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i've fucked people over with BP claims, does that mean every BP is scum?

i've fucked people over by claiming guilties on mastin, does that mean i'll never get a real guilty on her?

No. But you would want a rational discussion when you've seen scummy behavior. It is not auto scum, but you aren't confirmed town.

The fact you won't even acknowledge that suspecting you is rational given what I've seen is ridiculous.

Well Titus. I'm town. Pretty much everyone else who has bothered to weigh in seems to see that. You are still stuck on scum reading me because you think I outed you (I didn't, you were already outed), and in doing so messed up some plan or something. You also refuse to evaluate what went down back then rationally. It's all in my ISO and you can see me being very careful to say that I didn't want anyone to claim, explaining why I was asking for the folks not already voting to self vote, etc... and all of that would have totally not happened if I had realized TPTG had already outed you as having made a fake claim on day 1. (If you end up being town, the fake claim day 1 makes sense btw, but it was blown long before I saw the funky vote count).

Cerberus, who is now confirmed town, and who knows me very well IRL and has played many games of mafia with me flat out told you that as scum I would never have made that play. I would have just noted it and killed you once I realized you weren't a tree stump who couldn't be killed.

As our discussion that day escalated, I kept trying to point out that I didn't want a claim and that I wasn't even aiming what I was doing at you (I didn't realize you were lying about being a stump until you claimed and TPTG pointed out you had been outed earlier). I tried to give you ways out so I could carry on with what I thought was hunting for a scum role that screwed with votes. Vote manipulation is totally a thing and usually a scum thing.

There's other stuff since I decided to join back in the game and try for real that puts me pretty solidly in the probtown column, but you just never seem to have updated your priors or re-evaluated me at all. In your mind, I was rolefishing you and the that I repeatedly asked that no townie claim, you just refuse to come off it. That's just not rational on your part. ISO me and pretend it's someone else and read through the entire thing and give it an honest fresh evaluation and you'll come to the same conclusion everyone else who has weighed in has: I'm town.

So ... when you say something like "How long am I supposed to wait to have a rational discussion?", please understand that it is taking a great deal of willpower for me not to give you the snarky response "I dunno, I've been waiting for around a month" ... because I'd much rather be friends and get along than make enemies. But I also value honesty, so you need to understand that the way you have approached this game is highly irrational; not as mere opinion, but in ways that have been objectively pointed out ... and you also need to understand that when people are trying to play a game that requires logic and rational thought and they bump into someone who appears to intentionally be playing illogically and proud of it ... that is ridiculously frustrating. You need to realize that my first instinct was to smack you with the sarcastic reply that I put in quotes earlier this paragraph.

I want to be better than my first instincts.

it's irrational when you're discarding the gamestate and circumstances, as well as the personalities of the players involved, along with the things that have happened since

when people posit ridiculous arguments such as "they might be scum, because i've seen scum do this," you are entitled to nothing more than a ridiculous response

it's anti-town at best, and scummy at worst--- it looks like you're trying to keep your lynch options open when you have half a dozen mislynches to power through

↑ Titus wrote:The fact you won't even acknowledge that suspecting you is rational given what I've seen is ridiculous.

Suspecting him because of something that happened in a prior game is not at all rational. It's exactly the opposite. What happened in that game cannot have had any impact on role/alignment assignment for this game.

Now ... questioning why masons are alive so far into the game is rational; however, there is at least one missing kill, and I feel like there is possibly more than one missing kill. TPTG also gave the town an "iWin" button, and all that needs to happen is either scum kills one of them or we lynch one of them if another day or two passes, and it becomes confirmed and breaks the game.

You don't seem to want to talk rationally about the claim and talk through any evidence for or against. You just keep saying "X fake claimed masons in this other game and it had a bad result so you must be fake claiming" which is completely irrational and cannot be part of a rational discussion.

I'm hardly discarding the gamestate.

You weren't attempted to be shot at. The only missing kills were lurking wolves. Masons not being shot at is a red flag to me.
We're missing at least 2 scums.
I've seen this pattern before.
No one can give me a reason why TPTG is town beyond claiming Mason.
TPTG did not want to vote Pirate Ika after the guilty despite Pirate ika voting him earlier.
Right as we get close and ChiVi claims doctor, TPTG figures out a way to explain the two masons in lylo because wham they are suddenly doctors.
Doctors who always thought of their survival over House that could generate even more conftowns.
Everything they've done has been motivated by their survival.
Is it really a coincidence that Lucian, someone hard townreading me, would be shot over Death and Boonskiies, investigators who can generate even more confirmed towns to break this game wide open?
Pirate ika knows about my VCA and would love to throw it off, thinking its simplistic. He votes TPTG, not a coincidence. Pirate ika never pushes this vote at all, and keeps it on just long enough to be seen on the vote counts.
TPTG has not interacted with Pirate ika with anything that looks like scumhunting.
Their reaction to Ozgin's guilty was to immediately discredit Ozgin. (#2700). The other head (kuribo) says that one of the two has to die. Not exactly a scum push on ika. (2713)
Their interaction to that point is jovial.
It reads like TPTG was testing the waters to see if they could discredit Ozgin, when they couldn't then kuribo comes in and cleans it up.


Pirate ika was hard attacking kuribo out of nowhere.

Cerebus had the masons as null in 3266, and in 3307 TPTG responds by calling them scummy.

Cerebus was shot after I pushed them to verify which game BBMolla was in. If they were hypothetically in the orange game, they'd be more likely than not clear. Yet, they couldn't have that happening.

↑ Titus wrote:Doctors who always thought of their survival over House that could generate even more conftowns.

we DID protect Ozgin N2

and I was townreading mollie until the guilty


so fucking sue me?

If you're a doctor, and you have a player in the game who by your role PM is 100% confirmed town in a game where literally almost every player has claimed, why wouldn't you protect the person that you KNOW can't be fake-claiming?

but honestly i could give a shit anymore


lynch me tomorrow, it confirms toon and hopefully vonflare was telling the truth about the kill flavor because if volcano is the nuking from orbit people than i'm not entirely sure we can protect from that

so titus, we're both agreed


i get lynched tomorrow


do you have any other reads after i flip town and toon's confirmed town?

No we're not getting lynched tomorrow. Get back in the cage.

-UT

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:Doctors who always thought of their survival over House that could generate even more conftowns.

we DID protect Ozgin N2

Then why were you saying you always protected yourself? Why did you stop protecting Ozgin/House to protect yourself again if he was valuable enough to protect on N2? Wouldn't his value just go up?

This is an incredibly asinine discussion we are having. Something something zebras and horses.

Look, I don't make cute plays. I would NEVER claim masons off the bat. in fact, the only reason we allowed it to happen at all was because you dicknuts ran our partner up early.

In other news, I want to lynch Titus. How about we follow one of the people who isn't dragging the game off into the doubting-the-mason-claim weeds

↑ Titus wrote:

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:Doctors who always thought of their survival over House that could generate even more conftowns.

we DID protect Ozgin N2

Then why were you saying you always protected yourself? Why did you stop protecting Ozgin/House to protect yourself again if he was valuable enough to protect on N2? Wouldn't his value just go up?

Because he died Day 3 and you can't fucking protect the dead?

and go back and read my post


i didn't say ALWAYS protected ourselves

Or you shot him.

↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:This is an incredibly asinine discussion we are having. Something something zebras and horses.

Look, I don't make cute plays. I would NEVER claim masons off the bat. in fact, the only reason we allowed it to happen at all was because you dicknuts ran our partner up early.

In other news, I want to lynch Titus. How about we follow one of the people who isn't dragging the game off into the doubting-the-mason-claim weeds

<3 hi tripod

↑ Titus wrote:Or you shot him.

jesus god damn christ

i swear to fucking god titus when this game is over with, don't you ever interact with me again on any site


nor /in for my games

You've doubtcasted everyone who suspected you, but for PI who actually had a guilty on him. Your vote was one of obligation there.

Or you can actually grow up, and not whine about someone suspecting you.

Your play is highly immature.

You can't just accept I have a scumread on you based in reason so you nitpick.

how about you put your reads where your smart mouth are and do exactly as I ALREADY SUGGESTED

LYNCH ME TOMORROW


i could give a shit


tripod, take over, fuck this game and esp titus

we're flipping town, dingleberry


so you best come up with some other reads if you're town

It's you or Drixx. I'd bet my life on it. Given no one trying to shoot you, you actually make more sense.

Drixx's nonsense is actually supported by the VCA given how the wolves went after him.