Super UPick - Abandoned by mods

[Primate]

We should wait for him to be replaced forever. It's not our duty as players to deal with it. PM the mod to fix it, don't try to deal with it in game. Our tools as players for dealing with issues like this are incredible flawed.

[Iecerint]

Days don't last forever, and Mod-directed requests have been so far unsuccessful. It is absolutely the duty of players to "deal with" lurkers -- by encouraging them to participate or having them replaced. (Or, at least, bolding requests for lurker replacement in-game has been how I've dealt with it and seen others deal with it in every game I've played on this site.)

I agree that our tools for dealing with the circumstances are flawed, though. For all we know, his inactivity is attributable to a game mechanic.

[Primate]

I thinking it's incredibly unlikely a player who is currenly very inacitve sitewide grabbed himself a role that encouraged him to be inactive.

It's absolutely the role of the players to deal with lurking players. Absent players? That's the mods job.

[Iecerint]

Is there a reason you weren't indignant like this when SSK was shooting MS?

[ortolan]

and yer, we should definitely vig him or someone else before lynching him.

Why are you repeating what has already been said without any other thoguhts to go with it?

What would you like me to say exactly? I agree with the sentiments. Drench is clearly inactive independently of this game, dealing with him in-game is unduly punishing the town.

[populartajo]

Empking, please replace drench.

Did you all really need that silly debate?

Iecerint, who do you think is scum?

Spyrex flipping cult isnt a surprise tbh. The chamber's list TM is still nice and dandy. Bad news is that boxman and bogre are both unkillable, right?

[Iecerint]

BM and Bogre have both claimed unkillable. This is demonstrably true in the case of Bogre, since Cobalt shot him D1. This may be implicitly true in the case of BM since there has been only 1 NK in the past 2 nights, but it could also be that the NKer has saved up an NK via Primate's rule.

I have some constrained ideas about who may be scum. Here is my reasoning:

1. I am unrecruitable, or else the scum mistakenly thought I was (due to either the PM discrepancy or past DK recruit failure; see below). (I personally would've risked a recruit based on my claim were I angel-recruiting scum; I didn't notice any soft-claims that'd give them good alternatives.)
2. So either the whole angel business was made-up (e.g. part of a Mod-provided fakeclaim), or there are arbitrary angels out there ala hypothetical BM.
3. If there are arbitrary angels out there, it seems weird that people didn't attack my Metatron claim.
4. So, if there really are angels out there, there was probably only 1, and he happened to be recruited D1. AND it probably wasn't BM, since he was on chamber's list.
5. Since 4 is REALLY remote, I think SX's God-with-angels thing was a Mod-provided fakeclaim that incorporated my flavor.
6. So I think the angel mechanic doesn't exist. That matches my PM, too, which doesn't list my angelhood as part of my role or alignment or anything.

As such, I think the cult probably has some limited flexibility with regard to who they can cult. I say limited because it's unlikely that they can cult the DKers (as I can't be culted, etc.). Unless cult was told that they couldn't cult DKers (I doubt it), I think the cult culted at most 1 player over N1-N2 due to the appeal of culting DKers. (Come to think of it, they probably failed at Cobalt N1 and targeted someone else N2. In either event, I'd say I'm probably still uncultable.)

TL;DR

Angels do not exist as a mechanic in this game.
At least 1 DKer definitely cannot be culted.
DKers probably cannot be culted at all.
If scum started with 3, Drench is the 3rd cult member.
There is at most 1 other scum. That player is not Drench or BM or a DKer.

[Empking]

Pom r4eplaces Drench

[Iecerint]

Nice to meet you. Please give us your thoughts and claim at your leisure.

[Boxman]

Welcome to the game! Just so you know, I'm Cult Mafia.

[Pomegranate]

Hi! I've been loosely following this game for a while, which is why I agreed to replace in. I assumed it would be for Drench.

I will have to wait to claim as I have some issues with my Role PM, and I'm waiting for Emp.

And Box, I know you're scum. I guess the role flip hit you by surprise?

Vote: Boxman

[ortolan]

BOXMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

[Boxman]

oh no

I knew all about the role flip - it was all part of my evil master plan! Mwahahaha!

[Iecerint]

Pome, is nice to see ye again.

However, if you have not claimed within a few days, I will shoot you if SSK hasn't yet. Check my recent post for reasons why. The missing piece of information is chamber's list, which detailed that the starting scumteam consisted of a subset of "Drench, SpyreX, Boxman, MrSquirrel." SX and BM have been proven scum, so I think the list is pretty credible.

[populartajo]

Welcome to the game! Just so you know, I'm Cult Mafia.

Hey cult mafia, do you only recruit or do you also have night kills? Also how many of you are still alive?

And yeah, plz Pom claim in your following post.

[Pomegranate]

I will have to wait to claim as I have some issues with my Role PM, and I'm waiting for Emp.

[Boxman]

why would I tell you sensitive information like that, that'd be crazy!

[Iecerint]

Ye, I saw, Pome. Just making the situation as clear as possible. I wouldn't want you to drag it out indefinitely.

[populartajo]

Iecerint, why are you unrecruitable?

[Iecerint]

It's in my post up there. I'll try to bring out the logic that leads to that, though. All that's really necessarily true is that at least one out of SSK and me is not recruitable.

1. I was not recruited N2 in spite of being dayvig.
2. So either scum targeted me and failed, or they didn't try targeting me.
3. If they targeted me and failed, I am unrecruitable.
4. If they didn't try targeting me, they probably did it because they did not expect me to be recruitable (e.g. because they had failed on Cobalt N1).

It's also possible that SX was roleblocked, I guess. This would assume that culting is a function of SX and not a function of the scumgroup, which may or may not be reasonable. If that's the case, SSK could be scum.

[chamber]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=2711
relevant cause pom is awaiting a responce.

[Iecerint]

[populartajo]

Im finally doing my thesis, so these days Ill post once a day or two. If things get hard, Ill prob ask for a replacement in a couple games. Just letting you all and mod know this.

Bigger post tonight.

[Pomegranate]

[Iecerint]

I want tajo to show me his big post.