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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:43 am
by Slicey
Kast, I took Egypt, which I believe is the smaller territory, correct?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:43 am
by Slicey
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:47 am
by TDC
Oh right.
Peru is owned by Xtoxm now.
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:05 am
by Kast
@Slicey-
Thanks for the catch.
I also mixed up TDC and xtoxm in the transition from D2 to D3.
I'll fix it and put up corrected maps tonight.
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:02 am
by MonkeyMan576
If this game has come down to guessing weather or not Kast is town or not, I don't see the point. I didn't realize he had so many territories. As far as I am concerned we have to do something about him.
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:27 am
by Kast
@MM-
You've been trying to make this game about
guessing whether Kast is town or not since you were given your territory list. I hardly see why now it is any more pointless than before.
As the survivor, your insistence on trying to kill the strongest player is senseless. You'd be far better off just stacking.
But if this game remains just you, me, and TDC, with Slicey popping in to let us know he's alive, then it will be pretty pointless.
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:06 am
by Green Crayons
Is Kast the guy who has pretty much won the game with his base in Australia?
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:08 am
by Slicey
pretty much
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:59 pm
by Budja
I assume inHim failed to capture (I wasn't actually informed of an attack).
Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:04 am
by Kast
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:03 am
by Kast
Deadline is coming up and nobody's playing...
@MonkeyMan-
I will attack you if you do not remove your vote from me.
VOTE: MonkeyMan, VOTE: MonkeyMan
You've got something like 2 hours to do so.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:48 am
by Kast
Now you have something like 10 minutes unless mod extends the deadline.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:35 am
by Slicey
wow, Kast just provided a clear example of what OMGUS is and is going to attack the survivor. It should be blatantly obvious that he's scum now.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:39 am
by TDC
Kast, please tell me what exactly the problem would be if (and we know how unrealistic this actually is) the Survivor would hypothetically conquer all your territories.
I'm not buying that MonkeyMan
a) knows who the scum are
b) is attacking you to win with them
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:12 am
by Kast
@Slicey-
-Your post fails. You could, arguably, claim that my reciprocal attacks on MM are OMGUS. However, you completely fail to provide any reasons for your conclusion.
If you honestly believe that making a reciprocal attack is a sign of being scum, I suggest you rid yourself of that notion or switch to a more reserved/defensive game approach.
@TDC-
-I thought my clarifications were clear; I don't think MonkeyMan particularly wants to win with scum. I think he wants to convince the town to eliminate all the strong players, regardless of affiliation. He is appealing to scum to assist him in this goal, since it would make things easy for them.
-If MM, or anyone, conquered all my territories, then the town would lose it's (currently) strongest player. We would also be setting a precedent to allow elimination of whoever the currently strongest player is just because that player is strong. This strategy is ideal for the mafia in that they can freely eliminate powerful townies with the cooperation of the rest of the town but avoid getting caught or in trouble by carefully controlling their own growth.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:16 am
by TDC
I really have no clue what you're talking about.
He's the
only
one attacking you.
If our survivor wants to eat you, fine by me.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:20 am
by TDC
Also, you're not reciprocating someone's attack. You're reciprocating the survivor's attack.
Who is guaranteed not to be scum.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:32 am
by MonkeyMan576
I'm not going to remove my vote from you because I still think you are scum. And I encourage others to do the same. The town can't allow their whole game to come down to one player. If Kast is scum the town is toast.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:01 am
by Slicey
Kast, it wouldn't be so bad if you weren't attacking the claimed survivor.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:03 am
by rajrhcpfreak
you all have a couple of hours to get your final vote in. im going to take a shower and stuff...
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:08 am
by Kast
@MM-
Okay, then my attacks will stand as well.
The argument is a two way street. If it is true that Kast=Scum >> Town=Toast, then even more if Kast=Town >> Scum = Toast. From just blind odds, it's 80% that I'm town and 20% that I'm scum.
From game play, the only thing suspicious about me is that I'm the strongest player.
@TDC-
MM has clearly and repeatedly called for others to join his attack on me, so no it is not just about MM attacking me.
Also, the survivor is a player. If you are claiming that we should just let the survivor eliminate everyone, then be direct and say so. Previously you remained silent when I proposed the plan and the town as a whole agreed against following it.
This situation is equivalent to an open role game with a townie roleblocker and a confirmed independent night killing survivor. The town knows that it can win with the survivor and agrees to ignore the survivor. But if the survivor has made it clear that he intends to kill the town roleblocker, the correct move for the roleblocker is to block the survivor and not ignore him.
Meanwhile, the survivor is helping scum by tying up the roleblocker. He probably doesn't intend to help scum or care about it one way or the other.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:12 am
by Kast
@Slicey-
-If he wants to attack me, I will defend myself. It doesn't matter whether it is a townie, mafia, or survivor that wants to attack me.
As long as I survive, I win (as does the rest of the town).
-This is just ridiculous; Slicey's and TDC's point is essentially a claim that townies should be fine with being eliminated as long as it isn't being done by mafia.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:16 am
by TDC
We neither know whether you're a
town
roleblocker, nor can MM actually kill you.
I don't remember you advocating that MM should just kill everyone.
It does give town rather high chances of winning, though the result will more or less just depend on how far away people are from him.
Whether or not MM is calling for your death or not is kind of irrelevant as long as nobody follows. Either way, I don't see how it would justify you attacking him.
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:17 am
by TDC
You have just claimed that YOU earlier argued that townies should be fine with that, because YOU suggested he should just kill everyone.
And now you're calling our point ridiculous?
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:19 am
by Slicey
But Kast, shouldn't you be attacking scum, not a claimed survivor?