Holiday Dance Party ---- Game Over

[Shiro]

I don't mind your push, I find it strange however that you aren't willing to listen to your strongest townread about me.

[Taly]

Titus?

I haven't heard them express thoughts on them much

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

[GuiltyLion]

I truly think people piggy bagged your read because it easy to hide behind the IC, you can't see it that way because you think I am scum

who? name names

you can't say this and then also call me scummy for vote parking RH9 most of the day

[Shiro]

VOTE: rh9 / alyssa

reason one - my first two scumreads were marci and rh9
reason two - that vote/unvote of norwee is Very hmm

taaaaaly :/

do you wanna say who the next redacted is or?

oh yeah, also the "catboi is scum because bad reads" but like she never voted there? and shiro only mentioned marci once it was very clear she's flipping?

VOTE: shiro/harley

ok this can go

See this progression?

He was voting Alyssa and RH, at the time he was also scum reading Harley.

Then after getting affirmation from you that you think I am scum, he shifted to me being scum and voted there.

Isn't to strange that his view shifted so weakly when he was scum reading RH and was calling his behavior around Marci and norwee very hmm tondigilently trying to yeet me?

[Shiro]

I truly think people piggy bagged your read because it easy to hide behind the IC, you can't see it that way because you think I am scum

who? name names

you can't say this and then also call me scummy for vote parking RH9 most of the day

As I stated before I think Datisi is the scum in your pair.

[Datisi]

Isn't to strange that his view shifted so weakly when he was scum reading RH and was calling his behavior around Marci and norwee very hmm tondigilently trying to yeet me?

god forbid i have multiple scumreads at any given moment?

[GuiltyLion]

Shiro/HQ, if and when Datisi and I flip T-T, will you accept being autolimmed immediately afterwards, before Fire/Andante

yes or no

[Firebringer]

Shiro/HQ, if and when Datisi and I flip T-T, will you accept being autolimmed immediately afterwards, before Fire/Andante

yes or no

let us not plan out chain lims or leaves

[Shiro]

If both of you are town I will seriously consider Harley to be scum.

[GuiltyLion]

I wanna know how much Shiro

really

thinks there's scum in our pair

[Shiro]

I am not gonna lie I can vouch to leave if you both flip town but then be AtEd out of it.

[Datisi]

or, OR, god forbid i am voting a pair that has any chances of actually being voted, considering taly IMMEDIATELY basically vetoed my rh9 vote?

like, how does that vote swap make me scum at all?

[Shiro]

But yea scum Halrey becomes really damn possible if that is the case, possibly with RH9

[Shiro]

or, OR, god forbid i am voting a pair that has any chances of actually being voted, considering taly IMMEDIATELY basically vetoed my rh9 vote?

like, how does that vote swap make me scum at all?

Who cares? Being IC doesn't make them right. Your confidence was so fragile that the moment the IC told you they think I am scum you vote there?

Ain't buying it.

The whole Marci angle about me was iffy at best anyway since her play drastically changed the moment norwee replaced out. I pointed out what I was thinking but you never considered that it could be a shift of thought based on what was happening?

How is that town thought process exactly?

[Datisi]

Your confidence was so fragile that the moment the IC told you they think I am scum you vote there?

it's not about confidence, i'm still thinking rh9 is scum. it's about knowing which yeet is or isn't going to happen. and there's no point in wasting my breath arguing for a rh9/alyssa yeet when the ic basically told me to shut the fuck up there.

[Datisi]

Isn't to strange that his view shifted so weakly when he was scum reading RH and was calling his behavior around Marci and norwee very hmm tondigilently trying to yeet me?

why is this scummy? you can argue that there's no town motivation for this (disagreed but whatever), but what's the scum motivation in immediately jumping ship there?

[Shiro]

Your confidence was so fragile that the moment the IC told you they think I am scum you vote there?

it's not about confidence, i'm still thinking rh9 is scum. it's about knowing which yeet is or isn't going to happen. and there's no point in wasting my breath arguing for a rh9/alyssa yeet when the ic basically told me to shut the fuck up there.

Why do you care what the IC told you to begin with?

They are town not right. And this exact stance makes me think you are scum even more. You try to appease the slot that people might listen to. You want to look good. Not push your reads.

P. Edit

Because it's easier as you said so yourself. It's appeasing the conf town. It won't raise alarms because, conf town thinks so as well.

[Shiro]

Arguing is half what mafia is about.

Arguing can also make you look bad. You wanted a way out of potentially arguing because Alyssa would be a hard think to press, me and halrey not so much. You jumped ship because of it.

[Datisi]

oh my god.

i believe in town cooperation. if i were to start forcing my will against the ic, that is just going to be a waste of time. he's decided he doesn't want alyssa gone today and is willing to let rh9 get to second dance. i am not going to be able to change his mind. he suspects a pair that i already think has scum, too.

will i (a) create a huge argument with the ic trying to force him to make the game go exactly the way i want, or (b) go for the other slot i currently scumread?

like, you seem to think that (1) rh9 was my biggest scumread at the time and (2) that town!me would always always no matter what try to force my biggest scumread to flip, no matter who i have to argue with and no matter what consequences it's going to have on the gamestate. both are wrong.

[GuiltyLion]

You wanted a way out of potentially arguing because Alyssa would be a hard think to press, me and halrey not so much.

I dunno man it feels like arguing Harley/Shiro resulted in like 70+ pages of Harley accusing everyone voting that pair and referencing every game she's ever played in

[Shiro]

Not exactly, I expect to argue because it will create discussions, it will potential force people to slip. It will make scum have to play around the argument, make the ic reassess what the see and think, lots of things.

[Shiro]

You wanted a way out of potentially arguing because Alyssa would be a hard think to press, me and halrey not so much.

I dunno man it feels like arguing Harley/Shiro resulted in like 70+ pages of Harley accusing everyone voting that pair and referencing every game she's ever played in

Yea, which made the game stale, which is pretty much the best state scum want the game to be in.

[Shiro]

Like it was the perfect move for scum to make.

Make the game stale.
Attract sympathy.
And be accepted because of the IC.

[Shiro]

If I am right and Ydrass is also scum. Scum need Tally to be on their side which this accompliced.