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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:59 am

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We've got about a week til deadline. If anyone is interested in lynching someone other than Herodotus, it would be good to say so.

The game seems to be stalling and nobody is saying much.
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:18 am

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Sorry, sorry, sorry, I instantly got swamped with an airspace exam, and it has a lot of numbers that I need to know. I will deal with this prior to deadline, with enough time for you guys to act on it.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:20 pm

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Vote Hero
. I suspect him slightly more than Oman. Kast is obvtown. Banana is obvnotscum. The only way I am wrong is if Psycho is scum. I'm happy with lynching Hero.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:43 pm

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banana 563 wrote:Ok, so it's safe for me to vote for you because if the mafia both vote for you or one mafia one traitor vote for you then someone who isn't town is likely to be nightkilled. Oh, so then we lynch the other one tomorrow! We win!
Well, things could get complicated if there is one traitor, one scum, and one townie alive tomorrow. But yes, it's "safe," even if Kast is town.



At this point, I'm seeing mafia candidates in Oman, KMD, and Kast.



Preview edit:
That scenario I was discussing? I'd now put KMD at the top of the list. If KMD's buddy is Oman or Psycho, he may or may not decide to hammer. If it's Kast, then they are probably hoping they can talk Oman into hammering, as he'd be an easier mislynch/misvig than Psycho would be. But if we're lucky, we can probably lynch one of them today, and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:46 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Kast is obvtown.
This assertion. You have made it twice. Why?
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:49 pm

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Herodotus wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Kast is obvtown.
This assertion. You have made it twice. Why?
Because that's my read and I will push that. How the hell do you see him as scummy? Is there a case against him that I missed?
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:50 pm

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Also, LOL @ OMGUS.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:59 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:Also, LOL @ OMGUS.
It's more of an issue of motive. You, as scum, have a reason to support the wagon on a townie.
Dismissing that as OMGUS is scummy, too.
Kmd4390 wrote:How the hell do you see him as scummy? Is there a case against him that I missed?
I've noticed some things he's done that didn't look very townish. Is there anything that makes him obvtown?
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:03 pm

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Herodotus wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Also, LOL @ OMGUS.
It's more of an issue of motive. You, as scum, have a reason to support the wagon on a townie.
Dismissing that as OMGUS is scummy, too.
So it's not OMGUS, it's just scummy because I'm voting you and you are town? That arguement is actually kinda funny.
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Kmd4390 wrote:How the hell do you see him as scummy? Is there a case against him that I missed?
I've noticed some things he's done that didn't look very townish. Is there anything that makes him obvtown?
More specific please?

He's obvtown because I like his contributions to the game and probably couldn't even BS a case on him if I tried.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:22 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Herodotus wrote:
Kmd4390 wrote:Also, LOL @ OMGUS.
It's more of an issue of motive. You, as scum, have a reason to support the wagon on a townie.
Dismissing that as OMGUS is scummy, too.
So it's not OMGUS, it's just scummy because I'm voting you and you are town? That arguement is actually kinda funny.
If an obv-townie places a vote in 5-player LYLO, is it scummy for someone to immediately follow that vote with their own? This case is obviously not identical, but it's somewhat similar.

Your other question will require a reread to answer. I'm not ready to make a case on him. But a couple things that come to mind are his reaction to Slicey's day 1 case on him, and the reaching he's been doing today.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:33 pm

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Hero wrote:If an obv-townie places a vote in 5-player LYLO, is it scummy for someone to immediately follow that vote with their own? This case is obviously not identical, but it's somewhat similar.
Are you asking me if it's scummy to
blindly
follow or to agree with their opinion and follow? The first is scummy (being town doesn't make someone right). The second is acceptable.
Hero wrote:Your other question will require a reread to answer. I'm not ready to make a case on him. But a couple things that come to mind are his reaction to Slicey's day 1 case on him, and the reaching he's been doing today.
Specific examples work better.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:41 pm

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If tomorrow ends up with one scum, one town and one traitor the best thing to do would be no lynch, then we'd have the prisoner's dialemma.

In the meantime,
Vote: Kmd
because he hasn't really contributed anything useful to us, and he was pretty quick to bandwagon Hero too.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:50 pm

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Also, I'm not intending to vote Hero. I see Psycho to be scummier, and I can't remember him being at all tied to Hero. I could be forgetting something, so let me know if I am.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:02 pm

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Oman wrote:Also, I'm not intending to vote Hero. I see Psycho to be scummier, and I can't remember him being at all tied to Hero. I could be forgetting something, so let me know if I am.
^Obv Herobuddy.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:23 pm

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I suspect Oman and Kmd of being scum. Kast reads town to me. Herodotus I'm reading as neutral. I'm suspecting either him or banana of being traitor, like I mentioned earlier.

And since traitor is the one role we totally can't afford to lynch today, it's either Oman or Kmd for me.

Kmd has the votes now, so it'll probably be him.

But just so Oman doesn't accuse me of ending the Day before he has a chance to speak (since he said he was going to post about me), I'll hold my vote till Friday. I won't be around for this weekend, so that's the latest I can wait.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:42 pm

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Uhh, I'll tell you right now, that with the amount of suspicion on me, not voting for my partner at this point would be pointless. He's likely to be lynched with or without me (with deadline at least), and then I'm tied to him, it just doesn't make sense.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:52 am

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PsychoSniper wrote:And since traitor is the one role we totally can't afford to lynch today,
Not necessarily true. This is only true if the Traitor was not a member of the mafia. Unless this is an admission that you are mafia, I don't see how you can know that.

Why do you believe that Herodotus is the Traitor?

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If you are scum, then not voting for your partner now has a good chance of ending the day with no lynch. With no death reveal, the Traitor has even less information to find mafia.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:56 am

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vote count:

Herodotus (2) Kast, kmd
Kmd (2) Herodotus, banana

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Oman and PsychoSniper
Deadline: Aug 3rd, 9:02am PST
with 6 alive it takes 4 to lynch
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:53 am

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I will vote to ensure a lynch, if that makes any difference.

We can't really afford a no-lynch at this point if I'm counting right.

I'm likely to go higher on KMD than Hero at this stage, but thats not confirmed, I'm not really happy with either of them, especially not with Psychosniper still on the sidelines.


Mod I'm still confused here. If we have less than 4 people on someone at deadline, will there be a lynch?
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:17 pm

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Kast wrote:If you are scum, then not voting for your partner now has a good chance of ending the day with no lynch. With no death reveal, the Traitor has even less information to find mafia.
False. Farside has announced twice that lynches will occur without a majority if the deadline hits.

I'm seeing some troubling issues that could come up tomorrow even if we lynch scum today. I'm hoping that the traitor started as mafia.

I'm trying to decide whether I would consider an Oman lynch. He is the one who seemed to have the biggest change in play from day1 + the beginning of day2 to the second half of day2 + day3. If he went from mafia to traitor, then he's the ideal lynch. But if he is the traitor, and the scumteam is KMD/Kast, then lynching him may hand them the win unless the revolver (a) grants a vig kill, (b) is in town hands, and (c) is correctly targetted.

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I think you said that you had content you had written?
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:23 pm

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Kast wrote:
PsychoSniper wrote:And since traitor is the one role we totally can't afford to lynch today,
Not necessarily true. This is only true if the Traitor was not a member of the mafia. Unless this is an admission that you are mafia, I don't see how you can know that.
You're right, i don't know for sure. Poor wording by me, but I do think the traitor is one we can
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something I want to count on. It's a chance of 2 scum out of 9. I don't like the odds.

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Why do you believe that Herodotus is the Traitor?

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Like I said, the haunt began shortly after he started a discussion about it.

When he voiced his suspicion about banana being traitor, he pointed at banana's series of laughing references.....the first of which took place before the haunt was announced. This indicates that he believes banana was informed about himself turning traitor before it got announced, or possibly that banana did the first laugh to
trigger
the haunt.

Why did he believe that it's possible for traitor to intentionally trigger the haunt himself? Maybe because he
knows
for a fact that he does? Maybe his first question about the haunt was to trigger it? I think it's a possibility.

No one else besides him had attempted to go indepth with the traitor theory, so he's a suspect to me.
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:24 pm

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Oman wrote:I will vote to ensure a lynch, if that makes any difference.

We can't really afford a no-lynch at this point if I'm counting right.

I'm likely to go higher on KMD than Hero at this stage, but thats not confirmed, I'm not really happy with either of them, especially not with Psychosniper still on the sidelines.

When are you planning to post that content you promised?
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:30 pm

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Oman wrote:Uhh, I'll tell you right now, that with the amount of suspicion on me, not voting for my partner at this point would be pointless. He's likely to be lynched with or without me (with deadline at least), and then I'm tied to him, it just doesn't make sense.
It doesn't hurt to wait, since I've already stated when I'll cast my vote. Besides, I don't want you to get away with an excuse for not delivering whatever "content" you promised when the Day ends quick. Deadline lynch on Kmd is fine by me.
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:56 pm

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PsychoSniper wrote:
Oman wrote:I will vote to ensure a lynch, if that makes any difference.

We can't really afford a no-lynch at this point if I'm counting right.

I'm likely to go higher on KMD than Hero at this stage, but thats not confirmed, I'm not really happy with either of them, especially not with Psychosniper still on the sidelines.

When are you planning to post that content you promised?
When I have time, srsly.

I know this is lame, but being in training, I'm constantly shifting my avaliablities. Expect something this weekend (and keep bugging me if you don't get it). I'm really sorry, if it wasn't Classified, I'd send you guys copies of my work so you could understand.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:58 pm

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EBWOP: Deadline is Aug 3rd so I should have time. I'm currently surfing while studying, so this doesn't count as time.
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