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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:43 am

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I'd
vote: Sironigous
for saying a lot of nothing and also trying to put through a specific plan earlier. But I'm doubting others are really jumping onto that.

At this point, I wouldn't be opposed to either a zwet or animorph nomination. But I guess I'm less opposed to the zwet one.

But I guess at this point, the question is either Llama or not. And I can't come up with a case to convince sly to not do it...but I couldn't come up with a case to convince sly to do it either. Let me look back at posts, but if I remember correctly I had a slightly-town view on llama.
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:47 am

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I agree with Llama-town.

I also wanna
vote: Snow_Bunny
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:47 am

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wait, I fail (?)
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:48 am

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SlySly wrote:
animorpherv1 wrote:
farside22 wrote:
replacement nominee vote count:

saberwolf (1) hewitt
Morph (1) Crazy

Note HOH must have a replacement nom in just about 3 hours from this point

This. Hewitt is not on the block, I am, and I don't know why.
This is farside's attempt at tracking the suggestion votes for who is to replace kmd on the block. Refer to my list, farside is just looking for bold post and missed a few. You are not on the block at this point.
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:53 am

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Replacement suggestions and reasoning so far:


Llama(1)
- SlySly (tunneling, lobby for waste of POV, ignoring questions)
zwet(2)
- Mr. finch (non-participation, useless), animo (non-participation, useless)
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- hewitt (policy lynch, suspects won't be helpful)
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- saber (no reason given)
animo(2)
- Llama (crap he pulled), Crazy (ani voted Sens due to Sens replacement request)
siroginous(1)
- pablito (saying a bunch of nothing, push for specific plan earlier)

Less than 2 hours till nomination deadline. Everyone get yours thoughts in now.

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, I meant nothing bad towards you in my statement about your suggestion vote counting. You are welcome to keep a list, but I will be on top of it for these last few hours before the deadline and want to include reasoning. Don't worry about it if you don't want to. :)

animo, I will not count your snow vote until I hear more from you as it seems you may be wanting to change your vote or reasoning.
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:54 am

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SlySly wrote:He is playing exactly like I have seen him play before, but lurking more. I think putting zwet up now would be punishing him for non-participation - null tell. I think putting saber up now would be punishing him for being an ass and trying to win a bet by trying to get evicted - null tell. I would prefer to put Llama up, but I am not sure he would be evicted over you, even though he should be. He has pretty much spent his entire game tunneled on me, where since joining, you have contributed pretty much more than anyone else, though Pablito is coming on strong now too. I have seen a little support for putting animo up, but my main reason for wanting him put up was that I saw a connection to your predecessor but I am beginning to think you are town. He was a part of the stupid avatar bet with saber but that is a null tell as well. Snow and Finch have seen a little support too, but the only reasons I would have to put them up from my perspective is their hypocrisy saying I should have listened to the everyone about my nominees while it is obvious there weren't many actually helping in the process. I would put Paltry up for wasting the POV if I could, but I can't. I do find it very interesting that he and kmd have pretty much disappeared since all that went down.
Just from my point of view (because obviously I would not like to be evicted) if you're looking at my as a pawn at this point I do not think LlamaFluff and Mr. Finch would be evicted over me. I also would not like to see either of them on the block against me because I feel that they're more likely floaters than other players.
Crazy wrote:That might not have been intended as a defense, but it comes across as one.
Oh no I've stated I don't think what SlySly did was the correct move at all, I can understand why he did it but I think there's a time and a place to pit two opposing strong players against each other and I definitely do not think it was this week. Especially with Kmd as one of the nominees.
Crazy wrote:He voted for Sens basically because he requested replacement. I don't like that.
Oh I thought you were referring to animopherv voting for SensFan as HoH which I think he did? I didn't go back to check to see if that's true but that's what I thought you meant. I definitely agree that was a weird ass move on animopherv's part. I would not mind him as a replacement nominee, he's number three in my book.
SlySly wrote:Llama is about to go up. I have already explained why but I will summarize. He has tunneled on me for most of his time in the game and he panic lobbied for Paltry to waste the POV when kmd was in no danger. zwet and saber both null tell reads from my perspective. If people don't want Llama put up, they should quickly present a case as to why someone else is scummy.
I think you need to think a lot more long-term in this game. LlamaFluff has been active, contributing, and generally very thoughtful in his postings. I think whatever disagreements you two have about what to do with the PoV and who should be on the block. I don't think you're thinking what's in the best interest of the floaters in general and you're thinking more of what's in the best interest for yourself. If LlamaFluff is nominated we will be losing one of two players that is committed to this game and most likely a player that is pro-floater. And most likely that player will be me, pretty much LlamaFluff will be a pawn and I will be evicted, without a doubt. I DO NOT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN lol.

I'm almost begging you to not nominate LlamaFluff. I. will. be. evicted. for. sure. And if you say that you do not suspect me that much then you will not nominate LlamaFluff. Nominate a player who we know is not going to be helpful to the floaters in any way, nominate saber, zwets, or animopherv.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:56 am

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pablito, Snow Bunny, Crazy, animopherv, and most likely saber will NOT vote to evict LlamaFluff.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:58 am

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Mr. Finch has also given the impression that he would vote the SensFan slot over another floaterish seeming player. That's 6 to evict me.
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:59 am

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That's 6/11 without even giving into consideration what the other 5 will do, I will be evicted. Do not nominate LlamaFluff if you say you do not want me evicted.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:00 pm

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hewitt wrote: I'm almost begging you to not nominate LlamaFluff. I. will. be. evicted. for. sure. And if you say that you do not suspect me that much then you will not nominate LlamaFluff. Nominate a player who
we know is not going to be helpful to the floaters in any way
, nominate saber, zwets, or animopherv.
I'm interested why it is worded like this. Why not just say us, if you really are a floater?
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:00 pm

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SlySly wrote:animo, I will not count your snow vote until I hear more from you as it seems you may be wanting to change your vote or reasoning.
I'm wonderig if we get 2 votes. If not, then kepe my vote on zwet.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:01 pm

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saberwolf wrote:
hewitt wrote: I'm almost begging you to not nominate LlamaFluff. I. will. be. evicted. for. sure. And if you say that you do not suspect me that much then you will not nominate LlamaFluff. Nominate a player who
we know is not going to be helpful to the floaters in any way
, nominate saber, zwets, or animopherv.
I'm interested why it is worded like this. Why not just say us, if you really are a floater?
"we know is not going to be helpful to us floaters" sounds awkward and I have no idea whether SlySly is really a floater or not so I would not use us in that situation. I would only use us to describe players who I also know to be floaters which would be...well...nobody.
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:03 pm

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animorpherv1 wrote: I'm wonderig if we get 2 votes. If not, then kepe my vote on zwet.
1 vote for the 1 spot open of who will be on the block against hewitt. Your choice is noted.

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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:06 pm

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SlySly wrote:Reminder to everyone. During the eviction voting stage, there is no unvoting. Once you vote, the vote sticks. Think it through, do some reading and digging, before you place your vote after I announce the final nominee.
Did you read what I said in regards to nominating LlamaFluff? Just to restate it, with AT LEAST 6 out of 11 votes I will be evicted.
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:10 pm

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hewitt wrote:
SlySly wrote:Reminder to everyone. During the eviction voting stage, there is no unvoting. Once you vote, the vote sticks. Think it through, do some reading and digging, before you place your vote after I announce the final nominee.
Did you read what I said in regards to nominating LlamaFluff? Just to restate it, with AT LEAST 6 out of 11 votes I will be evicted.
Yes, I read it. I am taking note of what you are saying and thinking it through. There is a 7 day deadline during the eviction voting stage. Votes can't be undone during this stage, hopefully everyone will take a close look at the contributions of those on the block and make the best decision before casting a vote that can't be undone.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:10 pm

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Re-reading Llama, I get a town feel from him. I don't agree with all of his statements, but I sense that his thoughts are coming from protecting the town. I would not support a Llama nomination.

I agree with hewitt's statement that we do need people who are participating and helping look for scum, and I think Llama is trying at finding scum. While that inherently isn't a town tell with the opposing factions at this game, I think it is a benefit to the long-term.

I'm not liking hewitt's desperate pleas, but I'm not saying I would necessarily evict him if he were against Llama either.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:14 pm

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SlySly wrote:Llama's why did you ignore these questions?
SlySly wrote:
LlamaFluff wrote: Its an anti-lynch, not a policy lynch. That is why its so wrong. People arent going to saying "sens cause he is scummy" but "sens because he isnt kmd"
If it was town vs town, why weren't people going to vote kmd because he wasn't Sens? What made kmd the preferred townie to save over Sens? Was there maybe some actual basis about what I was saying about Sens?
Been at work all day hun. Dont always have enough time to post when I am. If you insist on me again stating the obvious though...

kmd is basically viewed as a strong town read by everyone. I dont think anyone apart from you has him at worse then neutral. Sens a few had a slight scum read, but most again were neutral/weak town. To me, saving strong town read is much better then saving weak town read. I can only assume that its the same to everyone else.

You case on sens was pretty much crap, but he still is a better lynch then kmd since low scum flip is better then very low. Make the best of a bad situation.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:15 pm

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SlySly wrote:Yes, I read it. I am taking note of what you are saying and thinking it through. There is a 7 day deadline during the eviction voting stage. Votes can't be undone during this stage, hopefully everyone will take a close look at the contributions of those on the block and make the best decision before casting a vote that can't be undone.
Even though this a Big Brother themed game this is still Mafia, things to not flip around 10 seconds before the vote like they do in Mafia and especially not in this game, against LlamaFluff.
pablito wrote:I'm not liking hewitt's desperate pleas, but I'm not saying I would necessarily evict him if he were against Llama either.
lol How would you feel with the prospect of having to go up against LlamaFluff? Who I personally feel to be one of the top pro-floater players in this game. It's not like a normal game where everybody's at risk of being eliminated, it's either me or him. I do not like that!
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:17 pm

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farside: I am requesting a 3 hour extension of deadline as discussion has picked up greatly and want to give those who could be at work a chance to post before making my final nomination announcement.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:22 pm

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A little more concise "we should kill ani because" case though
animorpherv1 wrote:@kmd:

Yup. Being ignored in this game (to a point) seems like a good idea. It keeps you off the radar and less likley to be up for elimination.
Early we had him basically admitting to him wanting to lurk through the first few days because it apparently is a valid tactic on BB or something. I have no idea about BB, but I do know lurking is bad in mafia. Doing so intentionally is lynch worthy.

When sens replaces out we go from a zwet-wagon vote to
animorpherv1 wrote:Woah.

@Sens: Replacing out because of bad players is a horrible reason to replace out, and if I was mod, I wouldn't allow it. I don't know if your noticing this, but saber has actually started to play. Your being childish, and theres no reason you aren't scum.

vote:SensFan
I already went over why this is very stupid to do, when I push him on this I get a "Yeah im bad at this game" response.

For noms, he is literally mimicking people cases. Reading him in iso you have no clear idea what he is voting anyone for at this point.

I think the biggest thing against him is the super over the top reaction to sens replacing out, him doing that made sens go from what looked like neutral/town to scum. He later acknowlegdes that this is a bad conclusion to draw, but wont move his vote from that wagon. The case on sens from ani is actually worse then what others are putting up on him.
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:22 pm

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Okay listen people, yeah I'm using a little bit of appeal to emotion here, but I'm basically trying to save my own ass. So I'd like everybody to state who they would vote for if SlySly nominates LlamaFluff.

Me v. LlamaFluff

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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:33 pm

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farside: i will make a nomination post as soon as I hear from you, or within the extension if you grant it. thanks.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:33 pm

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I'm starting to think an ani nomination is the way to go, based on the last couple of cases against him.

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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:39 pm

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saber, Sly is not going to listen to you unfortunately.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:40 pm

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hewitt wrote:saber, Sly is not going to listen to you unfortunately.
Doesn't hurt to try.

Oh great and mighty SlySly, will you hear my plea and put animorpherv1 up for eviction?
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