In post 5576, Ydrasse wrote:
im a parity cop and i didnt actually get anything of use, i checked catboi + flavor leaf in the event that there were some truly hellbussing shenanigans going on or to see if it was like, a tunnel on a townie gone wrong (which is why i was saying catboi was a later problem not a today problem)ce idk
tbf I don’t rlly buy this, I don’t think catboi signs off on that play ever, and you should know that too
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 5:36 am
by MonkeyMan576
That would be the logical scum play though, is the thing, and there's way more chances for him to roll mafia(4) than town vig(1 or less).
if FL actually flips mafia i'll take the L for that but really its more we got scum afraid of a vig that will shoot accurately tonight and the wagon is extremely scum motivated with people refusing to acknowledge FL buried a scum, defended a wagon on town and tried to convince people off it AND crumbed their role in the monastery last night BEFORE being checked as having a gun.
and then theres people like monkeyman who are just scumsiding town who i really cant be fucked to try to convince because logic doesnt work on them because they think statistics are king, when they forget said statistics involve a non zero chance of the world i'm presenting of being explicitly true
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:21 am
by SCP 682
im still wildly skeptical of 2 gunsmiths existing in the same game
but also consider: there is either a scum doc, a town vig, or BOTH in a setup with 2 gunsmiths and both explain the kill on catboi from FL + the lack of kill elsewhere if you want to pretend like werewolves didnt shoot catboi too after the PR claim.
and also the fact that a vig was placed into the MONASTERY a place where explicitly wolves cant exist so it isnt as easy to clear just anyone out of it + the restriction on FL's role it all just makes sense mechanically
i myself do not get swayed by arguments like this but I know some of you do bc for me it was enough to discard the red check based on the soft in the hood last night and thats enough plausible deniability that makes the check useless.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:21 am
by Enchant
In post 5951, MonkeyMan576 wrote:That would be the logical scum play though, is the thing, and there's way more chances for him to roll mafia(4) than town vig(1 or less).
What
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:22 am
by Save The Dragons
if i have any sway please listen to me when i say FL is not mafia why would he claim vig in the hood last night
if you want to kill FL for having a gun, fine, do it tomorrow. don't do it today when there's a chance he's just a vig here.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:22 am
by SCP 682
regarding the doubt of the gunsmiths: i believe one of them is likely a wolf rolecop who is meant to be a "false" guilty for the actual gunsmith, whichever of the 2 it is(which i believe is in the masonry)
so yeah
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:23 am
by SCP 682
In post 5965, Save The Dragons wrote:if i have any sway please listen to me when i say FL is not mafia why would he claim vig in the hood last night
if you want to kill FL for having a gun, fine, do it tomorrow. don't do it today when there's a chance he's just a vig here.
yeah ngl i thought he was just making a fancy play last night but seeing catboi dead in the grave adds credence to the claim regardless of whatever other actions might have been
In post 5958, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Given that you refuse to say anything actually about the game besides "I gotta feeling" this is kinda funny.
I have nothing but my feelings on the game. I can't get any info. I can't shoot, or redirect, or block. All I can do is vote and judge.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:30 am
by SCP 682
Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.
Try to trust mainly people that confirmed townies say to trust, that includes people confirmed via being killed and flipped.
I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:30 am
by SCP 682
That is to say I think you are extremely transparently town and don't want you to end up being manipulated to win the game for scum at the end.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:32 am
by SCP 682
In post 5969, SCP 682 wrote:Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.
Try to trust mainly people that confirmed townies say to trust, that includes people confirmed via being killed and flipped.
I don't see myself convincing you I'm not mafia here but if I am to die at any point, I ask you to trust FL and also see Enchant + Monkeyman as town, but uh maybe not really listen to them as much. (I'd listen to Enchant if you have no one else to trust at this point).
I think bunny and Save the Dragons are also is possibly trustworthy people who have their head on their shoulders at this point - I don't feel so comfortable giving more names in case I am wrong + the other people I think are town I would rather not lead this game atp.
That is to say trust FL mainly because he has been present in the gamestate the whole game and generally becomes more accurate as the game goes on and I believe he is town.
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:35 am
by Save The Dragons
i urge people to remember the play from yesterday, does FL mafia really stick his head out like that if he's mafia?
do you think it's more likely he's hunting as a town member of the town or as a mafia hunting wolves?
do you really find him more scummy than other people in the game?
if we can figure out if the monkery is all town that can be a powerful tool for town but if it is all town and gets destroyed then it's not useful and i believe at this point it's all town
Posted: Sun May 08, 2022 6:38 am
by Sword of Ducks
In post 5969, SCP 682 wrote:Sword of Ducks, I have a suggestion to you since i know you will be kept alive as an unexperienced person and likely a target for manipulation.
How can I be manipulated if I have no role to manipulate, and I don't listen to any ''advice'' given in a message? (if a messager exists?)