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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:51 am
by Circle Shape
what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:55 am
by Heart Shape
RE Triangle, still null for me. I'm not sure if they're serious about their hero solve or just using it to sort people. I think the Red/Traingle pairing could be volatile though just because others seem to be seeing things in them that I'm really not. Whoever, I think Orange, said something about me simplifying Blue's read on Triangle as larping and thus nai, that's exactly what it is.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:57 am
by Heart Shape
In post 575, Circle Shape wrote:what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town
I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:01 am
by Heart Shape
In post 577, Heart Shape wrote:
In post 575, Circle Shape wrote:what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town
I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.
Best time maybe fits better than best way. Not to say that we shouldn't. My main goal this phase was to find a townie player to pair with and maybe develop some prelinary reads. I don't have a full reads list that's for sure.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:20 am
by Circle Shape
In post 577, Heart Shape wrote:
In post 575, Circle Shape wrote:what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town
I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.
i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:12 am
by Heart Shape
In post 579, Circle Shape wrote:
In post 577, Heart Shape wrote:
In post 575, Circle Shape wrote:what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town
I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.
i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part
Take it any way you want. Doesn't make my thinking on this any less valid. I don't know how anyone can have anything but tentative positions until we actually know what's what. Right now people, including myself, are developing reads based on what exactly. We don't even really know what's going on yet.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:19 am
by Heart Shape
In post 518, Color Purple wrote:
In post 512, Color Orange wrote:
In post 257, Color Purple wrote:To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on . Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.
This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?
No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.
I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:37 am
by Color Blue
it is taking tremendous willpower for me to not post in this thread as much as I want to

I am really excited to get the PT so i can post to my hearts content.

I think Orange and Diamond would be a good match, even though I think Diamond is less likely town than Triangle, I am not sure Triangle will ever be productive to talk to in a PT.

It is kind of weird to me that Green would rather have Orange pair with Diamond than pair with Diamond himself if he thinks Diamond is a good pairing.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:07 am
by Color Purple
In post 581, Heart Shape wrote:
In post 518, Color Purple wrote:
In post 512, Color Orange wrote:
In post 257, Color Purple wrote:To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on . Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.
This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?
No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.
I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.
Delaying Pentagon will delay the whole group because Red is a Color and Colors are Modifiers which do nothing without a Power to modify.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:07 am
by Color Purple
In post 583, Color Purple wrote:
In post 581, Heart Shape wrote:
In post 518, Color Purple wrote:
In post 512, Color Orange wrote:
In post 257, Color Purple wrote:To be fair, Triangle remaining unpaired does mean that Pentagon or Star will get delayed based on . Diamond is my opinion, the only null read who I'm uncertain about. Red, being a colour, will have to get paired, eventually.
This gets me thinking. Triangle getting left out, at this point, nearly guarantees Red+Pentagon get delayed. Is that something we would ever want?
No. That's another reason why Triangle should get paired.
I forgot I had this tab open. I wanted to ask how a pair gets delayed, when it's just one player.
Delaying Pentagon will delay the whole pair because Red is a Color and Colors are Modifiers which do nothing without a Power to modify.
EBWOP

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:08 am
by Arrow Shape
I wanna kill Pentagon now tbh. Circle's post on Pentagon is reasonable, but I actually do not think that their string of defensive posts was townie.
It's been awhile since I've seen a player basically say "how dare you scum read me, stop that" with multiple posts while pretending they aren't doing that.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:09 am
by Arrow Shape
Orange gets more town points.
Pentagon goes down some.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:51 am
by Arrow Shape
Town: Orange, Blue, Purple, Circle, Arrow.

Need to sort: Triangle, Star, Pentagon, Green, Red, Heart, Diamond, Yellow.

Ugh.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:51 am
by Arrow Shape
I should've waited and paired with Orange.
RIP.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:24 am
by Pentagon Shape
In post 585, Arrow Shape wrote:I wanna kill Pentagon now tbh. Circle's post on Pentagon is reasonable, but I actually do not think that their string of defensive posts was townie.
It's been awhile since I've seen a player basically say "how dare you scum read me, stop that" with multiple posts while pretending they aren't doing that.
That’s not scum indicative for me ever, at best it’s townie, at worst it’s nia. And yes, since I know I’m town and getting sr for dumb reasons, I will not be quiet about that.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:26 am
by Pentagon Shape
@mod, can you prod Star? It’s over 48 hrs now.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:31 am
by Pentagon Shape
In post 469, Color Green wrote:I think I would trust a Diamond/Orange pair more than I would trust some of the other pairs that have already formed.
Who would you like to be paired with?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:35 am
by Pentagon Shape
In post 141, Star Shape wrote:
In post 139, Pentagon Shape wrote:
In post 22, Color Orange wrote:I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?
I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?
The solution here is to either treat a Delay as a scum claim from the Delayer, or just vote out the Delayer. That's why I volunteered, because if I ultimately end up getting scum read then you can just vote me out, and if I'm town read but a Delay happens then you would know I'm scum.

Best case scenario however is that today we find at least one scum that is a Shape, make them go solo, and then vote them out to get rid of scum and the Delayer at the same time.
But you’re insisting on being the one to be unpaired?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:39 am
by Pentagon Shape
In post 572, penguin_alien wrote:Pairing status 2:

No pending offered from unPaired players

Pairings:
Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle

UnPaired: Color Orange, Color Green, Diamond Shape, Star Shape, Triangle Shape

Day One Phase One ends in (expired on 2021-11-25 16:57:53)
We have five days left and five slots unpaired, I think that’s suboptimal. People need to decide soon before the timer runs out.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:43 am
by Pentagon Shape
In post 507, Diamond Shape wrote:Weekends are busy and suck.

Skimmed to catch up some, taking back the feelings on Blue.

Feel good to some degree about Purple/Arrow/Circle/Blue as top people, reconsidering on Triangle some but it's 1) hard to imagine scum just tunnel vision while also handicapping themselves with a gimmick that has gained them no favors and 2) still feels like bellyaching about gimmick comes from scum somewhere. The Pentagon read is probably wrong at this point (they seem very frustrated that Triangle isn't engaging with them but isn't turning that into a push when I think they could get away with it at this point in time, they just want to actually engage and be read correctly and that is +town). Amenable to their Red read though. So @ 505, T/T (and thanks for the question I know I was a whiny baby earlier).

I'm also amenable to either color pairing... but at this point I don't think people want to pair with Triangle and Star is adamant about getting the Delay so if they want to sort that out between themselves they probably should.
+1

This needs to happen, no way is it it protown for five slots to go unpaired.

@mod what happens if no more pairs form before deadline?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:09 pm
by Pentagon Shape
In post 192, Star Shape wrote:
In post 152, Color Blue wrote: @Star which shape do you want to leave out if we are using that as the elim?
I agree with an earlier sentiment that it would be between Diamond and Heart, and additionally Triangle for me. Snap reaction to Triangle finally posting is to choose them as the elim since their posts are just...bad. However, I can't rule out them just playing like LHF and want to see their progression in the coming days.
In post 167, Diamond Shape wrote:
In post 73, Star Shape wrote:
In post 40, Color Red wrote:Star feels a bit like pandering for town reads too
Not really, considering it's already been suggested that we lim the lone shape anyway.
In post 42, Diamond Shape wrote:
In post 37, Star Shape wrote:It's weird playing a game with no RVS...

Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.
And this one as well, perhaps a bit more. Star, why make this sort of post to volunteer if you're going to undercut it immediately with a preference? It comes across a bit LAMIST-y to me.
Because the main attraction of this game is the anonymity and the pairing. I didn't sign up for this game just to go solo and not use my night actions. However I see an easy way to deal with the lone shape Delayer dilemma and have no problem volunteering if that helps town reach our win con more easily.

LAMIST itself doesn't really mean anything to me. If the plan is to lim the solo shape and you think I'm scum purposely volunteering to put myself in a situation that likely gets me voted out, then I suppose I resolve myself here, don't I?
I don't think that we're deadset on actually killing the person who is left out yet even though it's bandied around so this reply doesn't really mean anything to me either? Like it's by no means concrete so you can just... say things this early and then they don't happen later. Basically we impasse.
I know this, that's exactly why I suggested it. :/

Having someone volunteer to go solo and state that they won't use the Delay makes this problem a lot simpler to deal with. If the solo shape isn't guaranteed to be eliminated, that will hang over the game if they're forced into the position instead of by choice. A shape who is essentially rejected by every color could be scum, which is bad for obvious reasons. But they could also be a disgruntled townie who feels hurt/wants to feel useful, and may use the Delay for emotional reasons. A volunteer circumvents all of that entirely.
The obvious problem with this is unpaired shape could obviously lie about this and still use delayer not to get limmed. I’m still extremely suspicious of you’re wanting to have control of delayer role.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:29 pm
by Pentagon Shape
In post 588, Arrow Shape wrote:I should've waited and paired with Orange.
RIP.
Why “RIP”? Orange can still pair, there are still three unpaired shapes left.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:46 pm
by Arrow Shape
I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:51 pm
by Pentagon Shape
In post 597, Arrow Shape wrote:I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:53 pm
by Arrow Shape
What are some good metrics?