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oh cool, i figured out which group of players i want to solve first before reaching page 50 in a large theme.

MURDERCAT wrote:Can you explain that a bit more, why those 4 in particular

expressed early townreads on , one of the first to side with them, but also was on the train of being iffy with opening about , but still proceeds to assert that is obvtown.
is similar to in this respect but in the opposite direction of detailing as scum with actually valid reasons imo.
has a knack for wresting control of the gamestate so I would not be surprised if she were coordinating the plist to do mech stuff
seems squarely focused on mech stuff and is actually arguing with , but they dont push the other too much.



all came to the same conclusion and are in good sync, which makes their reads of each other overall pretty credible or at least understandable.
is an interesting slot in this situation, on one hand, he has a valid viewpoint on ... the other, is that it is weird AF for him to wagon after doubling-down on the scumread. Interactions make him least likely to be aligned with the other... OR situation involving him is where i would start to investigate.

i have post links to back up but this is my full-spew perception of the 4 slots.

the gist is that these 4 slots have very well documented stances on each other and thats the biggest point of interest i have in the game rn

Cool thanks, that makes sense.

I would be surprised if Pooky or Outworld are scum and I would be very surprised if they are scum together.
Ali is towntelling but gets a respectful null from me anyway.
BM I think I have no opinion on.

I think Pooky/Ali/BM group is actually super trustworthy and we should make sure they are with different groups so they can "secure" each one

I'm watching Ali tbh, I've been burned there before and it was

If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.

In post 75, Battle Mage wrote:yo Alisae - let's go electrical first!

In post 78, Battle Mage wrote:just electrical

In post 114, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 108, Alisae wrote:tbh if Battle Mage kills me in electrical
I'm happy with that

don't worry, you can trust me

In post 145, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 144, Titus wrote:

In post 35, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2

I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.

I like your style Titus. I was planning on doing mine, and then kicking back on Night 2

In post 153, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 148, Titus wrote:

In post 70, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 64, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better

electricity room?

In post 71, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wait you really only have 1 room to go to?

Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.

goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?

In post 190, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 186, Alisae wrote:

In post 185, Akarin wrote:I need to be in the same room 2 nights in a row.

This might throw a wrench in the claim plan.

Battle Mage can go to the room ur in then.

hmm or we send Titus?

In post 191, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 189, Alisae wrote:Battle Mage has 1 task so it should be fine.
I can also go w/ Battle Mage so you feel safer, I have a 2nd task but I don't mind it if it would make you feel safer

I'm not planning to go anywhere without 3/4 people minimum.

In post 198, Battle Mage wrote:this will be a strange mafia game where no scumhunting is required

In post 254, Battle Mage wrote:

In post 244, Titus wrote:

In post 234, Alisae wrote:

In post 221, Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.

Cool ur with me

Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.

pfft, now i dont wanna come

I really don't think 254 comes from town. 190 is stretching it. BM wants to be in electrical, yet is ok sending me anywhere but electrical knowing my task requires me to go to electrical.

In 145 and 153 BM is joking with me and he goes from that to trying to execute me.

Combining 254 and 190 and his push on me, it suggests BM's true motivation. Get just him and Alisae alone in electrical or force her off task.

Titus what do you think about the others on your wagon?

Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

In post 575, Taly wrote:

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is an interesting slot in this situation, on one hand, he has a valid viewpoint on

Pooky/Ali

... the other, is that it is weird AF for him to wagon

Titus

after doubling-down on the

Pooky

scumread. Interactions make him least likely to be aligned with the other... OR

(2:2)

situation involving him is where i would start to investigate.

I mostly went with the Titus wagon to get things off this mech talk and encourage town to ditch the awful No Elim plan.

Already it's paid off since we've got more tangible things to go after and our positions in the game now are not solely based on support/opposition for the Pooky/Ali plan, at least for the people involved in this wagon.

I had reservations about Titus's posting before this recent bout since it feels like she should've at least had some weigh-in on the mech posting but this recent streak seems mostly like standard Titus.

Titus's points against BM ring true and considering his stances earlier his flip will help us sort the Pooky/Ali plan so I'm on board there.

VOTE: Battle Mage

Who do you think are the scum on/were on your wagon outside of Battle Mage or is BM the only read you've got there?

I actually TR Titus for not getting involved in mech here she is known for preferring vote based scumhunting

I know that, but I've watched her previously and even when her VCA was fairly weak she still seemed capable of getting out reads and weighing in on the goings on of Town.

But I guess attitudes change in a large and my reads on her are not likely to remain consistent this early in the day.

Actually thinking about a Titus flip gets Town nowhere on sorting the Pooky/Ali plan contentions.

Scum might push her with that intent.

BM is the only read I have there. In a traditional mafia game, I would agree with your vote OutWorldER. Here no elimination is the best strategy though.

Tomorrow we can force him to pick up a task or get eliminated since he shouldn't have anymore to do after electrical. If we're right, then the task autocompletes. If we're wrong, he can still do the task. I can take the other task if I am not dead.

I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

In post 585, SirCakez wrote:Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

Titus wrote:BM is the only read I have there. In a traditional mafia game, I would agree with your vote OutWorldER. Here no elimination is the best strategy though.

Tomorrow we can force him to pick up a task or get eliminated since he shouldn't have anymore to do after electrical. If we're right, then the task autocompletes. If we're wrong, he can still do the task. I can take the other task if I am not dead.

OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

And like, I don't think it's impossible, given the deadline and everything, that we could switch to No Elim from a wagon near EoD.

The simple refusal to vote at all coming from multiple people is bad and I would not be surprised if some of those were scum not wanting to put in the effort to formulate fake reads.

In post 591, OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

This thinking is a fallacy. It supposes all town think correctly and all scum push incorrectly. It also supposes one correct path. The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.

In post 592, Titus wrote:

In post 585, SirCakez wrote:Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM

I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.

Not sure I get you here
If Bell is town what is his motivation for eliming you just because he fears you?

OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

There's no chance of this happening

@Cakez, He would be going for a wagon to sort me. Not eliminate me. Then I looked at his ISO and I don't see much there. Then I know my prewagon ISO and I am back to meh.

In post 594, Titus wrote:

In post 591, OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.

The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.

Does this have to be done with No Elim though? That's a question that hasn't been answered. I don't see why this strategy has to have No Elim to work. If anything, having more public tasks lets us put more pressure on suspected scum.

No Elim only makes sense if you're absolutely trying to run through tasks as efficiently as possible which as I've repeated 1000 times should not be our plan from D1 in a closed setup.

You are correct that the basis of my flip plan is somewhat fallacious but the thing about it is that a flip now will give one side (talking about support/opposition to the plan, not necessarily alignement) control of the overall game narrative for a short while. Then, after a few days or such the remaining town can use the previous flip to decide if that narrative is good, bad, town-driven, scum-driven, etc.

I'm posting directly out of my own stream of consciousness so if you can't understand me just say and I'll try to reign myself in.

In post 597, OutWorldER wrote:Does this have to be done with No Elim though? That's a question that hasn't been answered. I don't see why this strategy has to have No Elim to work. If anything, having more public tasks lets us put more pressure on suspected scum.

For today, yes. In future days, no. Too many public tasks means we can't complete and do them all.

If we can get through D1 with only two public tasks, then I can take one and we can force a scumread to take the other. As long as I don't fuck up, this is a great plan.

Then after night two, at least some people can pick up the slack.