Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:48 pm

VOTE: Thor

maybe we can get another wagon going with this

Miss Midnight · Post Post #576 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:48 pm

In post 565, Titus wrote:I think Thor might be a good wagon. Thor ignoring my reachout is bugging me. He's a big stats guy...until asked to follow up on it.

Yeah, posting the most common positions for scum and then who that would correspond to in this game in 326 felt like a really bad attempt at shade.

House · Post Post #577 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:54 pm

In post 574, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 573, House wrote:Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.
Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.

You seem to understand his perspective better than I, can YOU tell me how I came across in bad faith?

He made a clear "I'm going to follow the crowd" post, then got evasive when i asked him about it.

How does that make ME into the bad guy, here?

House · Post Post #578 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:02 pm

In post 326, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Draft positions of 45 scum in 15 PYP games:

1st - xxxx
2nd - xxxxx
3rd - xxx
4th - xxxx
5th - xxxxxx
6th - xxx
7th - xxx
8th - xxx
9th - xxxxx
10th - xx
11th - xx
12th - x
13th - xx
14th - xx

(most of the credit goes to hoopla)

Positions 2nd, 5th, and 9th...

Miss Midnight 8
Harvey and Haley 69
Enchant 4

Why didn't you list me along with Enchant? I also picked 4. Couldn't we have been listed the other way around?

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #579 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:04 pm

Penguin's 534 implies he is doing something deliberate rather than blindly sheeping. Which is a post you later say you missed, but from his perspective, it looked like you were just ignoring it.

House · Post Post #580 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:06 pm

In post 579, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Penguin's 534 implies he is doing something deliberate rather than blindly sheeping. Which is a post you later say you missed, but from his perspective, it looked like you were just ignoring it.

Looks dodgy to me. I'm more of a straightforward kind of guy.

My apologies to Penguin.

Miss Midnight · Post Post #581 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:07 pm

In post 577, House wrote:
In post 574, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 573, House wrote:Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.
Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.
You seem to understand his perspective better than I, can YOU tell me how I came across in bad faith?

He made a clear "I'm going to follow the crowd" post, then got evasive when i asked him about it.

How does that make ME into the bad guy, here?

This is the last thing I'll say on the subject given that I want you to drop it. Calling someone a follower, then saying they're evasive and then saying "there's totally nothing wrong with being a 'follower', nope no bad connotations here" probably has a tendency to piss someone off. It also looks like you're trying to piss said person off. There is an inherent negative connotation in calling someone a "follower", and I think it would be bad faith to not recognize that.

That's the explanation of why you come across as bad faith. Here's the explanation of why you're wrong: helping form wagons doesn't mean that you're a "follower", or that you trust other people's judgment more than your own. Helping form wagons or just voting by yourself both have the same goal in mind, to generate reactions to analyze. It's just one of many possible methods of forming reads, and one that I would say is decently effective.

House · Post Post #582 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:08 pm

In post 579, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Penguin's 534 implies he is doing something deliberate rather than blindly sheeping. Which is a post you later say you missed, but from his perspective, it looked like you were just ignoring it.

I mean, i replied with snark on his typo, but i missed whatever implication he was going for in the first part of the post.

House · Post Post #583 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:11 pm

In post 581, Miss Midnight wrote:There is an inherent negative connotation in calling someone a "follower", and I think it would be bad faith to not recognize that.

All I'll say is that i believe this is a matter of opinion.

Following is not, in and of itself, a Bad Thing. There are very few things that are inherently Bad Things.

Context matters. That's what i was looking for.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #584 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:12 pm

I agree it was subtle, so I believe you guys were genuinely talking past each other.

Now that we've cleared that up, let's all hold hands, do a little dance, and vote Thor!

Miss Midnight · Post Post #585 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:12 pm

In post 583, House wrote:
In post 581, Miss Midnight wrote:There is an inherent negative connotation in calling someone a "follower", and I think it would be bad faith to not recognize that.
All I'll say is that i believe this is a matter of opinion.

Following is not, in and of itself, a Bad Thing. There are very few things that are inherently Bad Things.

Context matters. That's what i was looking for.

It doesn't matter what your opinion is of the meaning or connotation of the words you use, what matters is the interpretation of the people whom you're talking with. That's communication 101.

House · Post Post #586 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:16 pm

In post 584, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I agree it was subtle, so I believe you guys were genuinely talking past each other.

Now that we've cleared that up, let's all hold hands, do a little dance, and vote Thor!

I'd like to see his response to 578. That has me curious.

Cat Scratch Fever · Post Post #587 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:23 pm

In post 564, House wrote:
In post 561, PenguinPower wrote:Mmhmmm. Nice try.

No, the nice try is to you for trying to bait me off Gamma.

If he isn't going to have actions taken against his ban baiting from above, I'm staying parked here.

Do you have a link to the post(s) that you were referring to here? I don't see where this happened.

ISO · Post Post #588 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:25 pm

In post 574, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 573, House wrote:Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.
Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.

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In post 577, House wrote:
In post 574, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 573, House wrote:Feels to me like he didn't like our interaction and has been trying to "turn it off" before suspicion sets in on him.
Yes, he doesn't like your interaction and has been trying to turn it off. I sincerely doubt this is because of his alignment.

I recommend you just drop it.
You seem to understand his perspective better than I, can YOU tell me how I came across in bad faith?

He made a clear "I'm going to follow the crowd" post, then got evasive when i asked him about it.

How does that make ME into the bad guy, here?

"bad guy" is not the phrase i'd use. penguin has been on his front foot so far this game, and intending to temporarily back-seat is clearly because he wants someone else to do something else. don't think it was deliberately bad faith-ey of you to assume he was slacking, but i do think there was more to his comment.

VOTE: thorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchantthorenchant arhghgh

VOTE: enchant

House · Post Post #589 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:29 pm

In post 587, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
In post 564, House wrote:
In post 561, PenguinPower wrote:Mmhmmm. Nice try.

No, the nice try is to you for trying to bait me off Gamma.

If he isn't going to have actions taken against his ban baiting from above, I'm staying parked here.
Do you have a link to the post(s) that you were referring to here? I don't see where this happened.

Paranoia, mostly.

I was frustrated with the lack of responsiveness and actually on the post page to submit my vote for him because of his evasiveness when i changed my mind and said that instead.

House · Post Post #590 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:41 pm

In post 576, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 565, Titus wrote:I think Thor might be a good wagon. Thor ignoring my reachout is bugging me. He's a big stats guy...until asked to follow up on it.
Yeah, posting the most common positions for scum and then who that would correspond to in this game in 326 felt like a really bad attempt at shade.

I'd say his shade, if that's what it was, was ineffective, considering it looked like he stated a townread on you and has not voted any of the 3 players in that post.

Confusing, for sure.

ISO · Post Post #591 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:45 pm

haha imagine having stat analysis be a scumtell for you haha that would be so wild haha
imagine

haha

Harvey and Haley · Post Post #592 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:50 pm

In post 335, House wrote:Except for the fact it wasn't without content, whatevs.

Can you quote that comment, please? I meant specifically about Enchant.

-Harvey

House · Post Post #593 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:51 pm

In post 592, Harvey and Haley wrote:
In post 335, House wrote:Except for the fact it wasn't without content, whatevs.
Can you quote that comment, please? I meant specifically about Enchant.

-Harvey

I haven't voted for Enchant... but i approve of the wagon on them.

I voted Manatee. It's literally the first post in my ISO.

House · Post Post #594 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:52 pm

In post 304, House wrote:
In post 259, Miss Midnight wrote:
In post 257, Harvey and Haley wrote:
In post 255, Miss Midnight wrote: There's nothing compelling or convincing that I could tell you at this stage. I just got a towny feeling reading her posts up to that point.
Sure. I don't need compelling/convincing anyway, I just wanna look at the thought processes.

Any thoughts on ManateeGal's reaction (or lack of one) to her wagon?

-Harvey Specter
Frozen scum. The most recent pop-in was pretty blatant.
With the way site meta seems to be going lately, i can buy this.

VOTE: ManateeGal

Oh, and hi. Y'all won't see too much of me through the week, but I'll be around.

Harvey and Haley · Post Post #595 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:54 pm

In post 369, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 366, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 289, Harvey and Haley wrote:Who's in the mood for some sweet, sweet RQS?

-Harvey Dent
On page 12? Calm yourself two-face.
Oh yeah I wanted to reply to that
It’s kinda late for an RQS at this point, ngl I kinda think it might be legitimately scummy

There we go, I was wondering if the mere

mention

of RQS would be attacked as scummy without even actually doing it

@House: I acknowledge your comment on Manatee! My tiny concern was about how there was an Enchant counterwagon that formed just before that, and you made the Manatee vote without mentioning your approval of the Enchant wagon.

-Harvey

Harvey and Haley · Post Post #596 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:55 pm

Also, House, you were Shortaru right? Remember me by any chance?

-Harvey

House · Post Post #597 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:57 pm

In post 595, Harvey and Haley wrote:@House: I acknowledge your comment on Manatee! My tiny concern was about how there was an Enchant counterwagon that formed just before that, and you made the Manatee vote without mentioning your approval of the Enchant wagon.

Enchant wasn't even on my radar... which isn't a great sign for them from my perspective.

And, they haven't posted for the last 12 pages... during "work hours", i get that (my posting is greatly restricted while i work), but it's pretty late now, yeah?

House · Post Post #598 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 5:58 pm

In post 596, Harvey and Haley wrote:Also, House, you were Shortaru right? Remember me by any chance?

-Harvey

Vaguely, maybe? But it WAS years ago sand my memory sucks.

Harvey and Haley · Post Post #599 (ISO) » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:00 pm

In post 597, House wrote:Enchant wasn't even on my radar... which isn't a great sign for them from my perspective.

And, they haven't posted for the last 12 pages... during "work hours", i get that (my posting is greatly restricted while i work), but it's pretty late now, yeah?

Sure, but I'm clarifying my stance about the specific timing of your two posts back then. Enchant may not have been on your radar because of their posts but the wagon forming

on them

was blatantly there.

Also I'm not really grokking the House-tw-Gamma interactions a few pages after that. Where's my morning coffee?

Yes, it was years ago, I just remember it was fun

-Harvey