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Like it is a failure of the game design if Snarky hammering themselves is more beneficial than actually trying to hit scum here, I refuse to believe that’s the case. Ideally we could leverage their lim by also removing a universal scum read, or catch scum refusing to hammer and instead turning the lim around on them. At this point Luke pretty transparently Town and the only one I want to take the hammer is unwnd. The Snarky wagon was always going to be a tool for me to find scum and not something I ever expected to result in a hammer from scum.

We got our info that AA9 is likely not scum (although I will still “I told you so” at the end of the game if she played us here) now it’s time for a universal scum read to hammer Snarky, or switch the lim to someone else (unwnd).

In post 5946, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5944, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 5942, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5941, Lukewarm wrote:Why? What is the scenario where voting for someone directly is better then my plan.

That is my biggest issue, is that it seems like you (and not just you, others too) dismiss the plan, but never actually explain why it is worse. Or why it is "playing against your win con" as you put it

Like I have outlined repeatedly, if your solve it right, we win either way. EVEN IF MY PLAN FAILS.

But, if your solve is wrong, then voting for someone outright loses on the spot, but my plan gives us a chance to regroup.

Like, if you were to agree to the plan, you would be able to dictate the exact solve that we try to go with, if that is what it would take for you to get on board :/

i am fine with snarky and scum dying, but i'm not scum and scum won't hammer them, so like who cares

This response did not engage with the point. Like at all.

Like, okay. "scum will never hammer the fishes" -- you are probably right on that. So, scum hammering fishes is likely not happening.

So. I am comparing the other two options:

Town hammering fishes.

We elim ANYONE outright.

If town! "anyone who is not the dragons" hammers fishes,
If town!dragons hammer the fishes, AND THE PLAN FAILS,

If we vote someone out directly,

If you hammer the fishes, and the plan WORKS,

----

And I just can't understand why you, or anyone would be sitting here suggesting we go for the worst possible option right now :/

In post 5950, Spiffeh wrote:a failure of the game design

Like, say, a Scum Beloved Princess in a non-bastard game?

Or, say, a win condition that had to change because otherwise we'd already be in the postgame lobby throwing rocks?

I don’t really expect anyone to follow my game plan, so I’ll be around to make sure a lim is secure but I have nothing else to really say at this point.

I just wanna sheep

In post 5950, Spiffeh wrote:Like it is a failure of the game design if Snarky hammering themselves is more beneficial than actually trying to hit scum here, I refuse to believe that’s the case. Ideally we could leverage their lim by also removing a universal scum read, or catch scum refusing to hammer and instead turning the lim around on them. At this point Luke pretty transparently Town and the only one I want to take the hammer is unwnd. The Snarky wagon was always going to be a tool for me to find scum and not something I ever expected to result in a hammer from scum.

We got our info that AA9 is likely not scum (although I will still “I told you so” at the end of the game if she played us here) now it’s time for a universal scum read to hammer Snarky, or switch the lim to someone else (unwnd).

There is at least a few people still floating around the possibility of scum me, so snarky self hammering is never gonna happen

Yes Medea, I am aware of the other…unfortunate circumstances with this setup, it’s why I can’t be bothered to jump through all these hopes and would rather try to lim scum outright.

hoops*

Yeah the optimal play here is still we GET DATA on two town alignments that is locked in, given cephrirthedragons has decided to pout and stomp their feet like my two year old when I stop her from eating the felt dots used to keep furniture from scratching the hardwood floor about not getting to elim me.

thanks that's very called for

Unwnd continues to dance around the Snarky hammer without committing either way! Everyone take note!

Medea, I am sitting here trying to reason with them. That post never helps :/

im glad i signed up to play a game with my friends so i could get personally attacked really makes me want to do it more

Everyone take note of how my green my ass is.

VOTE: Fishes

Part of mafia is slogging through the unfun parts and still trying your hardest.

What am I supposed to do with "Yeah I refuse to re-evaluate given data in the game or do anything to advance my reads"

i dunno have you considered empathy

Dragons can you put Fishes at E-1.

Thank you.

UNVOTE:

Ceph. Please talk to me.

You guys town read me when everyone else was scum reading me, and I town read you when everyone else was scum reading you. Like, we found each other.

Do you see my 5951.

The fishes are willing to take a dive if it helps town win. If you refuse, then I am getting the feeling that I am going to be the one taking a dive to help town win.

I am not asking you to do something that Ffery, Bell, and myself have all agreed to do. Because that is the best path to victory.

Medea please give me freedom. Someone.

In post 5950, Spiffeh wrote:Like it is a failure of the game design if Snarky hammering themselves is more beneficial than actually trying to hit scum here, I refuse to believe that’s the case. Ideally we could leverage their lim by also removing a universal scum read, or catch scum refusing to hammer and instead turning the lim around on them. At this point Luke pretty transparently Town and the only one I want to take the hammer is unwnd. The Snarky wagon was always going to be a tool for me to find scum and not something I ever expected to result in a hammer from scum.

We got our info that AA9 is likely not scum (although I will still “I told you so” at the end of the game if she played us here) now it’s time for a universal scum read to hammer Snarky, or switch the lim to someone else (unwnd).

I don't think it's that huge of an if that the corruptor's actions could be limited.

otherwise, town has an extremely narrow path to winning. And the path could close after today.

Cabd just enjoys watching me suffer.

You have the power to end this horrible day Cabd.

I'm going to legit hammer. Then I will flip town.

No funny business about it I'm legitimately 100% flipping town and please read this post when you go 'shit I thought he was scum'.

In post 5949, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 5946, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5944, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 5942, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 5941, Lukewarm wrote:Why? What is the scenario where voting for someone directly is better then my plan.

That is my biggest issue, is that it seems like you (and not just you, others too) dismiss the plan, but never actually explain why it is worse. Or why it is "playing against your win con" as you put it

Like I have outlined repeatedly, if your solve it right, we win either way. EVEN IF MY PLAN FAILS.

But, if your solve is wrong, then voting for someone outright loses on the spot, but my plan gives us a chance to regroup.

Like, if you were to agree to the plan, you would be able to dictate the exact solve that we try to go with, if that is what it would take for you to get on board :/

i am fine with snarky and scum dying, but i'm not scum and scum won't hammer them, so like who cares

This response did not engage with the point. Like at all.

the idea that anyone will listen to a dead player is just comedy

Sort of like the comedy that your large theme game was?

Anyone know how many votes are currently on us?

And, are we done discussing shit? It seems like we're back to circling the drain.

yes well, i'm not the great and magical morph the cat, i'm some dumbass who hardly merits the time of day while alive.

VOTE: snarky

please make this day over before i say anything else i'll regret.