Mini 1353 - Dr. Who Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[greenknight]

So Iec, why exactly would you target tierce with your claimed ability, when you didn't have a scum read on her?

[GreyICE]

Triangle needs to Triangdie, especially if Iec is the Serial Killer.

It removes all relational tells between them, and Triangle-Tierce interactions were terribad.

[Korlash]

1. If the Doctor were not in this game, he would almost certainly have appeared in the pre-game scene.
2. For the corollary (i.e. fakeclaim/realclaim), the Mod /outguess game is irrelevant, because it'd be Mod-made.

1. No... If the doctor were in this game the pregame sequence wouldn't have gone the way it did because madam de hotness would have recognized him... as would the rest of us. if the doctor were here, we wouldn't be killing each other because he would KNOW what is going on. The doctor being here kills the opening flavor dead.

2. Don't give me this. I've caught better scum than me (that's saying something sir) due to my fakeclaim analysis. "Out guessing the mod" and "Theme/setup speculation' are not the same thing and the people that treat it as such will always lose to people like me who use that tool. What you claimed makes no sense flavor wise/setup wise/ game wise. MoI will definitely think different than me and this type of speculation will always net me a mislynch or two at some point but luckily for me my record is in the green so I'll stick to what I'm good at.

I noticed in your claim you didn't actually give any flavor aside from 'being taken from near the end of your cycle'. Is there anything you would like to add?

Also, sorry for the triple post, but the idea of a doctor targeting the person you target sort of breaks down that entire role.

This is a good point. It is so much less likely a setup would create a role that in turn creates a paradox. Granted, it could be seen as a way to further weaken the town, but a ''weak vig' wouldn't need to be ADDITIONALLY weak.

[Starbuck]

I frakking knew it!

I also think that I know what happened to kortul. I'm pretty sure that he hid behind me.

I am Rose Tyler and I am/was a 1-shot Town Commuter. I commuted last night because I'm sure scum saw me as a valid threat and I figured that they'd aim for me.

I did do breadcrumbs. I'm not sure if anyone picked up on them.

R

eferring to the Jason deflection thing, I feel that it could be scum trying to really push this Jason lynch to get suspicion off of himself. I need to ISO kortul here shortly.

Jason, where did you bread-crumb?

O

i, was this ever answered?

My main point against Starbuck is that she's scum because she is accusing me of being scum on the basis of behavioural tells that she's committing herself. The points she raises against me also continue to get worse and worse, with "fencesitting" and "tunnelling" being the latest examples of this. I am not trying to convince her that she is scum (she knows that already,) but to expose her scummy reasoning to everyone else.

S

ee, my point is that you have committed a number of scummy actions, and yes, one of the big things for me is that you didn't start your whole case on me until I suspected you. You haven't deterred from that one bit. And no sweetheart, I am not scum. I am the farthest from the likes of em, love.

I'm lost as to what this discussion between Greenknight and Starbuck boils down to. Obviously you're not going to convince each other that you're scum, so why are you trying? Going point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point for point isn't productive at all.

E

gads. I'm with you, and have just about given up responding to him. I still think he's scum and my vote will stay.

B

oys, this whole digression into past games isn't helping anyone.

Grey, in case you forgot, you switched back and forth like 4 times within two days, without really explaining why. And pushing Jason atm, not Tierce.

A

nd I was wondering if anyone was counting how many times that he switched his vote.

D

on't remember GreyICE being this brash, but it has been awhile since I've played on Mafiascum.

I can see GK's actions from a town perspective

What about them seem like they could come from a town perspective? Also, what is your current read on Green? (Sorry if you answered a similar question to this recently since I might have missed something.).

W

ell, I feel that this may be a good time to bring back up the connection that I've seen between T-Bone and greenknight. Back towards the beginning of the day, they were coming to each other's defense pretty hard to the point of even explaining each other's actions. I got the feeling of white knighting and it makes me question the relationship between the two.

O

h, there we go. Finally! The GreyICE that I know in #402. I may not agree with his points on Jason, but that's a town GreyICE if I've ever seen one.

L

uckily, I finished Season 2, watched the Christmas Special, and am now on Torchwood Season 1. So I don't have to worry about potential spoilers.

F

inally, I will be scarce over this weekend as I have 3 term papers (2 individual and 1 team) due between Tues and Weds of next week. So mod, put me down as V/LA until Monday, I'll check in when I can.

I figured that since I am now just a Townie that I'd just come out and save confusion for later on.

[Starbuck]

I've been pulling an all-nighter, so I'll catch up on the rest when I wake up.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Vote Count 2.1 - As of post 605

Iecerint (3) - GreyICE, Korlash, CryMeARiver
Acosmist (1) - Greenknight
triangle123 (1) - Iecerint

Not Voting (5) - Acosmist, Starbuck, T-Bone, Zang, triangle123

The Current deadline is August 2, 2012 at 10:00 am EDT. Countdown is (expired on 2012-08-02 10:00:00).

With 10 active votes - 6 are required to lynch.

Activity Check - All currently good.

[GreyICE]

What.

No kortul hid behind iec. Tierce shot kortul it's how she thinks. Did nothing because you cant shoot a hider.

STARBUCK claimgasm makes her scum though. Sad.

[Iecerint]

I noticed in your claim you didn't actually give any flavor aside from 'being taken from near the end of your cycle'. Is there anything you would like to add?

Nothing really relevant, but I can paraphrase the rest for you.

I'm near the end of my timestream. I'm tired, and I've seen many people become killed since my last regeneration. I'm displeased with it, but I've seen the signs and know I will change soon. I'll protect everyone again before that.

[Iecerint]

Weirded out by Starbuck's claim. It should be obvious from the crumb GreyICE found that Kortul hid behind me.

I targeted Tierce because she was the alternawagon D1. Jason had been my main suspect D1, and my other reads were contingent upon him.

[Acosmist]

I'm here

VOTE: iercerint

scummy scum is scum.

[Zang]

Vote: Iecerint

His claim maked little sense. While I don't like outguessing the mod, I do agree that the doctor would never be a killing role, at least not one that he knows of. CMAR and Korlash also make good points about the role. It would also explain why he was quick to dismiss kortul's death for hiding behind Tierce.

Starbuck- What do you think of Iecerint? You don't mention him in your post.

Zang voted Tierce last minute. Iece trusted my guilty on Zang. Hmmm.

He also thought that you had an innocent result on me.

he loves to bus.

I do?

[Iecerint]

It would also explain why he was quick to dismiss kortul's death for hiding behind Tierce.

This is incorrect. I was the one who brought up that possibility. The reason why that possibility was dismissed was that GreyICE found an unambiguous Kortul crumb.

[Zang]

Exactly. You brought up the possibility hoping that others would not suspect you in general. Whether you knew or not of kortul's crumb, it would have been very beneficial for the scum if the town believed that he hid behind Tierce so that they wouldn't go back and find things such as that.

[CryMeARiver]

Just got my new laptop in the mail today, but I don't think I'll have an Internet connection for the weekend. I'll be back Sunday.

Iece is scum. Scum meaning not town. I don't know the alignment. But trust me. He's scum. Lynch it.

[Starbuck]

jasonT1981 (LYNCH) -

Tierce

, Iecerint, CryMeARiver,

kortul

, Korlash, triangle123, greenknight

There's definite scum in there. I'm leaning Iec or triangle.

CryMeARiver is questionable as well, lots of lurking and staying away from the game as a whole. Everyone else who was V/LA has been checking in at the very least and adding something.

Not to mention, I don't like T-Bone or Acosmist at all, who just avoided either lynch all together.


I wrote my post before reading the rest. I assumed that kortul hid behind me because I did commute last night. Any actions that would have been taken towards me definitely would have hit him if he did, indeed, hid behind me. Since I'm neutered now to just being a townie, I'd rather come out with that information as a means to help the town rather than stay quiet.

My guess is that he hid behind Tierce and that kill killed him. The only other possibility is that he decided not to hide for whatever reason.

See, I don't feel that.

Looking at the Hider page on MafiaWiki.

Unless the mod is doing things differently, if a Hider is hiding, they cannot be directly killed. The kill will fail. Hence, why I feel that a possible scumkill was aimed at me and that he hid behind me. I commuted which left him open to be hit.

Then there's also the possibility that he hid behind scum, which Grey brings up in #571. So he definitely could have went for Iec, but there's also a chance that he could have changed his mind.


And things change up again with Iec's roleclaim in #577. That claim makes me uneasy, I know I'm not that far into Doctor Who but the Doctor abhors killing.

It removes all relational tells between them, and Triangle-Tierce interactions were terribad.

Completely. Towards the end, it feels like Tierce was trying to find a way to distance herself from triangle with that whole misrepresentation/FOS thing.

What.

No kortul hid behind iec. Tierce shot kortul it's how she thinks. Did nothing because you cant shoot a hider.

STARBUCK claimgasm makes her scum though. Sad.

Kortul said that he would, but he could have changed his mind. I COMMUTED, which would have left kortul open to be shot since I was not there to block him.

I can also see him following through on Iec.

This is the first time that I've ever really crumbed in all my time playing, but I figured with a role of such high importance as Rose, that I should.

Starbuck- What do you think of Iecerint? You don't mention him in your post.

That's because I hadn't completely caught up yet.

I don't like him, but his ability to target without doing anything makes no sense to me. I think that he is lying about his claim and that kortul could have hid behind me. We won't know that now until after the game is over. In any case, I fully support a lynch on Iec or triangle due to their connections with scumTierce.

Vote: Iecerint

[GreyICE]

Starbuck you breadcrumbed because tierce loves em, not because a 1-shot commuter is a superb role.

MoI is going to hand out some good scum fakes (hello River Song). Tierce got all excited in the scum qt and you followed along.

Whatever, finish the sk then 186 Starbucks.

[Korlash]

STARBUCK claimgasm makes her scum though. Sad.

I hate to continue to agree with you sir... But yeah... It's certainly a bad reason to just out and claim... How does being a commuter kill the hider targeting you? And why did Starbuck feel the scum were scared of her? We mislynched... how the hell would she know if she was even on the right track or not until Teirce's flip?

I'm near the end of my timestream. I'm tired, and I've seen many people become killed since my last regeneration. I'm displeased with it, but I've seen the signs and know I will change soon. I'll protect everyone again before that.

You'll 'protect' everyone 'again?' by 'killing' people? Flavor does not match role, and where the hell does 'again' come into play? You're 'displeased' with seeing people killed... so you kill more? No...

If you were town... MoI has tailored your role to be mislynched... I don't see him doing that.

I wrote my post before reading the rest. I assumed that kortul hid behind me because I did commute last night. Any actions that would have been taken towards me definitely would have hit him if he did, indeed, hid behind me. Since I'm neutered now to just being a townie, I'd rather come out with that information as a means to help the town rather than stay quiet.

So as a powerless townie... who fears the scum is after her... You choose to tell them you are a bad kill... so they can better hunt our power roles? ... Did you think this through... like... at all?

This is the first time that I've ever really crumbed in all my time playing, but I figured with a role of such high importance as Rose, that I should.

Juuuuuuust... making small talk... Trivia you might say... The last Doctor Who mafia I was in... I was scum... and guess who my safeclaim was. =3

Starbuck you breadcrumbed because tierce loves em, not because a 1-shot commuter is a superb role.

MoI is going to hand out some good scum fakes (hello River Song). Tierce got all excited in the scum qt and you followed along.

So you're telling us you've read the scum QT then?

[Starbuck]

I didn't get all excited in the scum QT because I don't have access to it on account that I am town.

Nothing that I have done is on account of Tierce AT ALL.

Think about it, Rose as a commuter makes sense even if only 1-shot.

[Korlash]

Rose as a commuter makes sense even if only 1-shot.

*puts head in hands*

I consider myself a fakeclaim connoisseur, I learned from the great herself... This... Suggests without a hint of a doubt that what you have claimed is fabricated...

[Starbuck]

ow does being a commuter kill the hider targeting you?

I linked the MafiaWiki page about Hiders in my post. You should read it.

And why did Starbuck feel the scum were scared of her? We mislynched... how the hell would she know if she was even on the right track or not until Teirce's flip?

With the fact that I was on the right track (even without knowing it), does that not give scum a reason?

So as a powerless townie... who fears the scum is after her... You choose to tell them you are a bad kill... so they can better hunt our power roles? ... Did you think this through... like... at all?

That's not why I claimed. I claimed because I thought that I could help with figuring out how the hider died.

Juuuuuuust... making small talk... Trivia you might say... The last Doctor Who mafia I was in... I was scum... and guess who my safeclaim was. =3

Okay, so what does that have to do with this game?

[Starbuck]

Rose as a commuter makes sense even if only 1-shot.

*puts head in hands*

I consider myself a fakeclaim connoisseur, I learned from the great herself... This... Suggests without a hint of a doubt that what you have claimed is fabricated...

No, it does not suggest that I fabricated my role.

I had a hard time trying to figure out why Rose (someone who is a major character in Doctor Who) would be relegated to only being a commuter. I can see it now because of the amount of times that the Doctor has thrown her ass in the TARDIS and sent her away to keep her safe. Thus, why it makes sense.

[Iecerint]

I think it's a travesty that Rose apparently does not have flavor or abilities related to her Phoenix powers.

[Zang]

I consider myself a fakeclaim connoisseur, I learned from the great herself... This... Suggests without a hint of a doubt that what you have claimed is fabricated...

I agree that the wording is terrible but I don't see why scum would fake claim for absolutely no reason.

Town don't really have a reason to either but they are much more likely to do it.

[Korlash]

I linked the MafiaWiki page about Hiders in my post. You should read it.

I did, I post things as I read them and I hadn't read it when I posed that question.

With the fact that I was on the right track (even without knowing it), does that not give scum a reason?

Yes, it might give scum a reason to, but YOU wouldn't know you were on the right track. The only way you could have KNOWN you were on the right track is if you KNEW Teirce was scum...

That's not why I claimed. I claimed because I thought that I could help with figuring out how the hider died.

Yeah and I just illustrated why that was a bad move for a townie to make.

Okay, so what does that have to do with this game?

It has to do with me and my life... Thus it is relevant and important and you mus know about it! <3

Seems a little defensive for something I admitted was simple trivia... Implies it had nothing to do with this game...

No, it does not suggest that I fabricated my role.

Yeah, it does.

I had a hard time trying to figure out why Rose (someone who is a major character in Doctor Who) would be relegated to only being a commuter. I can see it now because of the amount of times that the Doctor has thrown her ass in the TARDIS and sent her away to keep her safe. Thus, why it makes sense.

I'll give you a chance, flavor... now... as much as you can...

[Iecerint]

Iece is scum. Scum meaning not town. I don't know the alignment. But trust me. He's scum. Lynch it.

The objective probability that I am town is much higher than the probability that I am mafia. I (probably) killed Tierce.

You can have legitimate SK-flavored spec because of how my role is set-up, but that's all.

With the possible exceptions of GreyICE and maybe Korlash (only because of the 3rd person POV that I could be bluffing about targeting Tierce -- but that requires a pretty implausible interpretation of my claim), I am objectively the least likely mafia member in this game.