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↑ Sotty7 wrote:
Jason, unvote CES at least while you spend the weekend in a drunk stupor. Pretty convinced he is town at this point.

Just out of interest, what made you change your mind on CES being scum?

↑ Syryana wrote:@Dazed, am I understanding your concern correctly? You're worried that Jason is scum because of Nacho bussing him for two days and the informed posts?

Yes. It's not like Nacho pushed really hard for a Jason lynch either.

Jason, you ever play with CES before?

The main thing is PoE, Syryana. But his push on you has also seemed uninterested and mechanical. See e.g. #482.

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:

↑ Sotty7 wrote:
Jason, unvote CES at least while you spend the weekend in a drunk stupor. Pretty convinced he is town at this point.

Just out of interest, what made you change your mind on CES being scum?

Nacho's RB flip. What do you think about that?

I would love for D+C to dump some knowledge in the game so we can move forward. Currently leaning Syryana.

I would kind of love anyone to dump some knowledge at this point. I'm seriously hating how dead this game is.

CES, did you read through my scum game? What about Syryana's scum game?

prod dodge/

I think Zach needs to reduce the prod timer to like 12 hours or something. This is ridiculous.

↑ Sotty7 wrote:Nacho's RB flip. What do you think about that?

It honestly surprised me, I had him lower on the scum reads. If he flipped scum, I expected goon. So it was a great blow to scum to get their RB taken out.

↑ Dazed and Confused wrote:

↑ Syryana wrote:@Dazed, am I understanding your concern correctly? You're worried that Jason is scum because of Nacho bussing him for two days and the informed posts?

Yes. It's not like Nacho pushed really hard for a Jason lynch either.

Jason, you ever play with CES before?

A few times I believe. And yes, Nacho was pushing a lot for my lynch.

↑ Syryana wrote:I think Zach needs to reduce the prod timer to like 12 hours or something. This is ridiculous.

Its the weekend, weekends are usually less active

↑ Syryana wrote:I would kind of love anyone to dump some knowledge at this point. I'm seriously hating how dead this game is.

Have you any knowledge of your own to dump?

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:It honestly surprised me, I had him lower on the scum reads. If he flipped scum, I expected goon. So it was a great blow to scum to get their RB taken out.

No I mean, what do you think about CES hyposcum pushing Nacho confirmed roleblocker from day one when the scum would know that they had a cop and doc to contend with.

↑ Sotty7 wrote:No I mean, what do you think about CES hyposcum pushing Nacho confirmed roleblocker from day one when the scum would know that they had a cop and doc to contend with.

Unless I'm misunderstanding this setup, the mafia didn't know there were PRs of any kind until Whiskers flipped. I just don't see CES bussing his roleblocker from the get-go in that kind of situation.

On the other hand, I see Nacho bussing his goon, like D+C theorized. Gonna have to think about it.

↑ Syryana wrote:Unless I'm misunderstanding this setup, the mafia didn't know there were PRs of any kind until Whiskers flipped. I just don't see CES bussing his roleblocker from the get-go in that kind of situation.

I was just about to post the same

Before the flip scum only knew it was a possibility.

Day 2... would scum bus a RBer though with a confirmed cop/doc/RB/Goon setup in their opinion. I think that is what Sotty is asking

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:It honestly surprised me, I had him lower on the scum reads. If he flipped scum, I expected goon. So it was a great blow to scum to get their RB taken out.

Is that something you explicitly thought about? Whether people made sense as RB or Goon?

↑ FourTrouble wrote:CES, did you read through my scum game? What about Syryana's scum game?

Yarr. I mostly drew the same conclusions from reading them - competent but readable; if it's not Jason, scum is playing a better scum game than I'd expect from them. Syryana's scum style seems more distinctive though and your scum play being worse seems more plausible given you had to deal with Monkeyman.

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:I was just about to post the same

Before the flip scum only knew it was a possibility.

Day 2... would scum bus a RBer though with a confirmed cop/doc/RB/Goon setup in their opinion. I think that is what Sotty is asking

Would scum do it? Possibly. Would CESscum do it? I'm leaning towards no, as that would be really dangerous with a doc on the loose and we saw last night the doc stopped the NK. CES doesn't strike me as the type to trade his NK for some towncred.

↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote: Syryana's scum style seems more distinctive though

I'd like to have a (short) conversation with you involving this after the game is over, if you don't mind. It'd be nice to have a professional laser-eyes give me some insights on my scum play.

↑ Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Is that something you explicitly thought about? Whether people made sense as RB or Goon?

Eh, not overly... The setups show more chances of a goon flip than a RB flip though.

Hey, Sotty. Since you're leaning towards me as the last scum, what do you think of my hammer?

↑ Sotty7 wrote:I would love for D+C to dump some knowledge in the game so we can move forward. Currently leaning Syryana.

Not much for me to say. I still think it's Jason. I didn't get a chance to speak with Mina about her Syryana suspicions before she had to go off and be busy but she's leaning that way too. FT is weird, I read through that scum game and he spent most of it tunneling Monkeyman and I could definitely see him doing something similar here with another weak scummy looking player in Rach but there are a few things that give me pause (like that self meta bit about bussing Nacho, which I kinda believe).

You and CES can answer the question I put to Sotty also, D+C. And am I correct in understanding that if you had to pick a vote right now, you'd pick Jason?

↑ Syryana wrote:And am I correct in understanding that if you had to pick a vote right now, you'd pick Jason?

Yes. (At least this head, anyway.)

If I'm remembering it right, my other head thought your hammer was weird and scummy, particularly because you spent a lot of that Day pushing a case on CES that relied in part on his quickhammer. My own worry about it is that the hammer was basically done as an appeal to FT, the guy you're now voting.

Oh and Jason, if you've played with CES before then why exactly are you finding it scummy that he's dropping reasonless votes?

↑ Dazed and Confused wrote:My own worry about it is that the hammer was basically done as an appeal to FT, the guy you're now voting.

What do you mean, an appeal to FT? Like, I hammered my partner to get FT to back off?