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Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:01 pm
by Eyes without a face
All caught up (unless new posts while I'm composing this)
Current reads:
[*]Eyes without a face, [*]Nordrom/Mathblade
[*]Save The Dragons, [*]Aristeia/April Ludgate
[*]fua/Enchant, [*]Nero Cain, [*]VP Baltar
[*]fireisredsir, [*]DeasVail, [*]skitter30/Galron, [*]Cape90
[*]Scorpious
[*]Datisi/Titus
[*]Frogsterking, [*]tenebrousluminary
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:04 pm
by April Ludgate
Okay, before I call it, gonna do a reads list
Titus
Fire
Nero
Scorpious
Enchant
STD
Eyes without a face
DeasVail
Galron
_____
tenebrousluminary
Cape
Frogsterking
VP Baltar
Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.
Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.
I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.
There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.
Currently my guess would be the DV slot.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:06 pm
by fireisredsir
what changed from yesterday where you were saying VP was def town?
Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.
Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.
I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.
There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.
Currently my guess would be the DV slot.
What did I do to go from your top read to scum?
How can you or anyone possibly pair me with VP?
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:07 pm
by April Ludgate
In post 5978, fireisredsir wrote:what changed from yesterday where you were saying VP was def town?
I was wrong on Malcolm, Frogster made that comment, and VPB's level of town read on Cape.
Now, I think Cape has a similar amount of equity as scum as VPB/Frog, however, if VPB is scum, I don't think Cape is. If VPB is town, I think Cape is scum.
Tenebrous is almost coming down to POE scum.
I don't really see the point of Frogster saying that line he did as scum with VPB town.
There's likely a scum, 2 if we're living in the Cape scum world, and I think the lower on my 3 townie tiers they are, the more likely they are to be scum. I don't think it's Titus or Fire.
Currently my guess would be the DV slot.
What did I do to go from your top read to scum?
How can you or anyone possibly pair me with VP?
there's a reason you're in that tier. You feel like almost POE scum to me, there were a few of your comments I didn't like that felt agenda pushy this day phase.
Gamestates generally change after a new day because the game plays with more information.
Malcolm flipping town, but I still feel that Frogster-Malcolm-Tene triangle had scum energy within it.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:10 pm
by tenebrousluminary
I wonder if April expected me to town her forever for white knighting me and is flipping because it didn't work.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:10 pm
by April Ludgate
Purple and Pink tier are pretty close to each other, it's really just your attachment to that triangle.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:10 pm
by April Ludgate
In post 5982, tenebrousluminary wrote:I wonder if April expected me to town her forever for white knighting me and is flipping because it didn't work.
A decent wonder, I'd say.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:11 pm
by tenebrousluminary
I dont think you get to put VP scum for being a CW to a wagon you started.
correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.
What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?
- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:12 pm
by tenebrousluminary
In post 5983, April Ludgate wrote:Purple and Pink tier are pretty close to each other, it's really just your attachment to that triangle.
correct. His reads are confirm biased and poorly reasoned.
What are your bulletpoint reasonings for FrogsterScum?
- He voted camped Yeet D1 forever until I started pushing him. This is very unusual to me because I just finished a game with Frogster where he was wild ass voting everyone in the game as town with tinfoil theories. Here, he is timid and afraid to move his vote around.
- The only pushes he has made all game have bene Fua/Enchant, Yeet, Galron and myself. I know I'm town. I know Yeet is town. I think it's highly likely Galron is town. Those are the safe bets, too. Not looking good.
- His reasoning around the Galron wagon yesterday does not hold up to scrutiny. (There is a fairly in depth analysis of this in my big post opening the day, and follow up questioning of Frogster today).
I'm seeing it now. I'll look into possibilities with VPB town/Frogster scum.
In post 1789, fua wrote:Ari wagon is almost certainly pure IMO. I'm less confident that Wu's is and so many people pushing him now that others are getting suspicion makes me wary.
Who is doing this? Wu does not have many votes.
Ari, Deas, and Fire are all putting Wu in their scumreads, Yeet and Skitter are trying to push a wagon on me, and VP is directly staying on Wu still (even if he's the one I least suspect out of the six).
Hot damn, Deas/Fire/my slot were connected all the way back here.
So looking into this slot a bit more, as it's one I need more analysis on, Yeet town/Skitter-galron town pushing Fua, if you see Galron as town, then Fua could be a scum slot. This was a vig claim, correct? and we havent had any vig shots? If scum are informed of Psychologist, this could have been a setup. Hmm. Who is GeneralWu slot?
Titus has made a lot of anti-scum agenda moves, actively going against Math at the expense of getting pushed.
I was scum once, who spent everything I had in the game to pocket Titus, Math was scum, and they had pretty much the exact same dynamic. Took me a bit longer to see it here because I'm not coming from the same perspective, but it seems like they are in the same situation.
Also, Titus was one that was pushing VPB-Nero as possible TvT, which I can see as a possibility, because Cape can be scum.
Titus, as scum who jumped on Malcolm late game, has no reason to defend me the way they have, if anything they had the perfect out to get pressure onto me. I guess it's possible they could try to pocket me, but I have essentially agreed with most of Titus' thoughts on the game, even if they're a little bit different than mine.
@VPB - what doesnt make sense about Galron, he's basically right in the middle.
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:29 pm
by April Ludgate
Cape, Frogster, tene, Enchant is a possibility.
I'm really not worried about #3 and #4, though, i'm just filling those in since they come to my mind.
- His "case" on me from D2 was so stream of consciousness and poorly formed, I have a hard time seeing scum type that up and being like "yes, this is persuasive!"
- He flipped to town reading me D2 at a point when pushing me would have been a much easier scum play and probably helped secure my lim. He similarly was not sold on Galron at E-2 to E-1 range. Again, I don't see much advantage to this as scum beyond a vague effort toward town points. (though if all three wagons at that point were town, maybe that's a good time to score town points?)
- He didn't really pump up the Nero/VP fight in the hood since early game, and has questioned us both pretty fairly I would say.
I don't think this is a slam dunk town case, but like I said before, PoE points much more to Nero here than Cape. I could be wrong, but Nero's arguments with me all game have been so bad faith it is truly difficult to see him as town. Clearing him on amorphous meta reads ain't really gonna do it for me.
