Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[JamesTheNames]

Imagine getting Doctor hammered over a nonsense gambit because of one post you just thought was ick, despite there being a literal scum counter claim in front of you all.

[Psyche]

i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

[Val89]

val wait.

u literally said psyche was scum and quickly pivoted to james being scum -- what happened there

Listen, I don't want to go into now. James isn't flipping doc though, that's all you need to know.

[Nancy Drew 39]

James,

Given your slot is now in hammer-range, would you mind both claiming, and also answering the following?

Before you replaced in, I was very lightly scumreading your slot, based almost entirely on the confused reads your predecessor gave us on T3 and Grandpa. I don't think it's fair to read your slot based on what might have been a communication thing, so I'm resetting that read to null, but could you give us your reasoning for TR/TL'ing those two if that is what you are doing?

If you have answered and I missed it, sorry; but I only see confirmation in your ISO that you are townreading or townleading both (360) and no explanation as to why.

I was a bit tunnel visioned on proving Nancy wrong but I'll answer it now sorry for the wait.

T3, if you're doing what I think you're doing I'm gonna laugh my ass off so hard.

If he

is

doing what I think you think that T3 is doing, do we think that scum don't already think that he was doing what I think that you think that he was doing, and thus we should probably confirm one way of another?

If I am thinking it's the same thing you and Roden have, you can probably see how I read T3 and why I'm reluctant.
For GrandpaMo he actually seems to be trying to game solve and scum hunt, even if its sporadic and weird. 397, 381, 312, 290, 255, 252 as some examples.

While I'm also here:
ClarkBar and Val89 are my 2 other confident town sided people in my eyes.
Val89 is trying to solve, a lot. 511, 509, 417, 409, 366, 296, 292. As some examples
ClarkBar is doing the same, but maybe not as much. 404, 345, 342, 221, 174. As examples.

Although actually while trudging through some older posts:

Regarding the alt thing. I was annoyed that Nancy used a past experience with Grandpa to defend/justify the gameplay style they were using that got them to E-1 fairly quickly but then decided to not disclose the game in question. I wanted to skim that game for similarities to this one to get a better read on if what Nancy was saying was true and informed this game and Grandpa's play-style better. Why bring it up if we can only take her word for it? It felt to me that Nancy was advocating for Grandpa during his push and that pinged me so I wanted to explore their past relationship/interactions.

Ultimately I was too lazy to sleuth the game out, and I wasn't motivated to bother Nancy about it.

Seemed like a dead end. I will check out the link provided by Val later.

Nancy do you have some reason not to scum read/scum lean ClarkBar for the bolded section? Boiled down the only difference between the bolded section and what I'm doing is I'm voting you. So either this means you would scum read ClarkBar for this, or you're just OMGUS voting me.

I referenced that vote because my vote on him was for wanting the Mo wagon at E -1. My point was that the claim that I’ve been only voting slots that were sr me was false. If you read my series of posts, I make that extremely clear, so I don’t know why you think I should be voting him?

[GrandpaMo]

well since ur getting limmed rn, and pr will be limmed tonight ...

that outs one of them as scum only if u flip town doc

if u flip scum, they still kill one of the power roles

[JamesTheNames]

i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

Because this "Wasn't obvious"

[GrandpaMo]

i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

so ur scum fake claiming?

[GrandpaMo]

yall cannot behave while grandpa is gone smh do better

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy,

Alright; James has said several times they don't beleive meta reads are ever helpful in sorting slots, but I disagree because I've read games where they have been.

Providing one link to one game where you do something being read as scummy as town and then say "see, it actually makes me town, and everyone who's played with me before who doesn't see that must be scum" isn't going to wash however.

Before I could even entertain that, I would need to see at least

2

(not just one) town games, and at least one scum game where you

don't

do the said OMGUS-ing (although I disagree that's the correct term for what's happening). I made an attempt to fish them out myself but I've so far come across team games and stuff with weird 'stump' mechanics and other business I can't really get my head around to decide what your alignment actually was in order to follow the games. Since you obviously have a better command of the games you've played in, would you be able to provide links to another town game, and at least one fairly recent scum game where you don't do this?

Can you also explain, if you omgus sr/vote in pretty much every game(456), or use your vote as a device to stop you "doing something actually toxic" in response to a pecieved push (474), what do you consider the town utility to the back and forth you had with Psyche about the utility of splashing your vote around without being confident it's landing on scum in 183-188?

There are tons of games where I do this and if you do the metadive, you will very easily find them. My point is it happens in most of my games so James is sr me off of playstyle basically, so it’s actually a lot more than just meta.

I voted you because you were really upsetting me earlier and when I tried to get you to stop by saying I would ignore you, you just kept continuing and I was literally on the verge of losing it on you because of it. I wanted you to stop because I didn’t want to say anything that could possibly get me banned from this queue. I wouldn’t say that part was typical. I legit did feel bullied and intimidated by the specific way you were engaging with me, not the sr part. You were like, if you don’t do what I think you should do and be an outright masochist, I’m scum and I didn’t think I should have to put up with that.

That is a very fair question. When I’m not being tunneled, it’s not atypical for me not to vote, so that is true but the fact is I can easily obvtown but being consistently wrongly sr, which I feel has been the case in this game, really kills my WIMk especially when I honestly don’t feel I’ve done anything to warrant it. I got miselimed in a game on MU because nobody would listen to me and I eventually got so disheartened, I gave up and this game is strongly reminding me of that game. When you’re telling the truth and people think you’re lying no matter what you say, you just stop trying. One player actually said to me in that game, that he’d seen nothing good from me”, which completely adversely affected my play. Even when the NK was literally the same person who stopped my miselim on D1, nobody believed me even after that and that’s how I’m feeling rn that people can’t see that I’m telling the truth about my alignment, I don’t see how I don’t get miselimed at some point because I stop caring and that obviously makes everything just worse but I really do feel I’m not being listened to in this game and I just don’t know how to get through to people that I really am town. :/

Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

Once again I implore you to point out a single town sided thing you've done this game. You're relying on meta instead of actually being town sided. You aren't trying to help town, you just want to coast/lurk.

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to read over all of your previous games, they may be busy with exams, work, maybe they just don't dedicate a lot of time to mafia. Why don't you show this hypothetical player something you've done this game that makes you town?

You haven't done anything to convince people you're town apart from "REEEEEEEEEE look at my meta, YOU AREN'T READING MY CHERRY PICKED META YOU SCUM!". So once again if someone doesn't have the time, why would they think you were town from this game Nancy?

I literally linked a recent game for you. How much time and effort would it have taken you to click it?

[JamesTheNames]

i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

so ur scum fake claiming?

I guess you'll have to wait and see. Val89 all you had to do was be patient and you avoided a mislim.

[Psyche]

im

town

fakeclaiming
i'm just that unpredictable

[Val89]

No. James is scum fakeclaiming. If you are town, Grandpa, just be be quiet. Normally we would get something out of this phase by talking, but not this time. James is hammered, we can get on with solving the second scum slot tomorrow.

[JamesTheNames]

Nancy,

Alright; James has said several times they don't beleive meta reads are ever helpful in sorting slots, but I disagree because I've read games where they have been.

Providing one link to one game where you do something being read as scummy as town and then say "see, it actually makes me town, and everyone who's played with me before who doesn't see that must be scum" isn't going to wash however.

Before I could even entertain that, I would need to see at least

2

(not just one) town games, and at least one scum game where you

don't

do the said OMGUS-ing (although I disagree that's the correct term for what's happening). I made an attempt to fish them out myself but I've so far come across team games and stuff with weird 'stump' mechanics and other business I can't really get my head around to decide what your alignment actually was in order to follow the games. Since you obviously have a better command of the games you've played in, would you be able to provide links to another town game, and at least one fairly recent scum game where you don't do this?

Can you also explain, if you omgus sr/vote in pretty much every game(456), or use your vote as a device to stop you "doing something actually toxic" in response to a pecieved push (474), what do you consider the town utility to the back and forth you had with Psyche about the utility of splashing your vote around without being confident it's landing on scum in 183-188?

There are tons of games where I do this and if you do the metadive, you will very easily find them. My point is it happens in most of my games so James is sr me off of playstyle basically, so it’s actually a lot more than just meta.

I voted you because you were really upsetting me earlier and when I tried to get you to stop by saying I would ignore you, you just kept continuing and I was literally on the verge of losing it on you because of it. I wanted you to stop because I didn’t want to say anything that could possibly get me banned from this queue. I wouldn’t say that part was typical. I legit did feel bullied and intimidated by the specific way you were engaging with me, not the sr part. You were like, if you don’t do what I think you should do and be an outright masochist, I’m scum and I didn’t think I should have to put up with that.

That is a very fair question. When I’m not being tunneled, it’s not atypical for me not to vote, so that is true but the fact is I can easily obvtown but being consistently wrongly sr, which I feel has been the case in this game, really kills my WIMk especially when I honestly don’t feel I’ve done anything to warrant it. I got miselimed in a game on MU because nobody would listen to me and I eventually got so disheartened, I gave up and this game is strongly reminding me of that game. When you’re telling the truth and people think you’re lying no matter what you say, you just stop trying. One player actually said to me in that game, that he’d seen nothing good from me”, which completely adversely affected my play. Even when the NK was literally the same person who stopped my miselim on D1, nobody believed me even after that and that’s how I’m feeling rn that people can’t see that I’m telling the truth about my alignment, I don’t see how I don’t get miselimed at some point because I stop caring and that obviously makes everything just worse but I really do feel I’m not being listened to in this game and I just don’t know how to get through to people that I really am town. :/

Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

Once again I implore you to point out a single town sided thing you've done this game. You're relying on meta instead of actually being town sided. You aren't trying to help town, you just want to coast/lurk.

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to read over all of your previous games, they may be busy with exams, work, maybe they just don't dedicate a lot of time to mafia. Why don't you show this hypothetical player something you've done this game that makes you town?

You haven't done anything to convince people you're town apart from "REEEEEEEEEE look at my meta, YOU AREN'T READING MY CHERRY PICKED META YOU SCUM!". So once again if someone doesn't have the time, why would they think you were town from this game Nancy?

I literally linked a recent game for you. How much time and effort would it have taken you to click it?

Ignoring things again. It's a hypothetical scenario, you've got me hammered, why are you still dodging my things?

[Val89]

Psyche, you didn't need to say that either...

Just everyone shut up and log off, will you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

so ur scum fake claiming?

I have doubts on Psyche being town here.

[Psyche]

look
i just thought it over real hard and decided i couldn't let james get away with such a bad claim
if he flips town then god that sucks and i accept all blame if the town loses
but in the end mafia is about having fun and i live for the thrill

[Val89]

[Psyche]

Psyche, you didn't need to say that either... :neutral:

Just everyone shut up and log off, will you?

oh yeah sorry i got into a bit of a silly mood yeah we chat tomorrow

[T3]

James found my tracker crumb.

[GrandpaMo]

ok i hope this clears everything up -- im the real doctor.

and james is scum. i was tryna buddy up wit james so i can see who their partner is.

i crumbed in post 91, 49, in post 250, i wanted to use that "vc" pagetop to refer not to votecount but to the vena cava which is a popular vein found in the heart -- so yes im a doc

[GrandpaMo]

kek

[GrandpaMo]

ok everyone log off pls we going to sleep good bye

[JamesTheNames]

look
i just thought it over real hard and decided i couldn't let james get away with such a bad claim
if he flips town then god that sucks and i accept all blame if the town loses
but in the end mafia is about having fun and i live for the thrill

You'd grief town so you can have fun?

[Val89]

Lol.

[T3]

wait im confused, val can u give me like what happened in the past 2 pages

Yea so Psyche fake claimed Jailkeeper, and the apparent Tracker just hammered me despite Tracker/Doctor being a thing.

Val hammered.