to make it look like I had a much stronger read than the ‘essentially null’ that I had.

Oh, nevermind the above post.

Was me redacting that comment because you then said you thought I was being jokey there which is the opposite of the narrative I was considering a scum-Skitter30 attempting to create.

how are you reading me and gloria rn ?

You – true null
Gloria – Lower half. I'm going to need some good old Pooky thoughts on this one

So, you’re sr me for being jokey because I was serious during a critical part of Death Scroll? Pooky has me as one of his strongest trs. Are you not reading?

What?
@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

I literally just said I was talking about the early part of Death Scroll. Prior to v/la and leading up to end of day (first lethal) + a small bit around end of day.
How are you reading this as a 'critical' part?

You don’t think LLD scroll pass was “critical”? Seriously?

I like how Hectic games just meld together

actually if Gloria is who she might be I might be more scared of her because she's pocketed me in a previous life :3

but yea it feels like we are in a Town!Gloria world

In post 589, Hopkirk wrote:Pooky TRing you doesn't mean much unless he can convince me of it. I didn't ask Pooky

if

he townread you so I don't know why you're sarcastically asking if i'm reading.

Because he just posted he hard trs me, so I thought you had ignored his posts.

In post 593, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:actually if Gloria is who she might be I might be more scared of her because she's pocketed me in a previous life :3

Have you read any of my more recent posts in either Hydeoshi or Death Curse? Are you doubting how upset I was/still am by being 100% fooled by you in that game? Because if you honestly think there’s a world where I could ever fake that then you don’t know me in the slightest. You are the only player ever who has been 100% been able to pocket me to such an extent. I have never hurt so much after losing to scum when they played ethically and won by thoroughly pocketing me. I legit feel kicked in the gut by that game. Yes, it’s completely unfair to you and irrational but you honestly think I would post things like that in both of those threads if it wasn’t 100% real?

In post 596, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 593, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:actually if Gloria is who she might be I might be more scared of her because she's pocketed me in a previous life :3

Have you read any of my more recent posts in either Hydeoshi or Death Curse? Are you doubting how upset I was/still am by being 100% fooled by you in that game? Because if you honestly think there’s a world where I could ever fake that then you don’t know me in the slightest. You are the only player ever who has been 100% been able to pocket me to such an extent. I have never hurt so much after losing to scum when they played ethically and won by thoroughly pocketing me. I legit feel kicked in the gut by that game. Yes, it’s completely unfair to you and irrational but you honestly think I would post things like that in both of those threads if it wasn’t 100% real?

I am still really really hurt and I’m not sure you even get it.

In post 591, Gloria Cleary wrote:

In post 588, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 587, Gloria Cleary wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 583, Hopkirk wrote:@Gloria - your posts prior to v/la leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

In post 578, skitter30 wrote:

In post 575, Hopkirk wrote:I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

cool
might have to bounce before u get back tho

I am now around.

i mean, what word would you like me to use instead? i'm not really sure how you can extrapolate from what i've written that i think you hard scumread me just now
i do think that you thought that there's something going on btwn me/gloria, and i don't fully follow your reasoning, which is why i wanted to talk to u abt it

r u saying that u think me/gloria have partner equity?

You said I was ‘pushing’ it and made a lot of posts about it. I said I got very light pings. It sounded a lot like you were trying to make it look like I had a much stronger read than the ‘essentially null’ that I had.

Oh, nevermind the above post.

Was me redacting that comment because you then said you thought I was being jokey there which is the opposite of the narrative I was considering a scum-Skitter30 attempting to create.

how are you reading me and gloria rn ?

You – true null
Gloria – Lower half. I'm going to need some good old Pooky thoughts on this one

So, you’re sr me for being jokey because I was serious during a critical part of Death Scroll? Pooky has me as one of his strongest trs. Are you not reading?

What?
@Gloria -

your posts prior to v/la

leading up to the end of the day. Maybe a very small bit at end of day, but I'm fairly sure I strong TR you a while before then.

I literally just said I was talking about

the early part

of Death Scroll. Prior to v/la and leading up to end of day (first lethal) + a small bit around end of day.
How are you reading this as a 'critical' part?

You don’t think LLD scroll pass was “critical”? Seriously?

????

I've said twice now this isn't the part of the game I was talking about and you've insisted it is three times. Are you reading my posts?

? I said its very real !

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