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In post 573, GrandpaMo wrote:val wait.

u literally said psyche was scum and quickly pivoted to james being scum -- what happened there

In post 514, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 511, Val89 wrote:James,

Given your slot is now in hammer-range, would you mind both claiming, and also answering the following?

In post 366, Val89 wrote:Before you replaced in, I was very lightly scumreading your slot, based almost entirely on the confused reads your predecessor gave us on T3 and Grandpa. I don't think it's fair to read your slot based on what might have been a communication thing, so I'm resetting that read to null, but could you give us your reasoning for TR/TL'ing those two if that is what you are doing?

If you have answered and I missed it, sorry; but I only see confirmation in your ISO that you are townreading or townleading both (360) and no explanation as to why.

I was a bit tunnel visioned on proving Nancy wrong but I'll answer it now sorry for the wait.

In post 428, Val89 wrote:

In post 426, Roden wrote:T3, if you're doing what I think you're doing I'm gonna laugh my ass off so hard.

If he

is

doing what I think you think that T3 is doing, do we think that scum don't already think that he was doing what I think that you think that he was doing, and thus we should probably confirm one way of another?

If I am thinking it's the same thing you and Roden have, you can probably see how I read T3 and why I'm reluctant.
For GrandpaMo he actually seems to be trying to game solve and scum hunt, even if its sporadic and weird. 397, 381, 312, 290, 255, 252 as some examples.

While I'm also here:
ClarkBar and Val89 are my 2 other confident town sided people in my eyes.
Val89 is trying to solve, a lot. 511, 509, 417, 409, 366, 296, 292. As some examples
ClarkBar is doing the same, but maybe not as much. 404, 345, 342, 221, 174. As examples.

Although actually while trudging through some older posts:

In post 221, ClarkBar wrote:Regarding the alt thing. I was annoyed that Nancy used a past experience with Grandpa to defend/justify the gameplay style they were using that got them to E-1 fairly quickly but then decided to not disclose the game in question. I wanted to skim that game for similarities to this one to get a better read on if what Nancy was saying was true and informed this game and Grandpa's play-style better. Why bring it up if we can only take her word for it? It felt to me that Nancy was advocating for Grandpa during his push and that pinged me so I wanted to explore their past relationship/interactions.

Ultimately I was too lazy to sleuth the game out, and I wasn't motivated to bother Nancy about it.

Seemed like a dead end. I will check out the link provided by Val later.

Nancy do you have some reason not to scum read/scum lean ClarkBar for the bolded section? Boiled down the only difference between the bolded section and what I'm doing is I'm voting you. So either this means you would scum read ClarkBar for this, or you're just OMGUS voting me.

In post 576, Psyche wrote:i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

In post 576, Psyche wrote:i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

In post 515, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 512, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 509, Val89 wrote:Nancy,

Alright; James has said several times they don't beleive meta reads are ever helpful in sorting slots, but I disagree because I've read games where they have been.

Providing one link to one game where you do something being read as scummy as town and then say "see, it actually makes me town, and everyone who's played with me before who doesn't see that must be scum" isn't going to wash however.

Before I could even entertain that, I would need to see at least

2

(not just one) town games, and at least one scum game where you

don't

do the said OMGUS-ing (although I disagree that's the correct term for what's happening). I made an attempt to fish them out myself but I've so far come across team games and stuff with weird 'stump' mechanics and other business I can't really get my head around to decide what your alignment actually was in order to follow the games. Since you obviously have a better command of the games you've played in, would you be able to provide links to another town game, and at least one fairly recent scum game where you don't do this?

Can you also explain, if you omgus sr/vote in pretty much every game(456), or use your vote as a device to stop you "doing something actually toxic" in response to a pecieved push (474), what do you consider the town utility to the back and forth you had with Psyche about the utility of splashing your vote around without being confident it's landing on scum in 183-188?

There are tons of games where I do this and if you do the metadive, you will very easily find them. My point is it happens in most of my games so James is sr me off of playstyle basically, so it’s actually a lot more than just meta.

I voted you because you were really upsetting me earlier and when I tried to get you to stop by saying I would ignore you, you just kept continuing and I was literally on the verge of losing it on you because of it. I wanted you to stop because I didn’t want to say anything that could possibly get me banned from this queue. I wouldn’t say that part was typical. I legit did feel bullied and intimidated by the specific way you were engaging with me, not the sr part. You were like, if you don’t do what I think you should do and be an outright masochist, I’m scum and I didn’t think I should have to put up with that.

That is a very fair question. When I’m not being tunneled, it’s not atypical for me not to vote, so that is true but the fact is I can easily obvtown but being consistently wrongly sr, which I feel has been the case in this game, really kills my WIMk especially when I honestly don’t feel I’ve done anything to warrant it. I got miselimed in a game on MU because nobody would listen to me and I eventually got so disheartened, I gave up and this game is strongly reminding me of that game. When you’re telling the truth and people think you’re lying no matter what you say, you just stop trying. One player actually said to me in that game, that he’d seen nothing good from me”, which completely adversely affected my play. Even when the NK was literally the same person who stopped my miselim on D1, nobody believed me even after that and that’s how I’m feeling rn that people can’t see that I’m telling the truth about my alignment, I don’t see how I don’t get miselimed at some point because I stop caring and that obviously makes everything just worse but I really do feel I’m not being listened to in this game and I just don’t know how to get through to people that I really am town. :/

In post 472, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 462, Nancy Drew 39 wrote: Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

Once again I implore you to point out a single town sided thing you've done this game. You're relying on meta instead of actually being town sided. You aren't trying to help town, you just want to coast/lurk.

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to read over all of your previous games, they may be busy with exams, work, maybe they just don't dedicate a lot of time to mafia. Why don't you show this hypothetical player something you've done this game that makes you town?

You haven't done anything to convince people you're town apart from "REEEEEEEEEE look at my meta, YOU AREN'T READING MY CHERRY PICKED META YOU SCUM!". So once again if someone doesn't have the time, why would they think you were town from this game Nancy?

In post 581, GrandpaMo wrote:

In post 576, Psyche wrote:i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

so ur scum fake claiming?

In post 583, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 515, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 512, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:

In post 509, Val89 wrote:Nancy,

Alright; James has said several times they don't beleive meta reads are ever helpful in sorting slots, but I disagree because I've read games where they have been.

Providing one link to one game where you do something being read as scummy as town and then say "see, it actually makes me town, and everyone who's played with me before who doesn't see that must be scum" isn't going to wash however.

Before I could even entertain that, I would need to see at least

2

(not just one) town games, and at least one scum game where you

don't

do the said OMGUS-ing (although I disagree that's the correct term for what's happening). I made an attempt to fish them out myself but I've so far come across team games and stuff with weird 'stump' mechanics and other business I can't really get my head around to decide what your alignment actually was in order to follow the games. Since you obviously have a better command of the games you've played in, would you be able to provide links to another town game, and at least one fairly recent scum game where you don't do this?

Can you also explain, if you omgus sr/vote in pretty much every game(456), or use your vote as a device to stop you "doing something actually toxic" in response to a pecieved push (474), what do you consider the town utility to the back and forth you had with Psyche about the utility of splashing your vote around without being confident it's landing on scum in 183-188?

There are tons of games where I do this and if you do the metadive, you will very easily find them. My point is it happens in most of my games so James is sr me off of playstyle basically, so it’s actually a lot more than just meta.

I voted you because you were really upsetting me earlier and when I tried to get you to stop by saying I would ignore you, you just kept continuing and I was literally on the verge of losing it on you because of it. I wanted you to stop because I didn’t want to say anything that could possibly get me banned from this queue. I wouldn’t say that part was typical. I legit did feel bullied and intimidated by the specific way you were engaging with me, not the sr part. You were like, if you don’t do what I think you should do and be an outright masochist, I’m scum and I didn’t think I should have to put up with that.

That is a very fair question. When I’m not being tunneled, it’s not atypical for me not to vote, so that is true but the fact is I can easily obvtown but being consistently wrongly sr, which I feel has been the case in this game, really kills my WIMk especially when I honestly don’t feel I’ve done anything to warrant it. I got miselimed in a game on MU because nobody would listen to me and I eventually got so disheartened, I gave up and this game is strongly reminding me of that game. When you’re telling the truth and people think you’re lying no matter what you say, you just stop trying. One player actually said to me in that game, that he’d seen nothing good from me”, which completely adversely affected my play. Even when the NK was literally the same person who stopped my miselim on D1, nobody believed me even after that and that’s how I’m feeling rn that people can’t see that I’m telling the truth about my alignment, I don’t see how I don’t get miselimed at some point because I stop caring and that obviously makes everything just worse but I really do feel I’m not being listened to in this game and I just don’t know how to get through to people that I really am town. :/

In post 472, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 462, Nancy Drew 39 wrote: Psych should never be sr me for the things that Val outlined in red because I deathtunnelled a slot in both Forrest Fire and the tm game. In both cases, they flipped town but you outright refusing to click that link to my tm game - which completely dismantles the case anyone is sr me here for and anyone who’s actually town and isn’t okay with potentially miseliming me absolutely needs to read it.

Once again I implore you to point out a single town sided thing you've done this game. You're relying on meta instead of actually being town sided. You aren't trying to help town, you just want to coast/lurk.

Let's say somebody doesn't have the time to read over all of your previous games, they may be busy with exams, work, maybe they just don't dedicate a lot of time to mafia. Why don't you show this hypothetical player something you've done this game that makes you town?

You haven't done anything to convince people you're town apart from "REEEEEEEEEE look at my meta, YOU AREN'T READING MY CHERRY PICKED META YOU SCUM!". So once again if someone doesn't have the time, why would they think you were town from this game Nancy?

I literally linked a recent game for you. How much time and effort would it have taken you to click it?

In post 581, GrandpaMo wrote:

In post 576, Psyche wrote:i'm a fakeclaimer what can i say
my father was a fakeclaimer and his father before him

so ur scum fake claiming?

In post 588, Val89 wrote:Psyche, you didn't need to say that either... :neutral:

Just everyone shut up and log off, will you?

In post 590, Psyche wrote:look
i just thought it over real hard and decided i couldn't let james get away with such a bad claim
if he flips town then god that sucks and i accept all blame if the town loses
but in the end mafia is about having fun and i live for the thrill

In post 566, JamesTheNames wrote:

In post 562, GrandpaMo wrote:wait im confused, val can u give me like what happened in the past 2 pages

Yea so Psyche fake claimed Jailkeeper, and the apparent Tracker just hammered me despite Tracker/Doctor being a thing.