Death Curse

[Flea The Magician]

Link to VC.

ok I re-read 2/3 of shelly, and I'm good with this pass. I have no clue on votecounts so not voting there plus noraa wants hammer.
Consider my vote there in spirit.

[Flea The Magician]

She's either L-1 or L-2 anyway if my brainfog has worked it out right.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I just spent all night working on a song that I took from nearly perfect to absolutely ass in the final hour. I have backups, but I'm not happy.

Headed to sleep, but I'm gonna just say: Pooky and Tayl0r are both garbage slots at the moment. Shelly's going down today, so the real question is do we hit the bear or the pop star with round 3? Hey, maybe scummy shelly will oblige in kicking the town half of that pairing and we can hit /all three/ (Shelly, Tayl0r/Pooky, Fidget) in /one day/. That'd be awesome.

I like Fidget for scum still right now, but Gloria's not a townread for me at this stage either. I'm at the stage where POE is closing in on scum and it's just a matter of sorting through bad town at the bottom end of the list. It'd be real nice if the LHF townies could pull a Bell and confirm themselves while I sleep the sleep of late nights, disappointment and self-loathing. Not likely, but you'll never get nice things if you don't ask.

[MURDERCAT]

Shelly's going down today, so the real question is do we hit the bear or the pop star with round 3?

If you are right I think that will be a question you get to decide

[shellyc]

why would I ever scroll pooky who is towntelling so hard, and I trust you guys to sort out t-swift so.

we cant do S-T-S today. im prob just hitting my biggest SR UNO at this point.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you could end my suffering shelly

[UNOwen]

Owno

I think this is my favourite abbreviation of my username I've seen.

Not much to add on shelly scum discussion, it is good that she is getting the scroll. That she did not flip yesterday means we may be about to face the problem of whether we just assume she is scum and aim for her partners on the third shot, or whether we play it safe and aim for the most likely scum in the town shelly world. Who she eventually chooses to curse will be instructive here. I agree with the point that scum shelly pretty well clears Taylor, shelly attempting to wagon Taylor instead of Fred yesterday makes no sense if all three are scum, since that would massively up the chances of S-T-S. Also just reviewing those posts again, lol @ the idea shelly thinks town!Taylor would be remotely leash-able.

[DrippingGoofball]

The Toogeloo wagon is super informative, as I said before, I anticipate 2 or even 3 scum in Titus, shelly and UNOwen. After iso'ing these slots, the least likely player to flip red among the three is UNO.

Shelly and Titus need to walk the plank. UNO, well, we may need that flip for insurance.

[Titus]

Shelly is probably scum. I think this was a heavy bus. I expect scum on the front end of the wagon as this was too easy.

[Gloria Cleary]

its not like hard set gloria. flea could be mafia bussing early but its unlikely that a lot of mafia bussed in the early section of the wagon- more likely they are in the later section after the wagon gained "inevitablility" - just from a behavioral idea.

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Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

Yeah possibly but there’s definitely something strange going on with those 3 slots: Shelley, Fidget, Flea because of the weird associatives of Fred switching his Adorable vote after she switched to Fidget and putting both Shelley and Flea in his hitlist.

If Shelley does flip scum, there’s very strong associatives between Fidget and Flea and same if she’s town.

Yeah sure, Mush. Keep reading my posts with Google translate.

[Noraa]

I wants a vee see!

[Gloria Cleary]

you could end my suffering shelly

You’re suffering? Probably the only way I ever get the scroll is if Mush gives it to me. She is probably the only townie who would.

[Gloria Cleary]

I wants a vee see!

Don’t you have to hammer first?

[Noraa]

Yeah I feel kinda weirdly about this whole gloriavmush
I feel like mush is reading too hard into it or something cuz it feels very much TvT just with two stubborn souls.

[Noraa]

I wants a vee see!

Don’t you have to hammer first?

I donut think so. Hectic can bless us with a vee see without anyone being hammered

[Noraa]

But I do wanna be the hammer. If anyone steals, I'll be upsetti spaghetti.

[DrippingGoofball]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

Gonna peg Tayl0r as town for this, actually.

[Hectic]

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Votecount 3.1

[6] shellyc:

Bell, UNOwen, Tayl0r Swift, MUSHSHAGANA, Titus, Gloria Cleary

[1] UNOwen:

Flea the Magician

[7] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, shellyc, MURDERCAT, Adorable, Noraa, DrippingGoofball, Fidget

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-16 09:35:05).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Hectic]

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Everything was great. With no crazy self-aware flavour to worry about, Hectic was having the time of his life.

A new message popped up in his inbox. It was from Isis.

It read; "Dannflor has managed to deepwolf his way into your game. Don't ask me how he's managed this, but town won't be able to win until he's dead. Get him out of there."

Hectic grumbled. Dannflor had a really bad habit of deepwolfing hard, but this was a step too far surely. Thankfully, his players were smart. Hectic had faith that they could execute Dannflor without any trouble.

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[Gloria Cleary]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

Gonna peg Tayl0r as town for this, actually.

Speaking of which, currently there is a consensus that {Pooky, Taylor} has scum? That'd surely be a quicker list to go thru tho I dont believe that has scum. Pooky and Taylor are both town imo and I'd argue with just about anyone about this atm. If we had to go thru that bracket, I would say we kill one only and if they flip red, we're done. If not, ugh idk.

That’s what I’m saying, if Fred - extremely likely imo - flips red, you really can’t put too much stock into that because he tried to push both a you/LLD team and a Tayl0r/Pooky team and try to push the argument that it was likely scum theatre when it was beyond obvious that it wasn’t.

I was arguing that it might be and you don't have any reason to think it is not.

It would be really interesting if all of these pairings were just wifom on Fred‘s part. I think that all of the evidence either suggests either Shelley > Fidget > Flea if she’s scum or Fidget > Flea if she’s town.

Because 100% agree that Tayl0r is never buddies with Shelley based off of Shelley trying to switch it to Tayl0r. When I metadived Fred, I couldn’t find any other scumgames, so but it just looks really weird if he treats his buddy Tayl0r like that. When did he change his Fidget read, before or after he knew his elim was inevitable?

[Titus]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

Gonna peg Tayl0r as town for this, actually.

Scum promoting scum as town.

[Titus]

Shelly was already planned as today's elimination since Fred’s, so why not FoS a partner?

[DrippingGoofball]

TOWN

(in random order)
DGB
Tayl0r - town due to other players' attacks
MUSHSHAGANA - I can't say I agree with a lot of reads but they seem well thought out
Gloria Cleary - very earnest thought processes.
PookyTheMagicalBear - calling him town to lift his spirits
Bell - cricket poster, I like the clean calls though
MURDERCAT - a lot of idle questions that sound scummy but too many town tells to ignore.
UNOwen - is right about shelly bad faith interactions, so town
Adorable - I love the push on Noraa
Fidget - Analytical and solvey

NULL

Flea The Magician - urgh, this lurksack is hard to scrutinize, I hate their reads list >>>https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12288996
UNOwen - not really null, that's a town read for me, but I have to downgrade due to VCA.

SCUM

Noraa - how has this slot not been yeeted? Trash cricket posting. Cringingly manipulative.
Titus - roller derby scum
shellyc - more of a prediction than a read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Gloria Cleary]

so shelly has been pushing me as scum with fred for a while. and pooky keeps coming in to defend shelly.

Gonna peg Tayl0r as town for this, actually.

Scum promoting scum as town.

You think scum!Shelley would try to derail Fred wagon onto scum!Tayl0r? Also why is DGB scum as opposed to just wrong if Shelley/Tayl0r are buddies?

[Tayl0r Swift]

time to update this:

people who are town:
mush
noraa
murdercat
(me)
adorable
theta
bell
uno
gloria

people who are scum:
fidget
pooky
titus
shelly

unsure of:
flea
dgb

moved uno and bell to town and sorted gloria as town. i just wanna point out that i was mocked for putting titus, shelly, fidget, and pooky as scum.