UPick: Mafiascum Fantasy Camp - All over!

[ToastyToast]

What would this be, Toast?
~C

The ninjas are being called out for lurking.
I feel like saying what should already be obvious on behalf of our avatars and flattery.

[Hinduragi]

HINDU IF SDC DOESN'T GET LYNCHED, WE EXPECT THEM DEAD COME DAWN.

I was only saying it for pressure and for Amrun to explain her townread because that was pissing me off. The only reason I didn't tell Vi to jump back on the wagon was because I wanted to see an SDC post. They didn't fall for the bait, obviously. If I was a vig, I wouldn't be voting them.

[Hinduragi]

Look at the three of them (I'm not including Yami because any boat needs a cabin boy)

Vi's sputtering rage and literally said "I'm DROPPIN MA TOWNTELLS YO"
Hindu is actively making shit up and ohh BTW DID YA KNOW HE WAS A VIG *wink*
GI forgot CHESSKID is actually pretty alright at this game and opted to use it as a cover for playing terrible.

If dying made THEM get dead I'd be really happy.

I'll just add OMGUS to my list of reasons for you to die, then.

[Irony]

What would this be, Toast?
~C

The ninjas are being called out for lurking.
I feel like saying what should already be obvious on behalf of our avatars and flattery.

My mind is blanking out right now. Sorry.

~C

[Vi]

Spoiler: For GreyICE

No, the fact THAT YOU'RE SCUM doesn't sit well with me.

You sitting there and pitching a fit that I haven't told you how I figured you out just amuses me.

(...)

PEDIT: He's OBVIOUSLY SCUM, Vi, that's why!

Slow down a moment. Tell me what's going on. Whatever it is you're seeing in Ludi that's screaming for justice, I'm not.

Vi, MoI, LLD, we need an alliance, there's three categories right now.

Town
Lurkers
Scum

#1 and #3 are around the same size, which means we neeeeed to be working together. Whadda ya say?

I'll help. Good luck with MoI.

The thing is, as you've seen by now an "alliance" isn't "do as I say". At least let me in on the whys and wherefores.

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Spoiler: For Amrun

Also, in no way am I riding easy wagons. I believe I was the first vote on you and one of the first to express suspicion.

...said the person who's voting for Candle Jack for ??????, and the person who needed me to point out that five people are providing the meta evidence you want before you even ask for it.

Although you seem to be asking for it again.

Also, it is not untenable for me to continue my scumread on you. You seem to think a lot of people have townreads on you, but they do not. GreyICE does and that's all I can think of off of the top of my head. Several players are still convinced you are scum.

Meransiel. Mastermind of Sin. Hinduragi. inHimshallibe. Lady Lambdadelta. Even Candle Jack.
The last four of those, plus GreyICE, have seen me as scum and remarked that my play is entirely different.

Plus if I were going to get lynched Today you'd think I'd already be dead. I mean really.

Several players are still convinced you are scum.

If I were scum pitbulling, I had no reason to unvote. Zero.

Sure you would. Just the impending wagon on you came anyway.

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And yea, sometimes all it takes is 4 lines to get a good feel. What it doesn't take is how Nixon when he had a SINGLE POST to be not NO POSTS. Because he never was.

Wait a minute. Are you arguing over semantics (i.e. I should have put inHim in NO POSTS in spite of my read on him)?

Also Nikanor is obviously Town... if he's a player in this game at all. It's like your reads couldn't possibly be worse.

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Which reminds me, is anyone willing to compile a list of claims?

No.

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Spoiler: For MagnaofIllusion, although God only knows why I'm bothering

Oh, you didn’t call it a gambit directly. You said something to the effect of “I’m not playing to my Town meta. Same thing with different text. Nice try.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wish I had a meta where I could post walls of bad reasoning and tunnel in every game and have it work for me no matter what alignment I draw.

Mhahahahah Vi you kill me. I can’t play this way as scum? Yeah, that’s for people like Shotty and Chesskid. It’s not for Vi, supreme player of Mafia!!!

What's killing me is that you actually believe what you're posting, given that you're Town. I've moved from anger to apathy to astonishment to pity, and I'm trying my hardest not to patronize you outright.

I note you dodged the question about why you went out of the way to antagonize me in Defcon 3.0. Is it because you couldn’t come up with a viable answer that didn’t contradict the crap you were flowing?

No, it's because arguing with you is a waste of time on a few levels.

If you had a head on your shoulders you would realize that I chose you for someone to sling mud at very early in the game, and found that your ability to be incredibly obtuse was getting the better of my halfhearted reasoning. DEFCON 3 was pretty much "oh here's an easy target, let's push them, oh they're pushing back, well I'm going to die anyway, oh well".

I see you dropped a vote on me for obv-crap reasoning

Why would anyone actually want to take up an offer to be unlynchable? Until you explained it - which took an unnecessarily long amount of time - the obvious answer was obvious.

I was only saying it for pressure and for Amrun to explain her townread because that was pissing me off. The only reason I didn't tell Vi to jump back on the wagon was because I wanted to see an SDC post. They didn't fall for the bait, obviously. If I was a vig, I wouldn't be voting them.

. . .

[Meransiel]

@Toasty: Hmm, okay, fine by me. But as I said, it doesn't really matter, I'm already dead.
@Yami: Ok, I will post a post about his ISO shortly. And by *shortly*, I mean tomorrow.

Also, Irony is giving me bad gut vibes, I'll ISO them too.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Vi – Ok, play the “I’m superior” card. Classy.

That takes care of most of your empty replies.

Why would anyone actually want to take up an offer to be unlynchable? Until you explained it - which took an unnecessarily long amount of time - the obvious answer was obvious.

Oh, the long time I was V/LA? You are knocking my reasoning? Lulz.

And again … if I had wanted to actually take the offer I would have. It’s amazing you can’t parse that simple fact out with your highly powerful intellect.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1 Votecount #21

ANKLE HURTS.

DemonHybrid (2) - Candle Jack, AlmasterGM
Screaming Death Clan (2) - Hinduragi, Yami-Swan

Amrun (6) - ToastyToast, Mastermind of Sin, Meransiel, Vi, GreyICE, Irony

Vi (2) - Screaming Death Clan, MagnaofIllusion
Candle Jack (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, Amrun

Not voting (3)

Nikanor, inHimshallibe, DemonHybrid

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline for Day 1 is (expired on 2011-08-27 17:07:25) or the 27th of August at 22:10 GMT, or 17:10 EST.

Please point out any mistakes you see in the votecount.

[DemonHybrid]

Meetings all day today. Please be patient with me until I find the time to catch up and post tonight; I'm trying.

[Nikanor]

Oh now so we are directing my Night action?

Don’t think so …

Question Nik – are you voteless the entire game or just Day 1 or some combination of other possibilities?

a) Yes, and only because I'm suspending my disbelief of your claim for now. Your hesitance to inspect two of your scumreads is scummy.
b) I'm voteless for the entire game. Wonderful, right? In addition, my only other ability is a one-shot that I can't use until night three. The mods weren't kidding when they said not to use dumb choices.

468 feels genuine. As in genuinely angry. Not as in OHHH MAN GENUINE TOWN UP INS. Considering it'd be HARDER (but not impossible) to get that angry as scum it gave me pause.

xD
You are a really bad liar, mate. I can practically see you staring at the ground and rubbing the back of your neck as I read this.

This Amrun wagon makes me :HAPPY:. It took long enough.

[Vi]

468 feels genuine. As in genuinely angry. Not as in OHHH MAN GENUINE TOWN UP INS. Considering it'd be HARDER (but not impossible) to get that angry as scum it gave me pause.

xD
You are a really bad liar, mate. I can practically see you staring at the ground and rubbing the back of your neck as I read this.

Actually this reminds me. Why is SpyreX trying to call me scum for doing something similar?

[MagnaofIllusion]

a) Yes, and only because I'm suspending my disbelief of your claim for now. Your hesitance to inspect two of your scumreads is scummy.

Oh really. Where have I ever said AGM was a scum-read? Please quote for me.

[Nikanor]

a) Yes, and only because I'm suspending my disbelief of your claim for now. Your hesitance to inspect two of your scumreads is scummy.

Oh really. Where have I ever said AGM was a scum-read? Please quote for me.

You didn't, but I don't demand in bold italics that my town reads answer questions (which is something you did to AGM a little while back, iyrc). If he's not a scum read, what DO you think of AGM?

[MagnaofIllusion]

You didn't, but I don't demand in bold italics that my town reads answer questions (which is something you did to AGM a little while back, iyrc). If he's not a scum read, what DO you think of AGM?

So you thought you were going to try to direct my actions based on a faulty assumption. Now I have no idea what to make of you. You kept pressing that I had blown my claim on your mis-read of my claim earlier. Now this.

I do with AGM because I think I can get a good read on him by interacting with him. His hesitance to answer needed to be squashed.

As I said earlier .... he gets Town points since he's engaged with Vi as scum.

I am going to have to do a fresh re-read at some point soon independant of my view of Vi as scum to make sure it is not contaminating my other reads.

[GreyICE]

Dammit vi, you're making me break character. Look at how they're abusing the FUCK out of hydra read switches.

CLAIM
SUP GAIZ, SDC HERE
DAT MOS JUMPING ON AN EASY THIRD PARTY WAGON

Vote: MoS

HUZZAH
PS. HEHAHEHAHEHEHHEAHEHHEEHAEHAHE

I'm already having words with my other esteemed head because I'm seeing things in a much different light.
Much different.
This wagon isn't an RVS wagon. This wagon is a bunk wagon and I absolutely don't get it. Four pages in and Yami-swan is the most town.
...
I'd love real explanations from the wagoneers behind MoS being scum that move BEYOND "OMG THIRD PARTY ISNT SCUM SCUM WANT THIRD PARTY LYNCHED"

So head 1 - WAGON MOS!
head 2 - WAGON SOMEONE ON MOS (oddly posted after MoS wagon was dying)

Reasoning the town saw: Zero

Vote: DemonHybrid

While I'm not happy with MoS's changing good town logic into lol, reactions he's still town via Meri.
I thought DH was town but he's going passive enough with this I'm not a fan. I want fire and blood.
There are two outs for MoI and I'm waiting for a greedy hammer. That claim needs to happen because some pieces need to click. Consider this declaration of death.

DH's is easy enough to deal with for now. I'm a ~mysterious power role~ and go ahead and track me to play "Wheel of Not Get Lynched"
Merisanel is still town and fff on you LLD AND Vi.
Unvote, Vote: Vi
You've got no bite and I'm absolutely :tinfoil: about that now. I can understand 279 maybe but no bite NO BITE.

MoI points out some inconsistency in SDCs play:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3348500

"Wasn't me, other head!"

...
I SWEAR I just looked at our iso and didn't see that.
Needless to say, it wasn't me. Probably fairly needless to say which me I am too but I will if you really need me too.

Explanations provided by other head: zero

I've told SpyreX I find Vi vaguely scummy and he seems WAY more gung-ho about it than I was. But eh, I told him to go for it, so that's his dance.
Hey, friends, have I told you about the Good Lord Jesus Christ today? And how he said, "Irony is scum because I am the Lord Your God and I say so"? 'Cause he did. I need a little sexy private QT time with SpyreX to show him this buuuuut I think Irony might be a better wagon than Vi. Maybe. I always love a Vi wagon.

Oh and PS whoever was like HAHAHAHA RECK FAILS AT EMULATING FATE I was breadcrumbing you dunce. Seriously WHO ELSE would SCREAMING DEATH CLAN put as their #1 choice? (Actually, ironically, Vi was our #1 choice until we switched with Fate).

Oh and then there's the scumplaining. The endless, painful scumplaining. Scumplaint after scumplaint. It's like the SDC is a nine year old girl. Every time they have nothing to say, they whine like they have a skinned knee.

Starts in ISO #7, and goes on, a constant high pitched whine:

I swear to god this game we need to take a deep breath and write on the wall "Lol, reactions, isn't a good idea." 1000 times.

God in heaven GOD GOD GOD

Everything in the above hurts my head a lot.
Vi's 468 on first read AND re-read actually feels genuine. However the SDC IS SKUMMM considering the above and NO POSTS being both madness and no including inHim isn't cool at all. I'd still take up that 1v1.
I like inHim's post with words and want more words.
The simple fact I haven't seen anyone express the desire for Hindu's blood makes me angry.
Nikanor is still doing nothing and the fact the majority of the new words are stubbornly holding onto the most strenuous of positions also makes me angry.
I'd pay CASH MONEY for an actual list of bullet points on Candle Jack.
If I could harness the power of rage I'd put Vi, Hindu, Nik, GI, Toasty and Irony into a rocket and launch it into the sun. I think the net would be a gain. If that didn't end things I'd probably assassinate Amrun for sweet meta talk time.

An entire POST of scumplaints, with a buffet of lynches for him he can keep open by scumplaining about various issues.

It's just whine, whine, whine, whine, whine. Pure scum, through and through.

[Vi]

GreyICE, I thought you were referring to Magister Ludi with "WAGON WITH ME". I'm already with you on SDC.

What then of the wagon on Amrun?

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

LLD insists Amrun is town
You insist CJ is town
MoI insists SDC is town

I think all three of you are town, and all three of your town reads there are bunk.

I don't care what order its in, there needs to be death of all three, lets fucking make it happen.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Since when have I insisted that Amrun is town? I'm been calling for AGM!town mostly.

(P.S: Amrun is town)

[inHimshallibe]

I submitted my answer when LLD first mentioned there was a choice about the contract. And my awesomely weird play in this game is role-related. That's how this is going to roll. Don't worry, though; Since I can't be spamming(ignore these past posts, I was out of character since my first post) like I usually do,

I will just /sunglasses and post content or one-liners depending on what's going on.

Kinda flattered here.

But why would you want that contract?

I thought it was a neighborhood/masonry.

In other news, I've found actual scum.

Vote: SDC

Wisdom, you should believe. I stand for something that is part of a greater cause. A cause the majority of the players gathered here also are a part of.

Should you falter now, I would have to post walls.

We both know that isn't me; I live off of my reputation.

kekeke nvm.

It took you 40 minutes to notice?

This is good posting.

Yeaaa CJ is pretty much town.

Picking a fight with TownVi seems rife for danger for scums. Agreed.

The fact that you people are completely oblivious to who is scum and who isn't doesn't surprise me however, and never had. Nor the fact that you're misrepping me. Actually, I can easily see why someone's post can 100% comprise of an opportunistic vote that if looked into has no actual backing, and not be considered scum, considering this is you guys we're talking about.

And, since I am probably the vigilante kill tonight whatever I do, heed my words, failvig: your next target better be AGM.

Won't be better than my scumlist. :P

Seriously, fuck all the rest of this noise.

Unvote

Vote: Amrun

ISO a scummy joke.

Mine's not much better, working on it. Agreed Amrun is a person of interest.

Btw.

MoI is town. TOWNTOWNTOWN.

He did not make good decisions re: LLD thing, but he is town.

People think I'm scummy but I don't care. I'm voting scum wheee.

You're bad at rhetorical wagon pushing, methinks. Also, I'm living in opposite world in regards to Vi. Feels soooo much different from DEFCON. Sample sizes, etc.

I think it was very clear in fact that MoI was not given that specific of a choice. I don't think he knew he'd be losing his powers, just that there was a "price" or "consequences" for accepting the contract.

Edit: Ninja'd.

MoI is not for lynching today. This is not a power to be taken lightly if town. Did GreyICE confirm the way the consequences were worded?

Vi (3) - Amrun, Screaming Death Clan, MagnaofIllusion

Vi is town. It's like everyone present has a "You may not wagon scum" condition in their role PM.

You were hating on Amrun, right? Not voting there to grow dat wagon?

P-edit: So who is... And why is Vi town?

Vi's

scumhunting

and general play today has made him obvtown. I'm really grasping to see why he's even getting wagoned right now.

And for the record, can we keep these posts nice and small? Or at least be nice and include a tl;dr summary at the bottom by your vote for me to read.

this does not make sense because Vi has personally stated it is grasping to find suspects.

*scribbles a note about Irony and AGM*

ohSpy
You make me want to vote you so.
But the second has not returned to confirm.
Though I think he will.
Actually I will.

Vote: SDC

For lack of a better descriptor, "Forced."

/~[DH, Amrun, Yami]~\

What. The. F. (trying to curse less, has been a bad habit for a while.)

OK, so I'll need to work on paying attention, I've ALREADY screwed up in this game. Don't ask, just don't right now. -_-

First page - GreyICE needs a bullet, not votes.
Second page - MoS is not a worthy wagon - he's right about death, but wrong about method. Vi = Town though, not the same AT ALL as DEFCON.
Third page - AGM and MoI move to Townsville. SDC probably got Fate, but one of the non-Fate heads fails at emulation. I, on the other hand, do an OK job. ;)
Fourth page - OK, so maybe they didn't draw Fate, but they still suck at emulation. Meransiel - MoS the player or MoS the role?

Will continue the review shortly.

And this is where I arrived oh so fashionably late to the party.


Will be back for more awesomepostan :cries: tomorrow.

[Hinduragi]

You were hating on Amrun, right? Not voting there to grow dat wagon?

Waiting for it to hit everyone that I'm seriously not going to be able to vig SDC so they'll switch over.

[Amrun]

Irony, it would be cool if you would ACTUALLY READ instead of just sheep blatantly incorrect statements.

[GreyICE]

Since when have I insisted that Amrun is town? I'm been calling for AGM!town mostly.

(P.S: Amrun is town)

-twitch-

[Screaming Death Clan]

I'll just add OMGUS to my list of reasons for you to die, then.

Little late to the party considering I've been pretty clear about that for a while now. But, whatever makes you happy.

Wait a minute. Are you arguing over semantics (i.e. I should have put inHim in NO POSTS in spite of my read on him)?

Also Nikanor is obviously Town... if he's a player in this game at all. It's like your reads couldn't possibly be worse.

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Toasy was MR NO POSTS forever. Nixon was NIXON null lollllszzzzzz to being with and then ONE POST (while being a good post) is a shift from null to baby's babiest town.

Which is fine. Except for the fact he was never NO POSTS.

But whatever. I honestly hope you are actually scum and this is Hoopla bullshit all over again versus the alternative.

I still want that 1v1 but even without it I really deeply hope you manage to pull this lynch off. Because its going to be delightful to watch the amazing amount of backpedaling the second I flip. More importantly at this point if it doesn't happen one way or the other its going to be this same bullshit every day. And that is retarded.

Seriously MoI if I eat it DO NOT investigate any of those three. I want those chained. OMG CHAINING LYNCHES AND WHINING AND WHATEVER THE HELL ELSE.

While also lurking, of course.

[Candle Jack]

Serious question – do you think, given the time it took to draw up the roles, that there are ANY Vanilla in this setup?

I guess I should amend my statement a little. Keep wagoning people until we hit a role that town considers 'expendable' and then lynch them (i.e. not the cop, doc, or other powerful role). Its actually quite possible that there are no vanilla's.

Normally I’d be with you 100% but I have direct knowledge that this is NOT a scum-tell for DH. Sigh.

Is not that it is a slam dunk scum tell (though it is pretty indicative to me and I'd like to know why you don't think so), its that DH was acting anti-town before the claim, then claimed a weak power role and disappeared. That suggest scum strongly to me.

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@Amrun

Can you explain specifically what is wrong with asking why someone voted you with no stated reasons.

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@MoI and SpyreX

I think both of you guys are the most town out of all the players here and contributing today. But, I think you're both squirreling away your votes on a player who also has a high chance of flipping town. I'm telling you this because I don't want to see all the (1v1) threats and potential tunneling on town when we have people who are much more likely to flip scum here. Would you both be able to swing onto a DH lynch?

Who else in your opinions is scum?

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inhim rocks.

[Vi]

You insist CJ is town

I've done no such thing, but I don't know why you hate him so rabidly. Why are you doing your best to avoid giving a straight answer on this?

You can't have an ~*~alliance~*~ if you don't help your allies out.

I still want that 1v1 but even without it I really deeply hope you manage to pull this lynch off. Because its going to be delightful to watch the amazing amount of backpedaling the second I flip.

1) Complaining about flipping when there isn't even a wagon on you
2) Suggesting I would apologize for your lynch afterward

@MoI and

SpyreX

I think both of you guys are the most town out of all the players here and contributing today.

You're going to have to explain this one.

Also Amrun has no idea why she's voting for you either so etc.