In post 5968, Benmage wrote:
How many scum are alive? Why would scum need fervor when dominating this game.
FARADAY
you suck.
This is the Opposite of How it Works.
Whining and spouting blatantly false information don't help anything.
I'm sorry.... are you suggesting scum need to do anything at this point in the game? Why wouldn't they sit back and soak in the glory.
This towns going to lynch correctly 4 times?
stfu scumbag.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:34 pm
by Titus
Ooba, let us suppose you are town. Why lynch MC? He appears pretty town.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:44 pm
by Alfred Borden
The only times I can think of that I've had real RAWR as scum were at the ends of games I was winning.
You're wrong, unpleasant to play with, and you suck at everything except not getting lynched which you're only good at because you're willing to go lower than everyone else in whining and insults and not caring how much you're hurting town.
This game is not over.
If we lynch correctly today, we are in business.
If my role and one other both succeed, there is even potential for an additional lynch.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:57 pm
by Alfred Borden
Sorry for getting poisonous but it's incredibly frustrating to drag you around after you fakeclaim to get town lynched and then complain about everybody else.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:40 pm
by Benmage
Making myself unlynchable as town seems really bad... o wait... I botched a fakeclaim where we had enough conftowns and enough scum to make it pretty damn good odds. It should've been on you. But myb. Lets see... who else... Naut 1v1'ing goat...zzz and ooba faking on kkb. AND YOU hammering before a claimed PR gets to reveal results.
So yeah.. Blame EVERYTHING on me the guy who doesn't sugarcoat... its the easy way out.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:22 pm
by Cephrir
VOTE: Messiah Complex
In post 5979, Benmage wrote:Making myself unlynchable as town seems really bad... o wait... I botched a fakeclaim where we had enough conftowns and enough scum to make it pretty damn good odds. It should've been on you. But myb. Lets see... who else... Naut 1v1'ing goat...zzz and ooba faking on kkb. AND YOU hammering before a claimed PR gets to reveal results.
So yeah.. Blame EVERYTHING on me the guy who doesn't sugarcoat... its the easy way out.
I almost cannot process this attitude being town. You singlehandedly lynched a townie, and it is somehow not your fault? Shut the fuck up.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:10 pm
by Nautilius
Ooba:
-Passing the coin isn't as big of a deal when he was neighbourized before he could pass it and needed to come up with an immediate claim. I can see why he would not want to claim the Kill, but honestly, what would he claim? His other abilities are his commute which doesn't fit in the flavor for anyone else and the ability to be a ninja?
-Voting SpyreX after you asked him to doesn't seem to be a horribly large deal, but I can see where your point with the other interactions. I don't believe that those interactions stand up to play + claims from other players in the grand scheme of things; in fact, I think Shadoweh with the strongman neighborhood she waited until N4 to activate and picked a townie to activate it with after being rejected by the dragon was a great deal townier than the interactions, and she's my weakest townread. Scum #1 going down on day 3 could easily have weird interactions with scumbuddies; every time a scum dies, you want a few buddies to look pretty good while it happens.
Benmage, you'll notice that when I 1v1ed a townie, it was because I had a power to use and who really is going to pass up the use of a gladiator power. You will also notice that I acknowledged my mistake and am doing countless more than you are to win the game. Town will lynch correctly four times, but it won't be because of you.
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vote: Messiah Complex
I note Titus again tries to defend her other scumbuddy Messiah Complex.
In post 5979, Benmage wrote:Making myself unlynchable as town seems really bad... o wait...
I botched a fakeclaim
where we had enough conftowns and enough scum to make it pretty damn good odds. It should've been on you. But myb. Lets see... who else... Naut 1v1'ing goat...zzz and ooba faking on kkb. AND YOU hammering before a claimed PR gets to reveal results.
So yeah.. Blame EVERYTHING on me the guy who doesn't sugarcoat... its the easy way out.
I almost cannot process this attitude being town. You singlehandedly lynched a townie, and it is somehow not your fault? Shut the fuck up.
Hooked on phonics failed for you. I don't deny the misfire... But to rest the current gamestate solely on my shoulders is laughable.
In post 5979, Benmage wrote:Making myself unlynchable as town seems really bad... o wait...
I botched a fakeclaim
where we had enough conftowns and enough scum to make it pretty damn good odds. It should've been on you. But myb. Lets see... who else... Naut 1v1'ing goat...zzz and ooba faking on kkb. AND YOU hammering before a claimed PR gets to reveal results.
So yeah.. Blame EVERYTHING on me the guy who doesn't sugarcoat... its the easy way out.
I almost cannot process this attitude being town. You singlehandedly lynched a townie, and it is somehow not your fault? Shut the fuck up.
Hooked on phonics failed for you. I don't deny the misfire... But to rest the current gamestate solely on my shoulders is laughable.
I didn't. I rested one lynch solely on your shoulders. Which it literally is. If I was in the business of policy lynches ever nevermind in lylo...
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:16 pm
by Cephrir
lylo-ish*
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:51 pm
by Eddard Stark
Vc error fixed
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:46 pm
by ooba
In post 5976, Titus wrote:Ooba, let us suppose you are town. Why lynch MC? He appears pretty town.
Titus, I'm analyzing patters and trying to figure out which votes are buses\who people want to lynch. MC is a great lynch because he's on everyone's scum team but no one wants to vote for him.
Also I believe Nacho's pressure across the three pages worked - 5957.
MC says didn't vote Alfred at the start of D9 because he didn't think the lynch was viable. And then says "Now I'm voting him because I know that Alchemist is also willing to vote him," - but he TA voted Alfred after he did - so how did he know TA would join the wagon when voted!
Therefore Alfred is the mislynch that scum are desperately trying to push. Messiah is scum.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:59 pm
by ooba
In post 5981, Nautilius wrote:Ooba:
-Passing the coin isn't as big of a deal when he was neighbourized before he could pass it and needed to come up with an immediate claim. I can see why he would not want to claim the Kill, but honestly, what would he claim? His other abilities are his commute which doesn't fit in the flavor for anyone else and the ability to be a ninja?
-Voting SpyreX after you asked him to doesn't seem to be a horribly large deal, but I can see where your point with the other interactions. I don't believe that those interactions stand up to play + claims from other players in the grand scheme of things; in fact, I think Shadoweh with the strongman neighborhood she waited until N4 to activate and picked a townie to activate it with after being rejected by the dragon was a great deal townier than the interactions, and she's my weakest townread. Scum #1 going down on day 3 could easily have weird interactions with scumbuddies; every time a scum dies, you want a few buddies to look pretty good while it happens.
Nacho I'm actually coming around on TA.
I like "Titus/MC/TA/elle" except for one person - I think Titus is town.
- D3 wagons: 3 scum wagons on SpyreX, Zdenek and TA? And all of them ignored Agar?
- And even the most recent MC defence that you've highlighted - don't you think it's kinda obvious? Very weak hedge if scum
I think the last scum would then be Shadoweh. Well VCA says it could be Shadoweh or SafetyDance but
- Quadz going 1:1 on fellow scum SD is kinda-of a weird gambit to say the least
- SafetyDance has wanted to lynch TA a long time. If you look at Shadoweh's posts - she's concentrating more on Alfred and how he could be town
Haven't added the most recent vote counts but here it is
Or he mixed up which of the two people jumped ship to Alfred first. Jesus Christ you guys are grasping as fucking straws right now to paint us as scum. We should have tunneled Alf from the start but we figured that there are 3 other scum in the game with him, maybe we could find one that you all don't have your heads up your asses about to actually get a lynch. I really can't wait to see Alf eventually flip scum, with us alive or dead, and see Nauts reaction to getting so completely played like a bitch.
Or he mixed up which of the two people jumped ship to Alfred first. Jesus Christ you guys are grasping as fucking straws right now to paint us as scum. We should have tunneled Alf from the start but we figured that there are 3 other scum in the game with him, maybe we could find one that you all don't have your heads up your asses about to actually get a lynch. I really can't wait to see Alf eventually flip scum, with us alive or dead, and see Nauts reaction to getting so completely played like a bitch.
So... You weren't voting Alfred because he wasn't a candidate. Now you are voting him because inertia? Even though he still isn't a candidate?
Then this question needs another answer, Formerfish. Desp didn't mean "Benmage" because we were talking about Benmage earlier and he was included in Desp's 4, so he's obviously not the wildcard.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:27 pm
by Nautilius
Ooba - Glad to see you coming around! I'll look again at D3 a little bit later.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:00 pm
by Shadoweh
Alfred forthwith I wouldst appreciate if thou answered mine query regarding yon qt partner
ooba: Your argument be still invalid, mineself be comf super vig whom hadst mine partner quite pronouncedly walketh with I to the vig shot so sucketh mine extistensial male phantom appendage
I had time to edit out all the bad words I called you all the first time thanks notlettingmepostforum
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:03 pm
by ooba
In post 5989, Formerfish wrote:I really can't wait to see Alf eventually flip scum, with us alive or dead, and see Nauts reaction to getting so completely played like a bitch.
So you're saying Naut's town. If Alfred is scum - who are the three scum with Alfred right now?
@Shadoweh: If you're town, you've got to be a bit more active. Just coasting around - with minimal posts on Alfred isn't helping.
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 11:07 pm
by ooba
Magua - you really have to explain your thought process from "Alchemist claimed scum and there's no way we're lynching anybody else" to "Alfred's really the one I want to lynch today"
Alchemist claimed scum. There's no way we're not lynching him today unless someone else wants to claim scum.
But don't fucking put him at L-1 because I want to read Nautilus' magnum opus because Lord knows I do not feel Alfred can be town *at all*.
In post 5816, Magua wrote:Messiah Complex: Weakest of my scumreads, mostly PoE.
The Alchemist: Meh, if your defense is "Yeah, I suck and lurk a lot," it's not really going to make me think any townier of you. A certain je ne sais quoi about the inevitability of his lynch is nice and registers as town, but not really enough to change my mind about anything. Big ol megapost boils down to "Nautilus says I'm scum, but I'm not scum, I just suck" which is so very meh.
Alfred Borden: Number one scumread, with a bullet. Really the one that I want to lynch today.
VOTE: Alfred Borden
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:45 am
by Nautilius
Hell Yes ooba.
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:50 am
by Nautilius
Also - Alfred claim is pseudo confirmable if he targets someone and SafetyDance protects them overnight, or he neighborizes someone like Shadoweh who is probably town but could use some verification. I dont believe Alfred crumbed what he did to set up a scum gambit down the road, the neighborize makes sense for lowered Empire output, don't believe that Tierce couldn't peg Empire with the additional reading power of a neighborhood. Don't see what else Alfred did with the neighborhood where no one else claims neighborized and he suddenly can use it again after Tierce dies.
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:22 am
by Shadoweh
In post 5994, ooba wrote:
@Shadoweh: If you're town, you've got to be a bit more active. Just coasting around - with minimal posts on Alfred isn't helping.
Yeah yeah, I know. Other game I was in that was eating my brainspace ended and I think I remember how to play mafia again so other then holiday crap I should be able to figure something out. I supose I'm asking more out of curiousity because the thought patterns don't mesh together. It's like ignoring the town flip, except the town flip is the person you've spent 4 days talking privately to?
Please don't protect me, I am like the least likely person to get nightkilled in the history of ever in any game, nevermind one in which I've been mostly coasting out of confusion.
No one wants to lynch Alfred anyways, and something something DRAGON FIRE Okay, I could accept that he's not lynched today. Titus and SD are apparently going to get all the clears forever because derp, and Naut and ooba aren't on the table for obvious reasons. Leaving MC, Cephrir, Magua, TA, Benmage. Unless you'd like to put Benmage on the menu and make people smile, and keeping in mind there's 4 scum left, the end result isn't really that complicated, but I get the feeling people don't want to agree on those names.
I've been struck by what's bothering me about Cephrir from yesterday, Re: His weird counterclaim of Benmage with the tracking on some random day, it seems to me there's another way someone could have known Benmage was lying, yeah? His 'clear' wasn't anything close to a clear, he was pushing Ben/Garruk as scum partners (???) and today came out with some angry Benmage needs to claim posturing that never went anywhere. The weak 1 vs 1 that he quietly backed out of reminds me of quadz from earlier. I don't actually think MC sounds like Des-scum, but if that's Fish talking it's not like I can judge that accurately so w/e. I'm probably cooler with Magua scum then the rest of you are despite the KILL ME thing because it's one reason in a sea of confusion surrounding elleheathen that might just be scum that doesn't know what they're talking about. I mean there was that wight thing from Day 1.. I should stop rambling and just vote Cephrir and ask him YO CEPHY WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING AT NIGHT BESIDES NOT TRACKING BENMAGE EH?
##Vote Cephrir
PS SORRY GARRUK IM NOT LISTENING TO ANYTHING YOU SAID BUT TO BE FAIR YOU WANTED TO SHOOT AGAR AND KAYNE SO FORGIVE ME OKAY
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:30 am
by Nautilius
Shadoweh.
You do realize that lynch isn't on the table today, right?
