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Night 2 begins now. Deadline will be Sunday, June 16th at 6am PDT or in (expired on 2013-06-16 06:00:00)

You all wake up the next morning, celebrating the fact that you lynched Mafia yesterday.. and find a graphic reminder that your work is not yet complete.

, was killed Night 2

Day 3 starts now.

Ah fuck... Well thanks for the day 2 help Mattel, we do this today in your honor.

Going by their votes alone, linxie and enomis are the two that weren't on Jason. We know that Jason likes the bus strat so really noone can be counted out, even me. So where was the last scum hiding...

VOTE: linxie

It's a good place to start

VOTE: uctriton.

My reasoning for this is the same as yesterday. Their interactions scumbuddies. uctriton and Jason started with an early distancing act, where they attacked each other to look good, but later this pressure on one another pretty much entirely vanished. Only in day two did it resurface, in a similar (but stronger) fashion. As soon as the pressure made it look like Jason might be lynched, uct bailed from the wagon and joined the counterwagon--had I not unvoted, he would have hammered Lucky2u. And it was only I called him out on this that he switched back onto Jason, as the hammering vote.

As far as a scumteam goes, that's pretty dang condemning.

But hammering his buddy? That's pretty strong bus claim mastin

In post 604, Lucky2u wrote:But hammering his buddy? That's pretty strong bus claim mastin

Yes, which is precisely why it's supposed to be so effective. A huge part of scum play is risk-reward analysis. What risk was there of hammering Jason? There was some, yes, but very little.

What reward would there be in hammering Jason?

Exactly the reaction you're giving. "He wouldn't hammer his scumbuddy, would he?" Except he is perfectly capable of having done so, and thoughts to the contrary have led to MANY town losses. Again, as far as risk-reward goes, uctriton hit the jackpot and is cashing out on it.

We are few in number so want to see what the morning opinion is of everyone. I've said mine and so has mastin.

, turned , modkilled Day 3 for violation of

Wow... What the fuck happened?

So... noone wants to contribute?

you bitter, bitter scum buddy. More on why it's you later, but good game and we've won, game is over.

But as what I promised,

I quick hammered on Jason because Mattel claimed cop and I had to QH to end the day ASAP, before everyone else figured it out.

Unfortunately Jason role fished and baited Mattel into stopping the role fish, which Jason immediately outed him.

This was a trust exercise: I had to trust mattel's claim. It was day 2, and if I got the wrong hammer, then obviously a fake claim happened. To me it was completely worth the gamble. I've said that ad nauseum, that this isn't a game breaking LYLO decision and we can be wrong if needed. I didn't want to live with the extremely hard to read Jason and have to. If Jason was the real cop, I would have easily killed Mattel for the fake claim. And I sincerely believe that when a town self hammers, you don't ignore it. Unless they were trolling, and RC being an experienced player, I wanted to give him a listen.

You want clarification, ask and I'll tell you.

Now with the info we got:
Mattel dead as a policy kill.
Lucky, I want to call town just for his actions today day 3.

But here is what we also got day 3: an EXTREMELY OMGUS MASTIN saying that I've bussed my partner.

I am town beyond god damned belief, and I tried my best, my sincere best, to draw the night kill. I wanted to be a VT who died in place of mattel's claim, had it been true. I used all the pomp and circumstance to boast I'd break the game open. Unfortunately Mattel was caught dead.

Mastin's omgus seals the game and the victory for us. You've slipped, bud.

Lucky in twilight is extremely town though. Him, Mattel, me, all in twilight.

Scum buddy had to stfu. Scum buddies always stfu in twilight.

Mastin I'm going to check if he participated, but I don't remember if he did.

Bailed from the wagon? What are you talking about? I had a read on gut Jason, then now had it on lucky, then back to Jason once Mattel provided proof.

Mastin you're dead and your team lost and this game is over

Double checked, mastin went into deep hiding during twilight

And of course ill humbly apologize to Mattel behind the glass window, although I wonder who he did to violate the game.

And lucky take your vote off line, put it on either me or mastin, I'm drawing the battle line today, Radiant Cowbell style.

Linnie I think is town just by the twilight tells
Enomis the same thing

ok ucrit, I am going with my gut from day 1 and that was you were townie.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastin

It's not lylo, if we shoot and miss it's unfortunate, but I think we got this.

overall, I am going to write ucrit town, the other three are questionable.

Notes on my thoughts so far: Jason said a few things which have me questioning what he would usually do. This is difficult to explain, so I'm just basically going to say that his wifom has screwed my thinking and there are too many "what ifs" for me at the moment. I don't like that Mastin is on L1 either, it makes me nervous (Then again I was completely wrong about Jason and he was in the same position), so I would like to hear thoughts/opinions first before making my mind up.

In post #514 you say Mastin is a null read because of his unvote on you and vote on Jason, then in post #617 you follow Uctriton and put Mastin at L1. What made you change your mind? You also say that you're going with your gut on D1 that Uct is town, but according to your gut back then, Uct was scum, and again you say he is scum on D2 (post #514). According to how you felt, you should have voted Uct, no?

(unsure and weary) The reasons why I'm weary are because: Jason's second vote was on Paradigm for stupid reasons (and I'm taking Jason's love for bussing into the equation here), but you on the other hand seem to me a good player and have blended in rather nicely, which Jason mentioned (not in those words though) and thus do not require his bussing. I'm always weary of those who blend in without much notice, those who "fly under the radar" so to speak. Since we're all VT (except one), there should be no reason to blend in. Also your apparent shock at having 2 townies lynched appeared to be an act. The reason why I'm unsure however, is that you never hammered when you held the hammer.

(scummy vibe but leaning towards town) I like your explanation in post #610 and I don't really buy Jason's attempt at confusing people to vote for you. Before Jason had told his scum buddy to kill Mattel, you picked up on Mattel's alignment and took a chance by withholding your info. Your surprise and happiness when you found out you were right look genuine. Also the fact that you asked Lucky to either vote for you or Mastin (you're prepared to die to out a possible scummy) leads me to believe you're town. Are you only voting Mastin based on his vote for you (which I find is a good enough reason to vote) or are you still going to share your thoughts?

(towny read but weary) Mastin is a mostly towny read due to his "read reversal" post (this one is a bit two sided though). I've been thinking about this for the majority of the weekend and it doesn't make sense to me that a scummy would jump off a wagon which was about to be hammered and bus his scum buddy. Granted it could have been a big "play" to remove any suspicion, but scum could have got rid of a towny instead of a scummy, then be in lylo next day without the cop. What I am weary about is Mastin's post #605 where he mentions "risk-reward analysis" because his early vote on Jason and his read reversal would put him pretty high up on the town list.

To summarise:
I am currently weary of those who did as well as those did not vote for Jason since there are benefits to both, more so those who did. Those who didn't can claim they believe he was town and are therefore innocent and couldn't be bussing their partner, those who did got rid of a scum and should therefore get town status.

linxie, read my post 38. I didn't explicitly saying he was town but I was defending against a wagon that building on him for no reason. Then in post 81 I said he was a town read. I don't know how you missed that. In fact, your sort of saying that me and ucrit are your top two reads which is wierd because you also soft read mastin as towny. Really? Your reads are all terrible.

I will catch up on this tomorrow. Just made 2 rather medium-sized wall post on other threads and i am very tired now.
Gd night.

In post 610, uctriton00 wrote:I quick hammered on Jason because Mattel claimed cop and I had to QH to end the day ASAP, before everyone else figured it out.

Unfortunately Jason role fished and baited Mattel into stopping the role fish, which Jason immediately outed him.

This was a trust exercise: I had to trust mattel's claim. It was day 2, and if I got the wrong hammer, then obviously a fake claim happened. To me it was completely worth the gamble. I've said that ad nauseum, that this isn't a game breaking LYLO decision and we can be wrong if needed. I didn't want to live with the extremely hard to read Jason and have to. If Jason was the real cop, I would have easily killed Mattel for the fake claim. And I sincerely believe that when a town self hammers, you don't ignore it. Unless they were trolling, and RC being an experienced player, I wanted to give him a listen.

But here is what we also got day 3: an EXTREMELY OMGUS MASTIN saying that I've bussed my partner.

I am town beyond god damned belief, and I tried my best, my sincere best, to draw the night kill. I wanted to be a VT who died in place of mattel's claim, had it been true. I used all the pomp and circumstance to boast I'd break the game open. Unfortunately Mattel was caught dead.

Mastin's omgus seals the game and the victory for us. You've slipped, bud.

OMGUS my ass. are the one OMGUS'ing , not vice-versa. As for the cop thingy, I will accept that you figured it out eventually (he did end up dead, after all), but I'm calling bullshit on your explanation. I find nothing wrong with your statement that you found it worth the gamble (it definitely was worth a try, triton), but that you hammered despite apparently also being aware of Jason's breadcrumbs is proof that everything you're saying is a lie. If you saw 'crumbs from Jason and saw 'crumbs from mattel, you would , not immediately hammer. Look at things from a you-as-town perspective. You see both 'crumbing. You might be the only one who sees both have crumbed. You, not knowing which is real, hammer. And get things wrong. The scum nightkill you. And bam. Both scum are alive, and if you were the only one who picked up on the 'crumbs, then you have no way of finishing the 1v1. You-as-town would realize this, and not rely on ambiguities.

I figured out mattel's claim (hence my reversal onto Jason), but I had no clue Jason was 'crumbing cop at all. But had I done so, had I known, I would have done the town thing and waited to hear both sides before making an educated decision. That decision would likely have been to lynch Jason, after analyzing the strength of the claims and figuring that mattel's was much stronger. As town, that's what a person does when they see two players counterclaiming. They don't know which is real, so they try to figure it out.

As scum, you already knew Jason was fakeclaiming. Heck, he might have even told you he was going to 'crumb cop in the scum QT, specifically so that you could see it and use it if you chose to. So as scum, you didn't need to figure out which claim was true. You voted Jason for the towncred which would be gained from it.

In post 613, uctriton00 wrote:Double checked, mastin went into deep hiding during twilight

And this is the final nail in coffin, triton. Simple meta research will show you that as town, I never take part in wifom-laced twilights. As scum, I'm right there discussing like a champion, to induce the wifom. The fact that I was absent proves that I am town, because I specifically avoided trying to contribute to the wifom. I specifically avoided trying to give the scum more info. I specifically avoided trying to make this game more mindscrewy.

And because I know triton's going to attempt to bring up PyP as an example of me talking in twilight, let me show you the posts there and how carefully they are worded.

I need to reread that wall you wrote but I just want to make something clear,

I have no idea what you're talking about.