Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Ythan]

And Beef?

[Ythan]

Thank you Lady! Bunny claim!

[Ythan]

When we do determine the lynch we have ample time to discuss any other matters that players may wish to clarify before night.

[Ythan]

I'm adding to your suggestion that we wait a bit.

[Ythan]

Can we get everyone's top two suspects? We're getting pretty far along and this is something I want to be able to look back on.

[Ythan]

Because I did. Please do as we've been suggesting and be more useful if you're going to be confirmed town.

[Ythan]

I get that Impa is unsealed but I think I missed where they became confirmed town.

[Ythan]

Close: there aren't any giant VIs left to today and I'm also trying to be nicer and not spend pages fighting.

[Ythan]

So it's because scum could scum-kill their target which would increase their power as a sealed sage?

[Ythan]

We're probably going to. Definitely going to unless his claim is somehow magical. What's the rush when there are still multiple issues pending?

[Ythan]

Bunny you are ridiculous. I would tell you to pay attention but you're getting lynched so

[Ythan]

You agree with me though. Why?

Not all of them. Even the biggest liar tells the truth every now and then.[/quote]
lol WHAT. Be specific.

[Ythan]

Yo DGB!

Nice way to leave yourself off all the vote counts you accumulated "scum points" for.

Calling players out for not including themselves in their scum calculations is usually dumb. However, since she isn't making judgment calls/doing anything but adding numbers up this is somewhat valid. I'd like to see how she places in her calculations.

[Ythan]

I have more of a problem with her keeping from having to make any kind of a commitment to judgment calls. She can just vote whoever gets the most points.

[Ythan]

Beef please keep away from Lady LD's coattails.

[Ythan]

Just now?

[Ythan]

Is anyone still worried about a night shift?

[Ythan]

If Cupcake had a good reason to think Beef was town Lady LD would know about it.

[Ythan]

^Not necessarily.

It looks a lot like you're pathetically latching onto any shred of evidence that one less than astute player thinks you're town.

If Cupcake had a good reason to think Beef was town Lady LD would know about it.

And what may you be implying hmm? ^^

That it's just a read and nobody should assume you have a good reason for it.

[Ythan]

^Not necessarily.

It looks a lot like you're pathetically latching onto any shred of evidence that one less than astute player thinks you're town.

Or I was pointing out a fallacy...

Except you didn't point out anything. But that's consistent with you not saying anything of substance, just saying that there is something of substance that you won't actually elaborate for some reason. Hint, the reason is that you're full of shit.

[Ythan]

@Ythan: If you think I'm scum, why aren't you voting me? In fact, why haven't you voted at all yet?

Because keep up or read better. I mean damn, I'm pretty sure I've already explained this TO YOU.

[Ythan]

Dear DGB please try harder.

[Ythan]

DGB doesn't need to claim.

[Ythan]

Let's assume for now that DGB is telling the truth unless you have suspect her for something other than the frog.

[Ythan]

It is possible that different heads colored the different orange flips. I think they were all one faction.

Albert, I don't want DGB isn't claiming right now.

[Ythan]

Let's see, she claims to have actioned me and I claim to have some knowledge that she's telling the truth. Use heads. Albert, you FoSing me now is at least kind of plausible but Lady quit being the worst player in the game by sheeping him so obviously.

[Ythan]

DGB if you targeted me and that's your ability then I assume you think I'm town so trust me when I say don't worry about it.

[Ythan]

I didn't notice that. Didn't scum claim Rauru?

[Ythan]

Albert is acting like she took how long to claim? Does anyone who isn't his current sheep and resident drag on town Lady LD think she was stalling? Or that his didn't-strike-out-replacee theory is sufficient? It's near the end and Albert is trying to get quick town-claims and mislynches perhaps.

[Ythan]

Substrike claimed Rauru.

[Ythan]

Messing with the frog...

Look, there exist two plausible solutions to this. One involves you both telling the truth, the other involves you both being scum. (I suppose a third could exist, but only in extraneous circumstances).

For the moment, this is our only lead. Other leads pop up, and I'll pursue those. However, a claim is good, because we get a sense of whether to chase this farther.

In any case, I'm not advocating a quick lynch of DGB. Quite the opposite, I want to see many points of view on this game, and who we should lynch before making any real conclusions.

For example, Mothrax clearly has something to share...

God damn Reck for promising us you are town.

[Ythan]

It's not stalling yet. I mean, the quality of the claim will be enough to determine its validity.

Assuming she posts with a bit of haste.

But not stalling... yet.

Learn to read and quit being a bad actor.

[Ythan]

fear-mongering

This is you talking, really?

[Ythan]

How's that?

[Ythan]

Ythan, let me take you back to earlier in the game. Remember attacking me for defending Cupcake?

This is a similar situation. You have little to no backing in your claim that she is town. So allow me to say this much: Either show me the fact that proves DGB as town (in your opinion) OR stop complaining about my play. It;s the exact same as you have done prior.

No, see, what you have to do if you want to be like me is actually notice how I'm defending her and dispute it rather than just saying "absolute proof or you're both scum". You have to make an effort to actually read, understand, and argue.

[Ythan]

Here's my theory....DGB and Ythan are the last of the two Poe scum, and they can't win with the other one dead because Lady Lambada and Le Cupcake or PGO masons. They decide that they will win together or die together. They swear a silent promise to back each other until the gritty end.

You, too, are ignoring that I'm not just saying "nope dgb town". Because that's not what's important, is it?

[Ythan]

Now there's something.

[Ythan]

Al, if you think it's fake you must think it's a mod-provided fakeclaim. Right? In that case, I don't see your argument sticking.

[Ythan]

Lady LD you are an Albert-sheep and you jump to lynch at every opportunity and you are a horrible horrible town player. Shame.

[Ythan]

Let's see, she claims to have actioned me and I claim to have some knowledge that she's telling the truth. Use heads. Albert, you FoSing me now is at least kind of plausible but Lady quit being the worst player in the game by sheeping him so obviously.

[Ythan]

I don't know why she jumped to the assumption that the frog is somehow wrong. That wouldn't make any sense.

[Ythan]

I didn't call your vote sheeping. Your vote is the latter, the jumping to lynch at every opportunity. Every point you're making against DGB, that's the sheeping. Please, please read before you post. Please.

Please.

[Ythan]

And you guys being all "oohh well we shold give her benefit of the doubt durrr maybe frog wasn't right herp derp maybe she got her pm that way whan nobody else did derp derp durrr"

You're not using your head anymore than LLD.

WHY WOULD I KILL A PLAYER WHEN THE SNITCHING FROG IS ON MY HEAD

Good grief... I can't think you're town anymore. You're probably the one that has messed things up, and you have invested your powers in this gambit, and you want to see me mislynched.

Pretty sure she's town, if that's what you're getting at.

[Ythan]

Al when you're coming up with something like this you probably shouldn't bitch at people you're freshly explaining it to for not reading your mind. You saying they're provided in a scum chat and so are not sent fresh to replacements?

[Ythan]

Lady LD, you are SoooooooooooooooooOoooOoo frustrating.

Are you reading what I'm saying??????????

I am reading what you are saying, but if your only defense is the frog on your head, then I can`t just back off for that.

Would you back off me if all I said was "It makes no sense because of the frog on my head"?

Why don't you tell us why exactly you suspect her instead of asking her to come up with a defense and saying no not good enough. Be concise.

[Ythan]

I have proven to you that DGB is scum. Aikage's fake role PM didn't have the replacees name striked out, Beefster's real role PM did, DGB's fake role PM didn't. DGB is scum. Please let's look at the facts and not give leeway to the scum.

I'm looking at more facts than you. You're just assuming too much based on the few you have and clearly want an easy lynch.

[Ythan]

That's enough for you now that we're down to ten players? Let's at least take a look at known town replacement claims.

[Ythan]

Someone probably just messed with your action.

[Ythan]

I thought we did know what the frog did. Earlier an inspector had the frog and we'd know who he inspected. Are you saying that you think we both missed it and that that supports your me/her pairing?

[Ythan]

NICE FAKECLAIM

I'M SORRY THAT YOU'RE SCUM THIS GAME DGB.

Vote: DGB

Trash.

[Ythan]

What a surprise that beefster died after we confirmed him as town last day though.

How's that? If it's the one thing you actually read I'm hoping you read it well enough to explain.

[Ythan]

DGB may well be fakeclaiming but the reasons she is being attacked do not hold up and so I don't think that she is. I don't know her role or alignment but I'm pretty sure everything else is the truth.

[Ythan]

Answering the questions you are asked to explain how you're town doesn't actually help I still want to lynch you.

[Ythan]

Either DGB and ABR are both town or both scum.

Explain, don't just drop it and lurk more.

REPEAT:

When I was ASKED to replace, I asked what role I'd be replacing into, because at the time, I had done several replacements in row, all of a certain evil faction.

I was sent a role PM outright, within minutes.

I said, OK.

I don't know if it has any bearing on formatting.

Of course it does. He wouldn't edit the PM to show you.

[Ythan]

Albert, Lady, and Cupcake explain why you suspect your suspects. For the latter two, saying "I don't know I'm an idiot" is not the smart answer.

[Ythan]

Give up and let her die, ythan. You're next tonight anyways.

Oh no someone doesn't believe you better attack them. Why did we have to kill the one mason who wasn't complete garbage?

[Ythan]

And get all the town ones correctly? I think that's implausible.

Do you

actually

have this information?

[Ythan]

I really don't like the wife in dgb's replacement reasoning.

You mean her explaining that the mod sent her the PM before she came in? How is that wifom? You have to actually express complete thoughts.

Give up and let her die, ythan. You're next tonight anyways.

Oh no someone doesn't believe you better attack them. Why did we have to kill the one mason who wasn't complete garbage?

Please explain how DGB's play has not been terrible ever since she replaced in?

Look at Albert not supporting his case.

[Ythan]

That's odd.

[Ythan]

Wait a second they DID send you the PM with your name in it but not the original player's. It doesn't make sense that they would not want to tell you who you were replacing.

[Ythan]

Albert, Lady, and Cupcake explain why you suspect your suspects. For the latter two, saying "I don't know I'm an idiot" is not the smart answer.

[Ythan]

DGB is a fakeclaiming boss-scum.

That is all.

Explain your case or die in a fire.

[Ythan]

Al has yet to explain the current status of his case on DGB. Lady LD is sheeping him but is at least paying attention to the game. Cupcake is garbage and is only parroting what other people say without having any thoughtful input or thoughtful thought.

[Ythan]

Wait a second they DID send you the PM with your name in it but not the original player's. It doesn't make sense that they would not want to tell you who you were replacing.

I got the message from dram's account, it was a quick back and forth, I hesitated because of the size of the game, the heavy theme, and then I was scum in all my recent replacements and I wasn't keen on yet another, especially since I know nothing of the theme.

I can only surmise he was in a hurry.

I don't get your explanation that the mods didn't want you to know who you were replacing, which should have been obvious, but showed you the PM.

[Ythan]

"She's scum."
"Okay make a case."
"No just trust me I don't want to make an effort. "

[Ythan]

Let players answer their own questions. Don't let them just say "Yeah what moth said."

[Ythan]

Any townies with votes down either explain them or remove them.

[Ythan]

Mod's on.

[Ythan]

She did just claim. Nobody asked for past actions. You're continuing to criticize her for not doing things you never asked her to do. You know my thoughts on her analysis, though.

[Ythan]

Hey mod, since you're on, how about screening the masons for your next game.

[Ythan]

She has every reason to be suspected if she presents herself as un-pro-townie.

Then make your attack about that. It's more effective and keeps you from looking like rabid scum.

[Ythan]

If she was town, she would do her maximum to help the town.

Is this a joke? I can name two confirmed town in this very game that would dispute this claim.

[Ythan]

I never said I can confirm DGB as town. I said DGB could be (and I think she is) telling the truth about last night.

[Ythan]

Also, I'm baffled myself as to why Cupcake refuses to defend her claims...

It's not baffling. It's because she's an awful player.

[Ythan]

She also never explained how Beefster was confirmed as town.

[Ythan]

YAY HAMMA

Unvote; Vote: BunnyLover

And what exactly was this about?

[Ythan]

I would never have supported DGB here without solid information. Yes, I have more than gut/opinion.

[Ythan]

AW SHIT SON

[Ythan]

Al had more to say about her but nobody has picked up on it to my knowledge.

[Ythan]

Lady I am so proud of you right now! I take back everything I said. Actually I shift it to Cupcake.

[Ythan]

Was Beefster confirmed yes or no.

[Ythan]

Pretty sure Cupcake wasn't the one to come up with that. I may have been the first person to say it, if you mean child-bosses-town/adult-bosses-scum.

[Ythan]

We had him claiming to be a child boss. Who is it that said this morning that he had been confirmed town..

[Ythan]

What a surprise that beefster died after we confirmed him as town last day though.

Oh nevermind, it was Cupcake.

[Ythan]

I find it odd that people did not discuss the possibility of busing (and even redirection but we have 2 re-directors flipped).

I believe I did.

The popular theory is that Ythan is defending his scum buddy.

Hardly popular.

@DTM: Massclaim is not needed yet. DGB is scum.

Because? Oh right you're tunneling.

Regardless, there is no outside conclusive proof that showed Beef as confirmed town.

There was.

Too bad you never did post it and never will explain it.

The owl isn't the sage. He's a reincarnation of the sage. If you knew anything about the game we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Ythan]

It's possible that multiple people hit Beefster.

[Ythan]

All of the quotes are from Zelda Wiki. I checked and that is the character's page quote. As for body guard, it's not overpowered. It's a protection that kills the user if it works.

[Ythan]

If the player would be killed you are instead.

[Ythan]

Saved. Also lol, what's cupcake gonna do when she even bitches away her mason buddy?

[Ythan]

What does your more than gut indicate? Because as I have said, mine indicates only that she is telling the truth about her target last night.

[Ythan]

Do we not believe in scum fakeclaims anymore? Because how does that fit with the dot issue?

[Ythan]

Answer the question. If we have established that scum have been provided fakeclaims, how does an extra period in the claim indicate that she's lying?

[Ythan]

We've seen fakeclaims in the past that I believe we agreed were mod-provided.

[Ythan]

Spoiler:

Since I agree with fate that I've probably got a decent probability of being viged, If you want a full claim, here it is:

I am Rauru, one of the ancient Sages...

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia, Substrike22. You are Rauru. You are the one who originally dubbed Link the “Hero of Time”, so that’s gotta count for something! The land of Hyrule is under attack from certain evil, so it’s time to drag your elderly ass out to the battlefield and help repel the evildoers!

Race: Hylian
Faction: Hero

You are the Sealed Light Sage. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:
Sacred Realm - While you are sealed in the sacred realm, you are able to communicate with the other sages. They are not alignment confirmed. You may still post and vote in the game thread as normal while you are sealed.
Sage of Light - In order to release your medallion and break your seal, Ganondorf must die. You will gain your true abilities if this happens, though you will no longer be able to communicate in the sacred realm.

Active Abilities:
None

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero): You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

sorry guys i was having tecnical difficultes.

whoa i have a big wagon on me!! thats ok tho, it should help with figurin out who is scum. beefster is lookin even scummier cuz he is liyng about what my role does to attack me. i alredy said that i got my vote back. theres probly another scum on my wagon, im thinkin like chronopi but im not sure. i will look at that.

it looks like im at 2 to lynch so i will claim. i dont see why you guys want me too so much, but whatever!

I'm working on something really cool right now! But I think it's going to take a while... If you can wait five or six years, it should be ready. OK?

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

Aikage

. You are

Medigoron

. You run a small blacksmith shop on Death Mountain... though it’s not as good as your brother’s. And you can make some cool things... though they’re not as good as your brother’s. In fact, you know what? You’re tired of being compared to your brother! If you step up and help fight against the evil in Hyrule, maybe you’ll be recognized as a hero...and then people can stop comparing you to your goddamn brother!

Race:

Fiery Giant Goron

Faction:

Hero

You are a

Anti-Sleeper Voteless Untargetable Inventor

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Walls and Grudges

- Your brother, ALWAYS your brother. Well, until your brother dies, your staying behind your walls, so there! Until Biggoron dies, you are untargetable, but also voteless.

Complete Darkness

- As long as Walls and Grudges is in effect, you cannot use Collection Studying.

Active Abilities:

Goron Collection

- You possess 5 inventions, labelled A to E. Each day you may give one of them to a player of your choice, who’ll receive it at twilight. The player who receives it will be given the same info as the one you possess about the invention upon reception.

Collection Studying

- Each night, you may take the time to identify one of your inventions.

Invention A

- ???

Invention B

- ???

Invention C

- ???

Invention D

- ???

Invention E

- ???

Please remember that you can use only one active ability per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

there i claimed, now im probly gonna get nightkilled cause i have a sweet role now that i cna vote and help the town

Do you think these were not mod-provided?

[Ythan]

And you think the scum can't modify their alleged fake claims to suit their needs?

Like by throwing in a period for no reason? Though she may have added that whole line

[Ythan]

Or she may have removed a fourth incriminating action but left the period.

[Ythan]

Except that doesn't make sense because why would she add that line. My idea is better.

[Ythan]

In other words, we don`t have evidence to support this line of questioning, and therefor it will get us nowhere.

The dot is odd. I would like a little more to go on to support the "mods would never let that get through" idea but if it's true then it indicates that the PM was tampered with. That, if true, would be a lie.

[Ythan]

Lady, stop acting like nothing else can get done while we're doing this. If you want something else to happen then do it.

[Ythan]

Because the owl isn't a sage. I said this already. Learn to read.

[Ythan]

The owl isn't the sage. He's a reincarnation of the sage. If you knew anything about the game we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And besides, the claim, if fake, is probably mod-provided, so disputing the flavor of abilities you don't even understand as someone who hasn't played the game is going to be completely useless.

[Ythan]

You're missing the point.

You're missing every point you useless dolt.

[Ythan]

Lady can you use your QT to explain this game to your mason buddy so we don't have to spend a dozen pages filling her in on every thing she completely fails to grasp?

[Ythan]

You being positive doesn't mean much.

[Ythan]

Cupcake, remember how there's a votecount issue regarding DGB? No? Because you don't pay attention?

[Ythan]

The owl is not a sage. Anyone who thinks so, first of all doesn't know the game, which is acceptable, and secondly can't pay attention, which is not.

The owl is a reincarnation of an ancient sage. I don't remember if it ever explicitly says in the game that it's Rauru but I always assumed so.

[Ythan]

One, I already asked Zwet to explain and he hasn't. Two, I didn't say "You all think...". You even quoted me.

[Ythan]

I'm ready for D6.

The flips tonight imo will be particularly meaningful. We should be able to determine the rest of the scum through PoE tomorrow.

worst

[Ythan]

Dumb it down a bit, I feel dim

at the moment

.

[Ythan]

Someone explain a DGB case that doesn't involve her role PM when we have decided ed that there are mod-provided fakeclaims.

[Ythan]

I am willing to hold onto the "she may have deleted a line of text" thing but there has been significant tunneling on her and it definitely didn't all come from that extra period.

[Ythan]

Other scum faction than DGBscum. not that difficult to infer if you read it in context...

Doesn't look that way to me.

[Ythan]

I have no flavor knowledge whatsoever. Does a great fairy claim work with a poisoner ability?

Uh... I'm going to venture at a "no".

WHY? How does a delayed kill (often called poison) not fit? DTM, could you claim the name of the ability without ruining anything?

[Ythan]

Is there any danger in revealing some player's medallions from my investigations?

I have no idea what they mean.

If it's yes/no it tells you who is a sage. If it tells you a specific medallion then it tells you which sage.

[Ythan]

If I am correct, medallions are held by the bosses. Since I don't have one and I am unsealed. Though if it was an unsealed sage they would have the medallion?

Ah! Medallions could be held by adult bosses. I don't remember, do they have the medallions before you beat them or do the sages give them to you?

[Ythan]

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Sage_Medallion

Bosses do not have medallions. At least in the game.

[Ythan]

Because you are scum. With a botched fake claim.

This only fits with mod-provided fameclaims if he edited something around the role name and fucked it up.

[Ythan]

Ythan I bodyguarded with heavy breadcrumbing the day before.

What are you responding to?

[Ythan]

Dear friends and family,

Won't you begin this fresh new year by lynching a guaranteed, scummaliciously scummy scum scum like, mmmm, say, vezokpiraka? I promise you, vezokpiraka is bursting with delicious candies, chocolate bonbons, profiteroles, and New York cheesecake. Treats for everybody!

Hear me now, believe me later.

Love, and a happy 2011!

Because your actions have been so accurate other nights.

[Ythan]

I highly doubt dram would give us 4 ways to identify scum.

I mean, we have UT who was some unknown sort of cop, Exilon the boss daycop, and mafuyu/replacements as POE cop. A fourth would make no sense, especially when the targets for sages have thus far all shown to be scum.

We're already dealing from max scumteams of 4. It just wouldn't be right if there were so many methods for the scum to be exposed considering their numbers in relation to the game.

Did you not realize when posting this that you were listing cops for different kinds of scum?

[Ythan]

And this makes DGB scum because...?

Because all day long she's blaming the frog, claiming shift blablabla, and suddenly she forgets all about it and claims that vezok is scum because he says she didn't target him. Right...

Hey ABR, are you the one that kissed the frog?

You're ragging on me for not recalling the shift, how come you're not ragging on vezok for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING????

Because it's on you and you were talking about it a lot earlier.

[Ythan]

I thought it was some minor flavor thingy.

But isn't it the whole purpose of the ability?

[Ythan]

I highly doubt dram would give us 4 ways to identify scum.

I mean, we have UT who was some unknown sort of cop, Exilon the boss daycop, and mafuyu/replacements as POE cop. A fourth would make no sense, especially when the targets for sages have thus far all shown to be scum.

We're already dealing from max scumteams of 4. It just wouldn't be right if there were so many methods for the scum to be exposed considering their numbers in relation to the game.

Did you not realize when posting this that you were listing cops for different kinds of scum?

Come back when you learn to read.

I know you like to bitch and bitch when you don't have anything to contribute but if you can't even grasp what's going on and defend your statement then go sit in a corner until we wrap this game up. We'll PM you.

[Ythan]

I agree with Katsuki. It is irrelevant that they are for different kinds of scum. That's only because we have multiple scum factions.

Another flavor cop just seems like too much for town.

Explain how one investigator per scum faction is anything like that number of general investigators. Because otherwise the argument doesn't make sense. Derp.

[Ythan]

That's another issue entirely. And it doesn't, really.

[Ythan]

I forget, do sages know each other's sage role PM listed abilities? No probably?

[Ythan]

Her passive ability almost certainly means there's a role-name investigator, if real.

Also, thoughts on Untrod Tripod's cop role?

[Ythan]

The only flip I see so far that could related to a player's actual role name (so it would give Rauru if it hit DGB) is the cheat. I'm not exactly sure how those work though and that's a stretch.

[Ythan]

The tunnel vision doesn't refer to the character's flavor, so I assume if it meant paranoid it would just say paranoid. But what I was calling attention to was another investigative role.

[Ythan]

Since the last VC DTM has unvoted and revoted DGB so she's still at -2?

[Ythan]

I know it isn't as clear cut when we're looking at two-ish factions, but before night I'd like to see top suspects again.

[Ythan]

I was looking through the flips.

Did you notice where chesskid died, it said "sacrificed himself"?

I'm pretty sure we have 2 vanillized players out there...

Beyond that, I'm thinking that a Tunnel-Visioned cop would be paranoid. Not sure what he means by devolving, but I think we can safely assume that

The Deku Tree cop is useless

In other words, it's results are probably false.

My lynch is a big bistake, I've been framed by scum.

Unfortunately, I'm at a disadvantage because I have no clue about flavor mumbo jumbo like the above.

I can only hunt scum in the old fashioned way.

I'm very disappointed with all of you, I thought there would be a few smart ones out there that could figure out the business with the frog, and Beefster's kill. I'm especially disappointed with DTMaster, because my expectations were greater.

This is a riddle, And little effort has been expended to try to solve it. And I can't help because the solution is probably in the flavor.

And guess what? Scum wins when town is lazy. Or filled with flavor-clueless players like myself. I apologize that I couldn't have been more helpful in this regard, and I take my share of responsibility for our now inevitable loss.

I hope there is a dead QT from which I can shout out "I told you so."

Or maybe I should stick to the New York forum...

Come on DGB.

DGB is now at L-1. Wait for DTM to use his vig before the hammer. Thanks.

Why do you want DTM to

waste a vig shot

when

I can just as easily be hammered

, scum?

WHY?

Because we can vig someone and lynch someone.

Unvote

Vote: Vezokpiraka

I cannot stand it. I was willing to let him slide for another day, but that answer was HORRIBLE.

Vezok is almost assuredly Grey scum. Let's do him today.

You are the scummiest confirmed town. We are inches away from the end of the day. Stop trying to shift to another wagon based on...what?

I'm not getting the words that I want today. :<

Also LL's analysis is correct. If we reread Chess and look at his scum list, the remaining people on that since then should tell us who's likely scum. I'd prefer words from both AKR and Mothrax but it's going to stall at this point. I'll reread Chess. If I don't get my cases then I'll shoot and signal for the hammer by tomorrow.

I missed how chess's reads are likely accurate. If anything it should tell us who he vanilla'd.

WTF MODS. THAT REVEAL WAS SUPER LATE

Quite certain this wasn't a new reveal. If you're so worried about the shift keep an eye on it. Right?

[Ythan]

for me

Uhm no. Being confirmed does not mean letting you direct actions is a good idea.

[Ythan]

When 5/8ths of remaining town is scum, I think it does Ythan.

Except you're not particularly...

[Ythan]

I know it isn't as clear cut when we're looking at two-ish factions, but before night I'd like to see top suspects again.

[Ythan]

Your anti-town is showing. Answer the question and stop trying to stifle others from doing the same.

[Ythan]

I asked you again because you didn't answer the first time. And, there's still the matter of you trying to get the lynch through before the other eight players post.

[Ythan]

I also wonder why he ordered players attacked an equal number of times the way he did. If he did give any further consideration to the order I'd like to know what it is.

[Ythan]

The only reason anyone is considering me (I'm giving the masons more credit here than to just say they're sheeping ABR) is because I disputed the case against DGB early on when it was stupid.

[Ythan]

Yeah yeah we already no ythan is not town kthx.

DGB you're being unusually stubborn this game. Can't you just pull another PYP?

Forget everything else. Cupcake thinks I'm scum so I must be town.

[Ythan]

Cupcake isn't paying attention to the game. Are any of the believable cases on DGB related to the frog at all?

[Ythan]

Which I'm not doing, note.

[Ythan]

On top of Al's attempt to rush the day, he isn't even willing to wait for DTM to come back.

[Ythan]

You are so dead tomorrow Ythan it's not even funny. I'm going to lynch you to hell.

It is unfortunate that you are only one player.

I was actually waiting for DTM... He needs to shoot vezok or AKR IMO.

That's why you're lurking?

[Ythan]

Sorry guys I've been busy in preping to get back into classes. I'll read the recent comments and do my decision Thursday.

This better be done.

[Ythan]

DGB you are taking such a narrow view of the events you don't understand.

[Ythan]

She hasn't added anything to the discussion because her analysis of events today is based around a complete misunderstanding of what's going on. I'm ready for night/tomorrow. I can hammer if there's nothing else to add. From anyone, not just you Albert.

[Ythan]

Ythan, you accuse me of rushing the day but I have never encouraged anyone to hammer nor to end the day.

Lol.

Your smear campaign against me, however, is noted.

At least you can note it if you have nothing to actually say.

[Ythan]

DGB, Cupcake is not scum. Not in the informed-minority sense at least. If the mod is going to effectively promise us that a player is town then it's a waste of time to try to second guess that. If the mod is not only going to lie to us but promise that he isn't lying, about a fifth of the total players left in the game now, then there's no point anyway. Assume they're town.

[Ythan]

Is that

why

you think they're scum?

[Ythan]

AKR that is not a lot.

[Ythan]

Then Cupcake's play makes me sad...

This was established even earlier.

[Ythan]

DGB: See Substrike.

What should I look for?

Ugh.

[Ythan]

If you have a flavor question for the flavor experts to answer then ask it.

[Ythan]

If you have a flavor question for the flavor experts to answer then ask it.

Why did Beefster die, why did the frog lie, when I targeted YOU?

We need DTMaster's most excellent Hermione Grainger brains.

Somebody killed him and why do you think it must have lied you still never explained and also those aren't flavor-related as far as I know.

[Ythan]

I said I know you may have been telling the truth about targeting me despite the frog. I

believe

that you did.

[Ythan]

Town:
LLD
Cupcake
Mothrax

Was this supposed to look like a contribution? Yourself and two confirmed town. Why post it?

[Ythan]

Zwet blatently lurks in every large game I've ever played with him.

I'm not seeing the sheeping aspect though.

Stop posting on this account, one iso full of useless fluff is enough.

[Ythan]

After DGB and vezok flip, along with a nice ythan death, tomorrow should look much cleaner.

But then you'd have to, one, be an actual player who thought I was scum for a real reason and, two, make an effort to get me dead instead of "derp I'm a dumbass kill ythan."

[Ythan]

DGB take a hint and stop thinking about the frog. Except oh wait you're dead.

[Ythan]

Except you're wrong.

[Ythan]

It stopped being funny a long time ago.

[Ythan]

It stopped being funny a long time ago.

If I were coaching her the entire time, I would certainly feel the same way.

Too busy with the whole "don't care lynch anyway" strategy?

[Ythan]

vote mothrax

Cupcake don't be dumb.

[Ythan]

Moth I know you used a kill last night. Who did you target?

[Ythan]

I was hoping to have him confess to the kill and claim his target (on already-flipped scum obviously). I actually tracked him, to zwet. I guess a no-ability claim with a track result is still good enough. Moth is scum.

[Ythan]

I'm not a tracker per se. I was planning on possibly claiming today though (actually yesterday if weirdness hadn't set in), especially if I need to to get scum lynched.

[Ythan]

That was a quick 180. And no you aren't sealed. Flipped sage-claimed scum have actually been other characters thus far.

[Ythan]

O.K. well just full claim for me please Ythan

Like I said

[Ythan]

Lady LD, you like sheeping ABR, can explain to your VI partner that I'm town? We're getting too near the end of the game for that slots stupid tunnelvision.

[Ythan]

So...

-waiting-

What are you stalling for?

I'm not stalling, we're like five minutes into the day and only three (real) players have even posted. Stalling would be when you're run up to a lynch and you put it off. This is you saying "I know you initiated this on your own and would have had a fake prepared well in advance if you were lying but I'm ABR and I want it now wah."

[Ythan]

That would be the case were I scum, however, since I am town and you have seen my role pm and I am darunia, I am inclined to believe that you sir are volvagia.

Are you kidding or is this a serious attempt to divert suspicion? "No didn't you see my claim I'm telling you I'm town." Like every lynched scum in this game hasn't had a fake. You're not saying anything meaningful at all.

also stalling a claim is scummy.

Except read.

please explain the first sentence in the above quote as well so that we may know to what you are referring.

"You're scum, no it must have been some mischief (a la dgb's defense), no wait you're scum again and look at my shiny claim in a sea of fakeclaims."

[Ythan]

Albert, I buy your talk here. Moth is flailing and sheeping you and is pretty obv. Claim in next post.

[Ythan]

But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand... a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed the dark one away and gave the land light.

Welcome to Ocarina of Time Mafia,

Ythan

. You are

Link

. You were born during the Hyrulian Civil War, but you were raised in the forest by the Kokiri. Now that evil has begun to overtake the land, it is time for you to step up and fulfill your role as the Hero of Time! It is up to you to help purge the land of evil, but that doesn’t mean you can’t get help from a few friends along the way.

Race:

Hylian

Faction:

Hero

You are a

Excessively Overeager Jack of All Trades

. You have the following special abilities:

Passive Abilities:

Overeager

- Since your pockets are so full and you’d like to empty them, you must use your active ability every night.

Excessively

Overeager

- Since your pockets are

really

full and you’d

really

like to empty them, you action 3 times per night, all of which will hit the same target (except for self-targeting abilities which will hit Link)

Active Abilities:

Item Emporium

- You possess a very large array of weaponry and gear of all sort, all of which can be used once. Your complete list is as follow, divided in 4 categories for clarity:

Killing Items

Arrow

- Kills a player

Bomb

- Kills a player

Fire Arrow

- Kills a player and watches him

Bombchu

- Kills a player and tracks him

Magic Beans

- Kills a player and inspects him (guaranteed sane)

Blue Fire

- Kills a player and removes his vote for the next day

Megaton Hammer

- Kills a player and roleblocks him

Din’s Fire

- Kills the target and all players targeting the target except Link

Normal Items

Light Arrow

- Stalks a player (track + watch)

Hover Boots

- Tracks a player

Bugs

- Watches a player

Mask of Truth

- Inspects a player (guaranteed sane)

Slingshot

- Removes a player’s vote for the next day

Deku Nut

- Roleblocks a player

Ice Arrow

- Jailkeeps a player

Blue Potion

- Protects a player

Boomerang

- Redirects actions aimed at a player to Link

Longshot

- Redirect actions aimed at Link to a player

Farore’s Wind

- Switch actions aimed at Link with the actions aimed at a player

Fairy

- Either blocks the first kill attempt on Link, or give to someone to grant them a one-shot bulletproof

Self-Targeting Items

Iron Boots and Zora Tunic

- Makes Link untargetable for the night

Lens of Truth

- Makes the other abilities used by Link during the night hit their mark flawlessly

Nayru’s Love

- Protects Link for the night

Golden Gauntlet

- Makes Link’s kill go through protections for the night

Mirror Shield

- Reflects back abilities aimed at Link for the night

Deku Stick

- Kills everyone targeting Link for the night (actions still go through)

Special Items

Ocarina of Time

- You may play the song of time. Something will probably happen

Please remember that you can use only

one

three active abilities per phase.

Win Condition (Hero):

You win when all threats have been eliminated and the land of Hyrule is safe once again.

Please confirm via return PM.

The topic is here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 53&start=0

For ABR.

[Ythan]

I can post a text document in which I've been recording my actions as well.

[Ythan]

Vezok was confirmed action-immune and confirmed scum. Didn't want to waste a night targeting someone I might not be able to kill who could be lynched like DGB as

confirmed scum

.

[Ythan]

I am inclined to believe that you are partners with DGB, however should your claim be believable, I am not closed to the possibility that you are telling the truth and were redirected in some way.

You can stop.

[Ythan]

I killed sub and aikage by the way. Also beef oops. That's why I was so concerned when I saw someone say he had been confirmed. Thought I missed something. Luckily it turned out to be sage foolishness.

[Ythan]

Spoiler:

Killing Items
1 Arrow - Kills a player
2 Bomb - Kills a player
3 Fire Arrow - Kills a player and watches him
4 Bombchu - Kills a player and tracks him
5 Magic Beans - Kills a player and inspects him (guaranteed sane)
6 Blue Fire - Kills a player and removes his vote for the next day
Megaton Hammer - Kills a player and roleblocks him
Din’s Fire - Kills the target and all players targeting the target except Link

Normal Items
1 Light Arrow - Stalks a player (track + watch)
6 Hover Boots - Tracks a player
4 Bugs - Watches a player
Mask of Truth - Inspects a player (guaranteed sane)
Slingshot - Removes a player’s vote for the next day
Deku Nut - Roleblocks a player
Ice Arrow - Jailkeeps a player
Blue Potion - Protects a player
Boomerang - Redirects actions aimed at a player to Link
4 Longshot - Redirect actions aimed at Link to a player
6 Farore’s Wind - Switch actions aimed at Link with the actions aimed at a player
5 Fairy - Either blocks the first kill attempt on Link, or give to someone to grant them a one-shot bulletproof

Self-Targeting Items
1 Iron Boots and Zora Tunic - Makes Link untargetable for the night
2 Lens of Truth - Makes the other abilities used by Link during the night hit their mark flawlessly
2 Nayru’s Love - Protects Link for the night
3 Golden Gauntlet - Makes Link’s kill go through protections for the night
3 Mirror Shield - Reflects back abilities aimed at Link for the night
Deku Stick - Kills everyone targeting Link for the night (actions still go through)

Special Items
5 Ocarina of Time - You may play the song of time. Something will probably happen

1 substrike
2 substrike
3 aikage
4 beefster
5 mothrax
6 mothrax

This is the raw format from a text document I was using. Numbers next to actions are the night I used them, numbered players are my targets.

[Ythan]

Are you seriously this dense. Stop basing your arguments on your fakeclaimed role. My guess is you're kill-immune. Even your fakeclaimed role doesn't explain you surviving my kills.

And I didn't give you the fairy. I used it on myself as a self-targeting item.

[Ythan]

The mod said I tracked

you

to him.

[Ythan]

Uh, let me see here. IIRC, Zwet dying was as a result of my ability. Apparently someone likes trying to kill poor little Lambda ;_;.

Do you have any real reason to think this?

I digress, that Poe scum now has 1 member left. Boss scum has 2, and we have 7 players.

This has been established for some time I think.

Of course, Ythan is semi compulsive, so Ythan, have you used your lens of truth yet? I'd like to ensure that your actions tonight work without fail.

I posted all of my actions from every night already.

Though I think he should have known better what the Song of Time would do :/

Except that affect has absolutely nothing to do with any function of either the OoT or the SoT in the game so find a better hole to talk out of.

[Ythan]

Oh wait. Ythan can you kill 3 targets at once? I think we win the game if you can. This means that I want both Cupcake and LLD to do something tonight to ensure victory.

I select one target each night and all actions other than those which target myself target that one player.

If LLD redirect herself to ythan. cupcake shields. ythan multikills. I day kill one and we lynch a target. We win. We have insurance against Ythan scum. And both Masons remain alive till the end game 3p lylo. Howeer that means you need to lynch me since I'm also BP like Ythan. Ythan or I can kill the lynch target.

What?

[Ythan]

Ythan considering the large number of PRs in play and muliple failed kills (ie Substirke should have been dead on your first attempt) it might be a good idea for a massclaim. There is one scenerio I'm thinking of that can explain a few of the weird occurances.

Okay? My claim is out there so

[Ythan]

How exactly did n7 resolve?

[Ythan]

The Navi post restriction seems really obvious in retrospect.

[Ythan]

I'm going to count that as a "Win*(see mod nonsense)".

[Ythan]

I'm going to count that as a "Win*(see mod nonsense)".

You guys KNEW that the Mods were lynchable, then completely forgot about it.

Did you not think there was a reason the scum were letting the masons live? Poe scum got a copy of our role PM like the first night, so they knew the goddess mason hammer was a thing.

It's one thing to have a potential mod lynch influence the game somewhat but another to not give town a way to find out that not breaking normal play to lynch the mod will drastically reduce their chances at winning.

[Ythan]

confirmation biasThough, we had a very valid reason as to why his play was scummy from a debating standpoint, as my other head had outlined. :/

confirmation bias

[Ythan]

fff the frog. Big's gifts were items from the trading sequence, it's so obvious.

[Ythan]

1. When Ythan claimed, I understood all his actions, especially why he literally tried to get you offed Katsuki (ability counter claim lulz).

You caught that!

[Ythan]

confirmation biasThough, we had a very valid reason as to why his play was scummy from a debating standpoint, as my other head had outlined. :/

confirmation bias

The confirmation bias stemmed from your playstyle.

Don't blame me if you tunnel people who hurt your feelings.

[Ythan]

I'm sad that you retracted the mason QT. I was hoping it would be an interesting read D:

Saved it.

[Ythan]

confirmation biasThough, we had a very valid reason as to why his play was scummy from a debating standpoint, as my other head had outlined. :/

confirmation bias

The confirmation bias stemmed from your playstyle.

Don't blame me if you tunnel people who hurt your feelings.

Feelings had nothing to do with it.

It was scummy from a debating standpoint.

If other players were able to not tunnel me maybe it's not me.

[Ythan]

Deku Tree has the most convoluted role PM. I still don't get exactly what it does.

[Ythan]

3 masons, one PGO, one action-immunizer and one busdriver, confirmed to each other.
Something had to be done to weaken then.

I don't want to drag this one so I will just call you a BASTARD mod.

[Ythan]

Considering in a balanced game 3 mislynches is a townloss, you guys weren't very deserving

Three mislynches to lose does not scale up to 28 (29).

[Ythan]

I am moderately satisfied that I won.

[Ythan]

Our mistake Cupcake, was in WHO we lynched in what order.

DTM should have been our target yesterday, not mothrax.

Well, both of us wern't voting at the time... :/

After ythan claimed, the next time I saw the thread, moth got lynched, and you got shot.

:/

Same here. And then I missed the whole next day.

[Ythan]

I revived you two. I didn't know what the Ocarina did. I assumed it was OoT-related since this was an OoT game so I thought it would be something potentially disastrous. The most prominent use of the Ocarina was when Link opened the Door of Time which allowed Ganon to take over Hyrule. So I decided to use it when I ran out of abilities to reliably protect myself at night.