Open 808: The Council Has Spoken

[mozamis]

HEAL: unheal all

[Artemiana]

Mozzy, why do you keep voicing the fact that you don't want me in the council, and that I'm maybe scum here and not outright fighting it, or voting me in despite feeling weird about me?

[Artemiana]

Though I do gotta say, you have refreshing honesty even if it is a little weird

[Enchant]

Why BM? Well, he played with me and fully acknowlidged i WILL hammer.

When did this happen?

I don't remember anyone thinking that you would actually hammer

I hammered in every game with BM (one time with his ask). I dunno why he didn't warn you.

lol the only time i remember you hammering was when we were scum together and I had to persuade you to do it. I definitely don't have you down as a lolhammerer by nature. But it's fair to say the hammer and your reaction afterwards look uber-town.

Aren't you called me mafia, when i hammered as Jailkeeper?
Or in first game, where i hammered Not_Mafia, because he deserve it?

i dont remember either of those occasions, but perhaps you're right! Although didn't Not_Mafia basically claim scum in that game? so not sure that is a lolhammer

Yeah, he claimed Cop really badly. Well. If you don't remember, it's sad actually. Understandble, as you have... How many games?


Either way, BM is most likely townie for me.

[Battle Mage]

Me, bone, Yessiree obvious suspects (didnt vote for Almost).
I always think scum tend not to bus, particularly when there are only two of them.
Leaving Tbone and Yesiree.
If they did bus, my main suspect would be BM as if you read Almost's ISO, there is a lot of "mentionitis" from Almost about BM.
So i guess my main suspects are BM, Yes and Tbone.

I partially agree. Scum bus far too often on this site of late - in terms of the overall site meta, bussing is more common than it should be. But this is an open setup where scum are hugely handicapped if they lose 1 early, so likelihood of bussing is pretty low.

So yes, I'm looking off-wagon for A50's buddy. And of those on-wagon, a more favourable slant to those who joined later (i.e. actual bussing, vs distancing when the chance of A50-elim going through was lower).

[Battle Mage]

It's a high risk, high reward play to get partner T-bone to get a seat into the council over townie rookie goddess because come tonight, scum will now have insight to what the council is planning on doing-which makes anything they do invalid

Let's not forget that this had happened yesterday.

I want you to really think about the position T-Bone was in last night

explain?

[Enchant]

What motivation Mafia-Almost50 have to remove Artemiana from council? If she is mafia, it's nonsense.

[mozamis]

Although I guess Nono shouldnt be completely exonorated.
Almost could have bussed him, knowing the wagon was going nowhere. Maybe Nono bussed Almost early and dint have time to get off the wagon?
Lot of maybes...but stuff to ponder.

[Battle Mage]

Also others can change vote/add more like T-Bone/Artemiana did.

OK then. My choices are unpopular it seems, but I'll add them anyway:

HEAL: Moz, T-Bone, Yessiree

One scum, two town pocket.

This is the only council he wanted all of yesterday, and in all votes he wanted tbone in the council above all.

Tbone was also the one that he chose to replace me with, and he was also against BM being in the council.

Yessus was clearly pocketed based on his reactions to his hammer yesterday

yeah that's my starting position too.

That said, I want to talk to at least one of you about what happened last night in depth, where scum cant see what's going on

Why you want hide it? If that's talking, i can't see how it would be secret. Track is useless. Protect as well, and if mafia hit protect, mafia already know.

So what?

The less information scum get, the better. What are your thoughts on the ideal council

I think Enchant is right here though - we don't have any useful info that mafia don't know, so we may as well say.

Like guys

I would appreciate it if everyone didnt ignore the big ol wolly mammoth yesterday

rest assured, we discussed it in the PT last night.

[Battle Mage]

Although I guess Nono shouldnt be completely exonorated.
Almost could have bussed him, knowing the wagon was going nowhere. Maybe Nono bussed Almost early and dint have time to get off the wagon?
Lot of maybes...but stuff to ponder.

yeah i'd have to go back and re-read. same could apply to Raya who was first on? But we're probably over-thinking it.

[Artemiana]

Raya jumped on after I started bringing A50 into the light, and after I placed a compromise vote on yessus.

[Battle Mage]

Since I don't see any reason not to claim our results, I shall.

Last night we tracked Yessiree and protected me. so either scum no-killed or tried to kill me. But Yessirree went nowhere, so I'm bumping them slightly down the list of suspects. We should've tested whether some players would have thought of the no-kill option (i.e. if Yesiree-scum would have killed last night, the result could clear them). Nothing really worth sharing from the PT although we had a good discussion. Main point of interest was T-Bone coming up with an odd idea for the night actions which would have guaranteed us no information (not that we achieved much better) and Raya being pretty balanced and moderate.

Notwithstanding, I'm going to VOTE: T-Bone

HEAL: Battle Mage, Artemiana, Enchant

[Artemiana]

Can we keep yesiree and mozamis off of all councils, please?

You're clipping both my wings and asking me to fly here. Aside from them two, I only have you as a

confident

TR. And -even worse- I am not allowed to heal myself, so I can't even use the global TR on BM option to complete my trio.

Well, the closest to a TR aside from the above is Raya I guess, and I won't fight against an Enchant council membership, but then I feel like I'm "giving in" and when that happens I am highly likely to misread a scumster as a townie.

Wait! That does look like a read list of some sort. Let me try to put it in a more readable form:

T-Bone/mozamis
yessiree

BM/Raya/Enchant

Nono/Artemiana

If I use my super intellectual gift I'd say one scum in BM/Raya/Enchant and the other is in Nono/Atemiana (but don't quote me on any of that yet. I'll only take responsibility of my reads on the top 3 so far)

Any chance of a quick compromise on the council? I will take Raya in if you guys drop one of BM/Artem. My fear is we "might" be making BOTH Scum unkillable today, which would mean we are killing Town regardless after we finalize the council as it is.

I won't even dictate and alternative. Just pick one of Moz/T-B/yes and place them in one of BM/Artem spots.

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

VOTE: Nono

I can also do Artem, but nobody's voting her

Mmm...

Why do you do this?

Like...

You start off passive aggressive and then out of no where it's like OH NO, NONONO PLZPLZPLZ

OLZPLZPLZ LETS DO SOMETHING ELSE!

Why do you continue to play the woe is me card? Even when you went against the council you thought BM and I were both scum which is pretty ridiculous imo. Considering you successfully kicked me off, I would imagine you have the capacity to push this much harder?

ISO me. You and Nono are my 2 main suspects. The two at the very bottom of my reads. I didn't even keep it a secret.

These posts capture my interest,

[Battle Mage]

Raya jumped on after I started bringing A50 into the light, and after I placed a compromise vote on yessus.

that's better then. Although I'm not sure what to make of Raya being happy with T-Bone in the council today when T-Bone is definitely within the possible elim pool, and Raya was quite down on T-Bone even last night. I can live with Raya in council again, but prefer freshening it up.

[mozamis]

Unless mafia doesh't have braincells, is it.

Should emphahsise you English is really good. But this sentence made me chuckle

[mozamis]

*emphasise

[mozamis]

What do you think about A50 swapping tbone out for me

world of WIFOM. Could be him trying to make scumArte! look town ,Or Almost making townArte! look scum etc etc

[mozamis]

Mozzy, why do you keep voicing the fact that you don't want me in the council, and that I'm maybe scum here and not outright fighting it, or voting me in despite feeling weird about me?

I dont know for sure you are scum. And the council seemed to work last night.
Scum could just a easily be Nono, Tbone, Yesiree and BM.
So i guess my townbloc is me and Enchant.
Raya is bland which in itelf is worrying.
So I do hve some suspectd after all!
Lynch Moz for changing his reads nd being really rransparent about it like in evry other game!

[mozamis]

*transparent.
Whole post a train wreck really lol

[mozamis]

@ Arte your posts Today seem really town for what it's worth, "game solvy".

[mozamis]

And discountng Almost's interactions with BM, BM was laughably lown Day 1.
So Moz, Enchant, BM town.
Arte prob town.
Evryone else scum lol

[T-Bone]

It's a high risk, high reward play to get partner T-bone to get a seat into the council over townie rookie goddess because come tonight, scum will now have insight to what the council is planning on doing-which makes anything they do invalid

Let's not forget that this had happened yesterday.

Please don't insult me.

[mozamis]

As Churchill put it to me back in May 1940: "You and I will be dead in a weeks time".
Guaranteee that I'm the next lynch lol

[T-Bone]

What do you think about A50 kicking me off council and that being the catalyst for the A50 elimination?

Again please stop giving credit to A50 for something I did. In addition to being insulting, it's also untrue.

[T-Bone]

Since I don't see any reason not to claim our results, I shall.

Last night we tracked Yessiree and protected me. so either scum no-killed or tried to kill me. But Yessirree went nowhere, so I'm bumping them slightly down the list of suspects. We should've tested whether some players would have thought of the no-kill option (i.e. if Yesiree-scum would have killed last night, the result could clear them). Nothing really worth sharing from the PT although we had a good discussion. Main point of interest was T-Bone coming up with an odd idea for the night actions which would have guaranteed us no information (not that we achieved much better) and Raya being pretty balanced and moderate.

Notwithstanding, I'm going to VOTE: T-Bone

HEAL: Battle Mage, Artemiana, Enchant

Holy shit are you actually scum?