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In post 5749, MURDERCAT wrote:Fair enough, do you think Shelly meets your criteria?

Possible, but with reservations. She's definitely not excluded from the criteria. I'd want to know why she cared on Toog and why she wasn't further up on the wagon.

It might be possible that fitting the scum archetype onto one player might be too tall an order. I never VCAed a game where everyone is a supersaint.

Shelly seemed willing to do any of Noraa/Taylor/Toog

FWIW 1748 was Shelly's first mention of Toog from what I can see

Taylor wasn't a viable wagon, nor did Shelly ever vote Taylor on any given VC. It's a viable distancing strategy. She can claim she voted Taylor but when push comes to shove, she abandons it. Yet she maintains her bell push over multiple VCs.

Assuming shelly scum, I'd look at who Bell pushed aside from Shelly.

I mean I think if Shelly is scum and one of Pooky/Taylor is scum it is more likely to be Pooky but maybe Shelly hard buddies Pooky and it's taylor scum.

In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:

In post 3274, Hectic wrote:

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11]

Toogeloo

:

Hopkirk

,

MURDERCAT

, Titus,

Toogeloo

,

Theta Alpine

,

MUSHSHAGANA

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Noraa

, UNOwen, shellyc,

Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear,

Bell

[2]

Bell

:

Tayl0r Swift,

Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1]

Noraa

:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

Two or three would be scum on this, especially early game final wagon.

In post 5754, MURDERCAT wrote:I mean I think if Shelly is scum and one of Pooky/Taylor is scum it is more likely to be Pooky but maybe Shelly hard buddies Pooky and it's taylor scum.

With the dynamic of the suicide being in play, I find it very difficult to sort legit 1 v 1s versus noise. Scum know they never have to implode their target in a 1 v 1 and can get towncred for their partner by pushing for it too. So Pooky v Taylor is a hard spot, regardless of Shelly's alignment. I really wanted Taylor alive at first but with her taking shots at my activity level that kinda feels scummy.

scum actually have no incentive to be on that wagon

maybe early but not late

In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

this is so stupid im moving you to null

Just mathematically it is hard to get that much town to vote together

In post 5758, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 5746, MURDERCAT wrote:I find it hard to believe that any of those greens are wrong and I also doubt that wagon was all town.

this is so stupid im moving you to null

How is that stupid? It's not proper procedure to color in suspected town names, but he's doing it to check his work. He has two, partially, conflicting thoughts he has to work through.

what incentive does a mafia have for jumping onto an inevitable wagon on a town player near the end when no mafia are in danger and time is ticking down

If scum is posting in thread and not voting with deadline coming it looks weird

In post 5759, MURDERCAT wrote:Just mathematically it is hard to get that much town to vote together

Agreed, but it was a deadline scramble. My thought is that it only happened because Toog volunteered.

i expect mafia behavior near deadline that favors mafia to be what zdenek did - which is basically lurk till deadline without slapping their vote on, not rushing to join a wagon on a green flip ESPECIALLY when the green flip gets to fucking fire a scroll at someone immediately after

In post 5762, MURDERCAT wrote:If scum is posting in thread and not voting with deadline coming it looks weird

That's true. They could prod dodge and claim not keeping up but that would still look bad.

I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it

specifically I would expect the mafia to be at the beginning of the tooge wagon or off-wagon lurking.

for d2 when Fred became "inevitable" I would expect mafia to be rushing to join the wagon near the end but not on it in the beginning

In post 5766, MURDERCAT wrote:I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it

this is moving the goalposts

I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .

In post 5766, MURDERCAT wrote:I agree in general but doubt all 5 scum acted like that. I could be wrong though I'm not betting the game on it

That's the rub. We can say what scum should do, but not all 5 would do it. Some would disagree, some might be mia. Looking at what scum should do is a great way to find the face. Looking in the middle of wagons is where to find sheepy scum. Bla bla bla.

We need counterwagons but we can't really afford them.

If I ever get scrolled with an opportunity to pass, we're doing another rapid lynch day if possible.

In post 5769, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .

That's not an uncommon conclusion. You're townreading shelly and uno. Now the entirety of the Toog wagon. Just who are you scumreading?

how many times do i have to say i want to kill taylor-scum before you guys believe me

In post 5772, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how many times do i have to say i want to kill taylor-scum before you guys believe me

There are other scum. I am coming around on Taylor but still...

In post 5769, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am not saying bet the game on the latecomers to the tooge wagon being town, I'm saying I expect those players to be more likely town than scum -

I find it scummy af you looked at that wagon and came to the conclusion ooh some scum must be on there .

My conclusion was based less on position and more on the fact that having 11 town players vote together with no scum is unlikely