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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 7:46 pm
by Bell
I guess I'm vying for the position of 'best reads on loss' at this point.
@_@
So far, I'm behind because of my shellyc tunnel.

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:41 pm
by Gypyx
hey still mid-catchup but i'm vt btw

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:47 am
by Dunnstral
In post 5871, Hench Princesses wrote:dunn do you have any theory about why your role is in the game?
I don't know, but I have theories behind how I'm using my role

I don't think this line of thinking leads anywhere

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:54 am
by Dunnstral
In post 5845, superbowl9 wrote:I mean can we get a breakdown of like how dandelion wine is in these hoods? And like what setup info you know/were talking about
Alright, sure.

Dandelion Wine is what I expect from town them in a hood, more actually since they appear to be playing their heart out in the hood. This matches what I know of Cabd when he is town and in a hood, and they have over 300 posts in my hood.

As for what we discuss in the hood: Reads mostly, along with setup stuff, including crumbs and whether power makes sense or not.

And I'm pretty sure they're out of their scum range with the way they are playing.

I'll go ahead and say that I neighborized Deacon Blues as well last night

Does any of this mean anything to you Annie?

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:55 am
by Dunnstral
In post 6675, Spiffeh wrote:I am strongly town reading Dandelion Wine and I know both heads stated they currently have other priorities but they need to get out of the neighborhood and start doing shit in here TIA
They're not that active in the hood today either

Just so you know they're not playing in the shadows

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:56 am
by Dunnstral
My Deacon Blues read:

Probably town, but not to the extent that I have Dandelion Wine as town

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 2:47 am
by Bell
In post 15, Gypyx wrote:With that out of the way

VOTE: shellyCombinedmailmanvanillacop

VOTE: Purple Room - Gypyx

God i'm so fucking tired to watch at the thread, gonna sleep

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:47 am
by SirCakez
Elimination Votecount 3.2

superbowl9 (2) - Brian Skies, Annie Edison
Annie Edison (1) - superbowl9

Not voting (4) - Gypyx, Dunnstral, Bell, Hench Princesses

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

Turnstile Votecount 3.2

Annie Edison (1) - Dunnstral

Not voting (6) - superbowl9, Hench Princesses, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, Annie Edison

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

Purple Room Votecount 3.2

Not voting (7) - Dunnstral, superbowl9, Hench Princesses, Bell, Brian Skies, Gypyx, Annie Edison

(expired on 2021-01-16 22:32:00) remain until day end

With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:38 am
by Hench Princesses
In post 5876, Gypyx wrote:hey still mid-catchup but i'm vt btw
You entered this game as a vt

But you can become the mason

You're capable of great things gx, you have to believe in yourself

You too can be a princess!

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:40 am
by Brian Skies
In post 6770, Firebringer wrote:People are gonnaa do very dumb shit and all you can do is either get angry or laugh it off and continue on. I choose laugh. I think your personal health is way more important than this games end results.
Or they can do like me and drink copious amounts of alcohol.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:44 am
by Brian Skies
In post 6789, Deacon Blues wrote:my personal hypothesis is that a red flip from pooky would make it more likely that whoever the tracker sender is (which is another conversation that probably needs to happen) might be more likely to be scum by virtue of pooky knowing not to make a kill that night. this needs a red flip from pooky before i go anywhere near that path though obviously
I'd be okay with a Pooky flip.

And I'm also currently of the mindset that if there has to be scum in the receiver-sender pairs, I'd probably nuke A50 every time. I'd probably nuke A50 even if we ignored the setup spec.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:01 am
by Gypyx
In post 5883, Hench Princesses wrote:
In post 5876, Gypyx wrote:hey still mid-catchup but i'm vt btw
You entered this game as a vt

But you can become the mason

You're capable of great things gx, you have to believe in yourself

You too can be a princess!
i'd rather be a bulletproof multitasking vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante but okayy fine

i'll finish reading stuff soon also

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:26 am
by Annie Edison
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12479971#p12479971]post 6927[/url], Annie Edison wrote:
In post 6926, petapan wrote:theres this kind of paralelism between all the claimed and known prs between all the threads, claimed protective starting in both threads, two roles that need to be stiled, the receiver pairs

im not saying they all have to be town because i don't know that and it'd be weird (plus all the pr claims are scummy) but things really do seem to mirror each other


and the intent with the turnstiles is obviously to create a logjam where not everyone can get to the other thread to do something useful and that weakens the expected effect of any potential power role

and most of the PRs basically outed themselves day 1 asking to be turnstiled, which is bizarre to me but id almost expect some multiplicity by design because of the whole logjam thing. i would think scum would theoretically have roles that only work on the other side too to give them some incentive to cross over but i dont know. it would still seem to be unconventional to me to ask to be turnstiled right away as scum just to block town and get locked into a pr claim but clearly not everyone thinks like me in that regard

but even saying that, if we split the two threads into pairs

two ivestigatives + a protective + two other gated PRs of some stripe

is not really outrageously far out of line with what seems to be standard balance for mini games in 2020? obv that is complicated by there being other roles and it'd be super dumb if scum just werent trying to get turnstiled but i cant stop thinking about how things seem to mirror
Okay, so you missed some of the parrallels but I’d been looking here too.

Both of us receivers started over there, with our senders over here. The people who seem to be able to work on either side seem to have all start forwards.

Both sides STARTED with a protective. There seems to be. Protective/blocker that can swap over to the other side- we have two claims on the table that fit this grouping from inverter.

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:45 am
by superbowl9
I pretty much lost all solving juice and am going on vacation:

V/LA from the 5th to the 10th


Looking at it fresh today if bell is actually doctor in this thread then skitter must die and vice versa

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:47 am
by superbowl9
However I like sending skitter to us for a night and taking care of it tomorrow. I would like to kill gypyx as well now

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:47 am
by superbowl9
Still going to be on annie though because I am a policy follower

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:52 am
by Hench Princesses
Actually to return to an earlier point

Annie, you at no point knew which thread your tracker was in, right? So when you chose to get turnstiled to this thread *you did not do so knowing that the tracker was in this thread* because you were not informed that the tracker had changed threads until you got their next night action result? In that sense your decision to get turnstiled was in fact NAI and had nothing to do with pro-town mech reasoning?

-E

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:57 am
by superbowl9
^I dont think that's NAI that would be anti-town

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:00 pm
by Annie Edison
I was informed my tracker started on the opposite side of me and saw something (which bulge actually recently asked me again about but I don’t remember what it was) over here from unwnd that made me think it was him. Dunn’s reaction to the claim from Shelly made me realize it wasn’t him, but then when the night action came in from forwards I knew it wasn’t pisskop or Pooky.

As I said, in day two I thought it was Titus until I talked to Cabd

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:02 pm
by Gypyx
so bowl while you're around, you're saying your annie push was just because of policy?

doesn't feel that way at all tbh

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:04 pm
by Annie Edison
Yeah, I suppose that’s fair about Spiffeh peta.

Assuming we use the one in four logic from our set id assume that set follows a similar rule and I expect there’s a fourth in the either side set as well

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:05 pm
by superbowl9
In post 5894, Gypyx wrote:so bowl while you're around, you're saying your annie push was just because of policy?

doesn't feel that way at all tbh
It's policy but I also think there is a great chance we hit scum - they should be penalized for an anti-town action but I also think it's AI that they chose to do that anti-town action

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:05 pm
by Gypyx
In post 5795, Hench Princesses wrote:scum are very likely to have gotten a receiver role this game, and separating the strongman from the tracker makes sense; they are leaving the thread where they know there's an investigative, clearing annie on setup spec makes no sense to me.
don't get this sentance at all tbh, could you like reformulate that

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:07 pm
by Hench Princesses
In post 5897, Gypyx wrote:
In post 5795, Hench Princesses wrote:scum are very likely to have gotten a receiver role this game, and separating the strongman from the tracker makes sense; they are leaving the thread where they know there's an investigative, clearing annie on setup spec makes no sense to me.
don't get this sentance at all tbh, could you like reformulate that
well the second sentence made no sense since I misunderstood something, and the first sense is just setup spec since I think this setup is reminding me of Overkill 2 more than anything else so far, where scum had an amnesiac that got results from town PRs

-E

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:07 pm
by Gypyx
In post 5896, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 5894, Gypyx wrote:so bowl while you're around, you're saying your annie push was just because of policy?

doesn't feel that way at all tbh
It's policy but I also think there is a great chance we hit scum - they should be penalized for an anti-town action but I also think it's AI that they chose to do that anti-town action
okay, that's fair, why are you SR'ing me also? i don't recall you getting over that point in detail