he just . . . let himself die without doing much
it just feels too easy . . .
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:03 pm
by Glork
Bleh, I actually was not hoping for a hammer in the time between when I posted from phone and when I drove home.
On the drive home, it did occur to me that there is a VERY SLIM possibility that one of the "voting bloc" is the SK (if we assume that pappums' death was due to an SK). I could even see a "Disgruntled/Benched Gobbo's Gangsta" being techincally on the team and allowed to nominate, while secretly trying to kill everyone off.
However, I think that's rather unlikely.
Also, a brief history of my thoughts on Tierce throughout the game:
During D1, I actually suspected her slightly. I forget for what exactly, but there was a "nagging feeling." It might've nothing more than bad memories from MLP. I honestly don't know. I do know there was one line she said about "if I get killed" which I had recalled seeing in MLP that triggered a reaction in me.
After the fake vengekill, I felt a lot better about her.
After the double-death, I had to deal with the possibility of her being an SK, although I felt that Ghostlin was more likely to be an SK at the time. I was also disgruntled with Tierce's unnatural flip-flop on Ghostlin, and the paranoid part of me wanted to say "scum gambit."
Ultimately, though, like I said... her manner of play is very consistent with the one game I played where she was town, and very different from the one game I played where she was scum.
Unless she's giving herself FAR less credit than she deserves, I think that meta's enough to clear Tierce at this point.
I'm going to go through with my dice roll plan. 1-8, I protect myself. 9, I vig elsewhere. 10, I save my SPP.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:18 pm
by Tierce
._. Seriously this is the second game in a row where people posit me as an SK.
Whyyy.
How/why on earth
would I attempt to play as SK as I play town, considering how often my meta gets me nightkilled before D3? You're giving me far, far too much credit, Glork. I may not act much like a newbie, but my first game was the same as inte's, last November, and I have no idea how I would
even
play SK. O_o An obvtown SK eventually gets NK'd, no matter how X-shot BP he is.
(As a note, the "If I get (night) killed" line is originally from my town meta and I stole it for MLP, so you have your twinge in reverse. )
Anyway--is there something to be weighed on before night? I might have missed something in rushed catch up.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:19 pm
by Glork
I said I dismissed it since then. -.-
But Dazzy had asked about my feelings towards you, and well....
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:20 pm
by GreyICE
There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?
My head, it asploded.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:22 pm
by Glork
↑GreyICE wrote:There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?
My head, it asploded.
That happened for two nights in MLP Mafia, too.
Kill Glork N1 hasn't been site meta for ages now. Get with the times!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:24 pm
by GreyICE
I'm sorry, I must be the world's most conservative scum player. I kill the really townie people, the really dangerous and the people who suspect me
I don't shoot random derp bystanders for derp value
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:27 pm
by Tierce
↑GreyICE wrote:There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?
My head, it asploded.
Glork is town, etc.
This playerlist doesn't know Glork too well and he wasn't paraded as the Paragon in the game other than through his Scummy banner. I was obvtowning it up in D1 and didn't get shot at either. Scum probably went for the 1-shot vig, which as Glork said before, likely tells quite a bit of how the scumteam feels about their odds of survival and their knowledge of the players in the game.
...in fact, if Ghostlin was mafia, I would expect either Glork or I to be dead by now. Ghostlin knows Glork, and he has seen me both from a mod and a player perspective, so I really doubt he'd allow his hypoteam to go for a vig instead of playing the odds of a doc being on me/Glork.
We don't know that it's a second scum kill, though it does seem likely (SK, not second mafia team).
↑GreyICE wrote:There's two scum kills and neither of them shoot Glork?
My head, it asploded.
That happened for two nights in MLP Mafia, too.
Kill Glork N1 hasn't been site meta for ages now. Get with the times!
We liked you! Applecave was nice and cozy and the Apples look out for each other! Then that nasty Trixie came into town and zapped you. D: Of course we had to launch a revenge against her!
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:48 pm
by Glork
Meh.
I'm anxious to see this flip. I mean, it's excdedingly likely that Slanddar (who never DID tell us his ROLE NAME) is scum, but it doesn't stop the second-guessing and "what-if" scenarios ricocheting around my head.
- How do you reconcile the PV scumread with the fact that he flipped town in our finished game?
Going back to look one sec.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:25 pm
by BBmolla
Okay yeah, this ISO looks completely different than the PV we have in this game. It's possible it's because it was the only game being played at that time. *shrug* Mainly it looks far more in depth, the one here looks lackluster in explanations.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:26 pm
by Tierce
While I liked #594 in general, there was something that came out in particular. I don't know if it's just Dazzy's general playstyle, but it does give off a weird scummy vibe:
to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?
This is layering soft suspicion on me, a player she has been calling town; and why is she asking Glork's opinion on the town bloc since he has already expressed it a few times, with or without reasoning?
She is not sure how she feels about the town bloc, but... what exactly is her problem with the town bloc, again?
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:27 pm
by BBmolla
↑BBmolla wrote:Also he seems to be subtley attempting to discredit the obvious towns.
^That's what I was referring to.
It's kind of like the whole "They're probably town... BUT COULD BE SCUM!" sort of thing.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:05 pm
by GreyICE
↑Tierce wrote:While I liked #594 in general, there was something that came out in particular. I don't know if it's just Dazzy's general playstyle, but it does give off a weird scummy vibe:
to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?
This is layering soft suspicion on me, a player she has been calling town; and why is she asking Glork's opinion on the town bloc since he has already expressed it a few times, with or without reasoning?
She is not sure how she feels about the town bloc, but... what exactly is her problem with the town bloc, again?
Paranoia is typically a town tell
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:09 pm
by Tierce
Ew, scratch that, further look makes me hate this post.
↑Dazzy wrote:Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.
He (sorry, got your gender wrong earlier) thought I was town N1. Apparent conclusion that I'm town for my reaction to the fake vengekill.
↑Dazzy wrote:Tierce, there are better targets than me and I think you know that.
Addressing me as if I am town. This post shows belief/knowledge I am town.
↑Dazzy wrote:Feel free to ask me questions because it's much easier for me to solidify my thoughts if you do, but don't make my lynch a foregone conclusion just because I flaked for a bit (namely since I'm not the only one).
"Don't look at me! Look at the other flakers/lurkers!"
↑Dazzy wrote:What makes me hesitate is this "town bloc".
Never expresses why.
↑Dazzy wrote:As unlikely as inte's proposition is, something similar to it is still possible, and I'm hesitant to vote with such a group even though it mostly lines up with my own reads, as I don't trust some of the members.
Never expresses why. He has mostly townreads on the town bloc, but... who doesn't he have a townread on?
↑Dazzy wrote:@Glork, Please expand on your claim that Tierce is guaranteed not scum. I haven't really seen you come out and say so to that degree before your post 569. Is it really impossible for her to be scum, despite her apparently pro-town appearance? What are your thoughts on this town bloc that you are suddenly a part of?
Now... I am suddenly possible not-town? The way this is being put doesn't look like it's a question for Glork's opinion on me, because he has already said what his opinion is on the whole bloc with me included. It's soft suspicion, trying to break townreads.
↑Dazzy wrote:@Tierce: Assume for one second that you hadn't seen the timestamps on Grey's post/Mod's login. Is Grey still town?
Soft suspicion on Grey, trying to break townreads.
↑Dazzy wrote:My gut was yelling at me though, and who knows what will happen tonight?.
WOOOO NIGHT WIFOM!
Heads. will. roll.
PEdit: This doesn't sound like paranoia, though, Grey. It's more like "oh, don't
you
think X could be scum? It's not that Dazzy thinks that any of the bloc players are scum, it's that he is trying to break townreads by layering soft suspicion on players that are ridiculously protown.
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:23 pm
by Tierce
Today:
↑Dazzy wrote:Last night I nominated Tierce because I did see her as most pro-town. Use that how you will.
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