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[Battle Mage]

i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

Over my dead body

lol a passionate defence of Hessian, but why?

I was referring to you driving town. Pushing Hessian based on a lack of content because meta is dumb when the slot has been vla the whole game.

There's wiyvern who actually has scummy content. Same with non.

It's just superbowl9 wiyvern and non.

what's your problem with me driving the town? So far you've driven 1 mis-elim already, and it's possible you are just scum, whereas I am universally townread (as always).

Neutral lean town at best this time.

you're just salty and OMGUSy coz i scumread you

No reason why that couldn't have come from scum you.

i mean it's more likely it comes from town me though, surely? why would scum-BM bother upsetting you when you were townreading me as always?

[superbowl9]

That looks like an attempt at trying to derail my accurate wagonomics.

I think you know this is false because I JUST stated I don't care about getting into the nitty gritty of showing whether a wagonomics argument is right or wrong since I hate it in general. I clearly just mixed up your wagonomics posts with your BM scumread, like I said I possibly did in my post about it. You still have reasons to SR me without pushing stuff that's clearly off base

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like it.

Yes, that's what happened if you are town. I'm not pushing it like it's the straw on the camel's back, we barely just got the camel.

This is my #1 gripe with players on this site, just because you COULD push an argument doesn't mean you SHOULD!

If you really deep down think to yourself that superbowl thought he would just accuse you of saying something you never said and think it wouldn't get corrected in an attempt to undermine the validity of wagonomics (which I have never done ask Titus!!! She has tried to get me to argue over VCA and I refuse!!), you would be a bad player.

I know you don't actually think this because you're not a bad player, but I think you think you can make the argument because it fits your predisposed narrative. It's just not helpful and makes us argue over stupid stuff instead of the ACTUAL essence of your scumread

[Battle Mage]

I don’t feel like enough has been said about why Andres was nightkilled.

The fact that it was him, relatively inactive, and not someone driving the game hints that 1) his few posts were right, and 2) there’s a more experienced player on the scum team. The only real scumread he had was superbowl9. I know it’s WIFOM, but when I read a finished game and look at the mafia chat and why they chose their targets, usually the good wine is firmly in front of me.

i dont think superbowl is sweating andresvmb here. it might imply the more experienced players are scum though, as newbie scum normally kills experienced town.

[Titus]

I don’t feel like enough has been said about why Andres was nightkilled.

The fact that it was him, relatively inactive, and not someone driving the game hints that 1) his few posts were right, and 2) there’s a more experienced player on the scum team. The only real scumread he had was superbowl9. I know it’s WIFOM, but when I read a finished game and look at the mafia chat and why they chose their targets, usually the good wine is firmly in front of me.

I subscribe to this posting.

Your thoughts BM?

I know you're caught up so you should have no problem commenting on superbowl9.

[superbowl9]

I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

[Titus]

I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

What are your current reads?

[Flavor Leaf]

That looks like an attempt at trying to derail my accurate wagonomics.

I think you know this is false because I JUST stated I don't care about getting into the nitty gritty of showing whether a wagonomics argument is right or wrong since I hate it in general. I clearly just mixed up your wagonomics posts with your BM scumread, like I said I possibly did in my post about it. You still have reasons to SR me without pushing stuff that's clearly off base

Doesn't change the fact that it looks like it.

Yes, that's what happened if you are town. I'm not pushing it like it's the straw on the camel's back, we barely just got the camel.

This is my #1 gripe with players on this site, just because you COULD push an argument doesn't mean you SHOULD!

If you really deep down think to yourself that superbowl thought he would just accuse you of saying something you never said and think it wouldn't get corrected in an attempt to undermine the validity of wagonomics (which I have never done ask Titus!!! She has tried to get me to argue over VCA and I refuse!!), you would be a bad player.

I know you don't actually think this because you're not a bad player, but I think you think you can make the argument because it fits your predisposed narrative. It's just not helpful and makes us argue over stupid stuff instead of the ACTUAL essence of your scumread

Why shouldn't you? I think if scum, it was a good point for you to make.

[Flavor Leaf]

Especially if you could hide the actual reason like getting mixed with wagonomics.

Dude, that's a killer scum move, whatre you talking about.

[Alchemist21]

i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

I disagree. What difference exists between Hessian and Wiyvern exists that they should treat them differently? NPOM is saying some suspicious things and if they flip red I’ll be looking at Wiyvern as a potential partner.

I also don’t see how NPOM’s hesitation on Wiyvern makes the Hessian wagon more preferable of the 2.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

[superbowl9]

I don't want anyone driving who is flat out wrong. Flavor Leaf and I will drive.

PLEASE remember this tomorrow and take a step back both of you

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like anytime someone says "experienced scumteam"

it's just their way of trying to shade Titus or Myself without specifically saying it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't want anyone driving who is flat out wrong. Flavor Leaf and I will drive.

PLEASE remember this tomorrow and take a step back both of you

I AM SITTING PASSENGER AND EVERYONE THINKS IM DRIVING

[Flavor Leaf]

I would like to note the potential danger of me seeing Alchemist's posts, immediately getting happy, wanting to vote NPOM with them, and then I remember Day 1.

[superbowl9]

Why shouldn't you? I think if scum, it was a good point for you to make.

It's literally false, like objectively you can ISO Flavor Leaf and see he never claimed BM was on the wagon. Why would I craft an argument off a so obviously verifiably false premise? When I say in my post "i might be remembering it wrong but...", that doesn't give you any indication that I

MIGHT

have remembered it wrong???

[Rannygazoo]

I feel like anytime someone says "experienced scumteam"

it's just their way of trying to shade Titus or Myself without specifically saying it.

I haven’t checked everyone’s game history but that does seem to be the consensus. Maybe there’s someone else I should be looking out for.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everyone's also acting like my reads are set in stone, and I'm 100% confident on everything.

I'm like 30% on NPOM scum, and that's my strongest scum read.

I don't know shit, y'all.

I know Mafilosophy, sure, but that's not my reads. People are putting words in my mouth all over.

[Alchemist21]

i think there's something reassuring in the way NPOM joined the Hessian wagon without question, but was more hesitant on Wiyvern. Presumably those suspicious of NPOM can get behind the Hessian wagon on that basis.

I am driving consensus Titus.

makes me think Wiveryn over Hessian as a partner for NPOM.

nah i'd say the opposite. scum don't tend to need much talking into distancing their teammates. although im still leaning NPOM town now anyway I think.

I strongly disagree with that take on distancing. Some people are bus-it-into-the-ground players but most aren’t.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why shouldn't you? I think if scum, it was a good point for you to make.

It's literally false, like objectively you can ISO Flavor Leaf and see he never claimed BM was on the wagon. Why would I craft an argument off a so obviously verifiably false premise? When I say in my post "i might be remembering it wrong but...", that doesn't give you any indication that I

MIGHT

have remembered it wrong???

It creates a natural looking discussion, and forces the player to target it out, which looks OMGUSy.

I'm not saying it's what's happening, but if you end up being scum, it is 100% being used, at least now, as a way to get town read/take hold of discussion.

[superbowl9]

I'll reasses NPOM if super is wrong, but I strongly doubt it.

Sadly I think NPOM is going to get a lot of clout from my green flip. It's a hard to read slot so if it is scum it's a great scenario for them

What are your current reads?

Are you interested in any specific slot/interaction/game event because I'm kind of starting to hate readslists. Slots I would poke right now assuming I could dayvig outworld are alchemist, BM(although I find a better strategy with him is to townblock early and re-evaluate later), wiyvern, hessian, and non ihm.

[Flavor Leaf]

What do people think about Alchemist? I don't think I'm going to be able to see if it's scumAlchemist until right before I'm night killed.

[superbowl9]

It creates a natural looking discussion, and forces the player to target it out, which looks OMGUSy.

I'm not saying it's what's happening, but if you end up being scum, it is 100% being used, at least now, as a way to get town read/take hold of discussion.

I'm literally telling you right now that we agree, you never said it. The way it could have gone is "No i never said that" "oh my bad" and it's done. Instead you've gone a step further and assigned manipulative intent where there's clearly none, and we're still having this argument. If you truly cared about me using this to take over the conversation you wouldn't still be arguing about it, the only reason you are is because you don't want to back off your point even though you understand it was weak.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am not against eliminating wiyvern, all I said was I wanted a reasoning.

[Flavor Leaf]

It's still discussion.

Time is but a moment, an explosion of art in the singular instance.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t feel like enough has been said about why Andres was nightkilled.

The fact that it was him, relatively inactive, and not someone driving the game hints that 1) his few posts were right, and 2) there’s a more experienced player on the scum team. The only real scumread he had was superbowl9. I know it’s WIFOM, but when I read a finished game and look at the mafia chat and why they chose their targets, usually the good wine is firmly in front of me.

Less-experienced scum will kill less active slots as safe-kills to avoid a Doc protect.

But I’ll concede I’m not good with NKA anyway.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm also past it and over it, I don't know why you said I don't want to back off my point.

I moved past it after my first explanation of it.