Mini 1468: Legends of the Hidden Temple- Game Over!

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom
How is Amrun an information lynch if only I could be scum with her? If no one else is then maybe, I dunno, she's NOT scum? Ever think of that.

I said it's not only an information lynch. All my accusations on her did not disappear because she AtE'd in one post. I still think she's very likely scum.

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cos if he had offsite experience he would be using it to say "hey I am not a newb!" and he isn't.

And why do you rule out the possibility that he WANTS to be called newbtown because he's actually scum and that's why he doesn't say that?

i am guessing you mean this one.

you question doesn't even make sense

are you saying you think he has offsite experience yes or no

No I do not mean this one, mollie.
I mean what AP unvoting or not unvoting had to do with what we were discussing (the reaction test) when you brought it up, and how the hell does Venmar performing a reaction test bring attention on himself. Two things that make absolutely no sense yet you have still not explained them to me.
As for this question, it makes perfect sense. Why are you calling him a newbie instead of assuming that he is scum trying to act like a newbie?

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2. when you perform a reaction test it puts you as the center of attention. <-----this is not a hard concept to grasp. he would accountable for his actions and the reads that he generated. he would have to have a very good plan to allow for the progressions of his reads for the rest of the game. <---- I already explained this.

I thought that fake-hammering someone puts that someone in the center of attention, not the one who fake-hammered.

Also I answered you, if you don't read my posts it's not my fault.

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1. I have seen scum self-vote in untimed games before. they almost always unvote when a a couple of votes are placed on them. on this site it seems to be more of a town tell (re: polygamy). I say "almost" cos I could see it being a possibility but I think it is unlikely.

You were talking about this while we were discussing about AP's reaction to the fake-hammer. This had nothing to do with that discussion and it's a generalization anyway.
My point is you didn't involve yourself in the discussion about the fake-hammer, you said that you townread AP for something irrelevant.

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That's not why I'm scumreading mollie; however I gotta admit she's getting townier.

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Venmar disappeared because ???

He said he'd be away for a day I think

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I know that. I was asking those specific people for their opinions on the likelihood of one team having 2 scum on it.

What will that accomplish?

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Actually, you've spent a lot of time describing how I'm NOT very likely scum, because I don't make sense in any reasonable scumteam. Possible partners DO matter. It's not an end-all be-all, and don't let one little thing rule out a whole scumteam (I've been ruined by this, famously), but don't not take those things into account and let yourself tunnel on someone because you don't like their playstyle. This won't mean anything to you until I have flipped, of course, but remember it then.

The fact

I think

you don't make sense with anyone does not mean you don't. It only means you have hided it well. That's why lynching people based on who makes sense with them is unwise.
And wtf are you talking about, I don't think I said anything about your playstyle.

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What are your reads on qwints and enomis?

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How was it general..? You said that I am tunneling on you because I don't like your playstyle..?

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And where did you analyze Elyse?

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Other than 1543, which basically says the same thing I say about Elyse (how she isn't a likely NS partner because of what she said), you've hardly mentioned her all game other than to call her town.

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Dunno about taurus, but this looks to me like the scumteam is NS/Amrun/Elyse, Elyse did that on purpose, and Amrun used that to townread her.

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Because she questioned why I was so certain that he was flipping town. That would show a townie who doesn't know what NS is going to flip and finds me, who supported "NS is compromise, he's surely flipping town", suspicious.
But Amrun's defence of it makes me believe that it could have been faked.

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If NS flips town then YOU are the fourth scum. You're acting like you know he'll flip town and are setting me up.

But read this.
What is the scum motivation here? If she knows NS is not flipping town, then she knows she won't be able to accuse me next.
The only possibility is that she's purposefully saying this to gain towncred after NS flips scum.

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And if NS flips town then idk I'll have to reevaluate my reads.

But you have a point that this^ could be scum. She doesn't care what happens if NS flips town, and she doesn't have an alternative scumteam for that case. It could be because she knows this isn't going to happen.

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I think we've hit the jackpot there.
But who the hell is the fourth scum in that case?

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Actually qwints switched to enomis I think, so he might make sense indeed.

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Yeh it ain't Jiffy.
Could you see enomis as a possibility?

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If Elyse is scum, then the conclusion she made that "there can't be scum-scum teams" would probably mean there are. It already felt like a forced conclusion when she made it, but now that I'm thinking about it she could be scum with Safety and the whole thing could be faked anyway.

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She didn't have much choice though, we agreed that we would do that, and the plan on agreeing was hers in the first place.

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Well don't worry about that, you'll flip soon.

[Wisdom]

Do you want to be dead?
You can always make that happen.

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k then, someone will hammer you eventually, be patient.

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Fucking game.

Why is Amrun not dead yet?

Elyse I am not even going to answer to you because you don't read. I found the fourth partner too, so stop saying that nobody makes sense as scum with Amrun. You and qwints do fine.

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Grimgroove what the fuck are you doing vote Amrun again

[Wisdom]

Grim, why not drop the "too scummy to be scum" nonsense and vote enomis?

See this shit

He came in the game and instantly scumread Amrun, but now he wants to lynch enomis instead

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Amrun - Didn't know how many scum there were, doesn't make sense with anyone as scum (besides me I guess but I know I'm town), similar thought process to me

lol forgot everything scummy Amrun has done in this game in favor of that "didnt know how many scum there are" which WAS OBVIOUSLY PLANTED.

WHY THE HELL ARE THOSE TWO STILL ALIVE DAMNIT.

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Elyse giving so many townreads is indeed very townish. Scum wouldn't do that in a nightless.

Tell me you're being sarcastic or something here.

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And lol that I'm scum with Safety. Yeah definitely. That's why I wanted to lynch him first today.

Yeah because bussing is not an optimal strategy when 3 scum are in the lynchpool of 4

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Who's the fourth? Answer: no one.

Answer: qwints.
Which answer was given already.
But no, discredit us and act like we never figured out who is the fourth.
And like I fucking said, even if NOBODY made sense with her as scum, SHE'S SCUM BECAUSE OF HER OWN ACTIONS. We will not lynch based on who makes sense with who.

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why the hell didn't enomis hammer ffs
Where is AP

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Except it does

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other reasons I town read her which there are like 5,

No there aren't. This was the only reason. The other stuff you had was "oh she's scummy for that, but here she cancels it, here she says it again"

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Why are townies so anti-town..

Anyway, Elyse is still scum. Her townreading on Amrun was the definition of WKing.
Since Amrun was town, Elyse's partner is probably enomis or qwints. Or both.
So I'd suggest another red vs green round.
Or someone else to challenge green again.

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I don't want Grim to challenge anyone. He's town.
Either Red or Orange should challenge Green.

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@wisdom: what happened that make you think I am scum when you were so sure I was town?
Your change seems abit awkward.

I thought your QT talk was genuine; but since Amrun was town, the QT talk being genuine does not mean you're town anymore.
In any case I suspect Elyse much more than you.

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green vs orange

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If Orange challenge you against the town's will, we'll just lynch whoever does it.

I want red vs green or orange vs green.

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Where did he state he will challenge you? I remember him stating that enomis is scum regardless of Amrun's flip.

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That's not intent to challenge.

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So enomis, would you agree to challenge Green?

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At this point im willing to sheep AP's reads.

You never gave your reads yesterday, and here you're basically saying that you won't do it today either?

Also I'm interested in your QT, you're the only pair who didn't share what has been said there with us.

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What about the QT chat is affected by the Amrun flip?

enomis' QT talk seemed genuine, it didn't look like a QT discussion that was faked by scum. That didn't mean that enomis is necessarily town, but it meant that not both of them are scum. I thought that the most likely is enomis-town and Amrun-scum. Amrun flipped town however, so we know that the QT talk was genuine anyway (since at least one town was participating in it), therefore enomis could be scum despite his QT talk being genuine. In other words, the QT talk that gave him townpoints does not do so any longer.

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@Wisdom: ya sec. Where did you talk about yours?

When NS flipped I posted all of it

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Our Qt has 43 messages. I'm too lazy to post them, it's mostly us bantering on who we think is scum since we've both come to agree that we're both town. AP has been pretty convincing and though out as of late though, hence why I am inclined to sheep him since my Amrun scumread failed and no one wants to listen to me about Wisdom.

Can you just tell us what is your personal read on everyone that is alive?

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Asks me my alignment after I was 'hammered'
I was afk

?
You were here when he fake-hammered

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Yes, but you share it with Grimgroove

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Grim did, Majiffy agreed

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I don't know if I townread him.. I reread the end of the day and his actions don't make any sense.
I really feel I don't know shit right now.

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Both Grim and enomis seem to want Elyse in the lynchpool, and they don't want to challenge each other. Possibly because they thought they'll have my support on an Elyse lynch.
I guess you guys might be right about them.
I don't oppose the 1v1.

pedit
VOTE: grim

[Wisdom]

I told you that whoever goes against the will of the town will get lynched this time. Die.

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I find Grim/Enomis/ {Venmar/AP/Majiffy} more likely right now

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I don't know. I do find Venmar or Jiffy more likely than you.
Jiffy is actually pretty likely if Grim is indeed scum, because of what happened between them back then.

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Those posts you linked actually make me think she's town, not scum.

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Grimgroove/enomis/Majiffy

or

qwints/enomis/Majiffy

with Venmar as the wildcard.

That's what I think right now.

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You have a history of thinking backwards.

Explain how they are scummy.

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He was VOTING Amrun

no, he had switched to enomis

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I've got scumreads on both greens.

Elyse giving so many townreads is indeed very townish. Scum wouldn't do that in a nightless.

Grim called Elyse town after she gave reads, yet called her scum today again. What gives?

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You have a history of thinking backwards.

Explain how they are scummy.

First she ties herself to Amrun as if you're supposed to suddenly read her as town if Amrun flips town.
Then she repeatedly makes comments about Coug, tying those two lynches together.
She's trying to get people to mentally link her alignment to two flipped townies.

Bullcrap. I don't see any of that.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: qwints

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Majiffy has to go tomorrow. This does not feel even remotely like his town play anymore. He's not even trying.

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wtf? Policy? Did you miss the fact that I think you're scum?

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Wisdom is calling for a policy lynch on me because I didn't do what town wanted. Really? With all this other stuff to get reads from, this is his line of thinking now? And NOBODY calls him out on it.

The same goes for this btw
Wtf
I didn't vote you because you challenged.

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Actually no my vote was fine there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Grim

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Both Grim and enomis seem to want Elyse in the lynchpool, and they don't want to challenge each other. Possibly because they thought they'll have my support on an Elyse lynch.
I guess you guys might be right about them.
I don't oppose the 1v1.

Then you challenged, so I voted you.

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I missed the part where you gave any semblance of a reason to call me scum.

If you think I've forgotten what you did on D1 you're silly. I still think you're scum for that, despite you trying to cover it up.
Now if we add your odd behavior regarding the challenges ("we have suspects in Green and Orange who can challenge each other" - then "no I don't suspect anyone in Orange"), your play having become lazy and not feeling in the least bit like your townplay, your ridiculous push on Elyse, as well as PoE, then there you have enough reasons for you being scum.

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Grim, you're not this stupid.
Your actions towards the end of yesterday don't make any sense. You had been pushing Amrun forever, there is no way you would ever suddenly unvote her. You go to push Elyse instead, then you (correctly) call her town for her posts and go back to voting Amrun. And today you call Elyse scum again, like nothing happened. No. This whole thing is weird as hell. The only non-weird part is that Elyse was indeed very townish in these posts. She's town. You aren't.

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No, it was part of the reason sure. By challenging green, you avoided challenging enomis, further confirming that most likely both of you are scum. It was what town wanted, and you ignored it. And your "spur of the moment" excuses are bullshit. Majiffy maybe managed to get away with it, but you won't. You're not Majiffy. You use your brain before you act.

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Read the posts of people wanting you to challenge each other.

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I've done that already.

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Anyway
Majiffy/Grim/enomis.

I'm done second-guessing.

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Who is scum then, enomis?

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And why are you, once again, not voting?

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I don't see you trying to figure out anything

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Fucking game

UNVOTE:
VOTE: qwints

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Venmar I'm still waiting for your reads.

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if majiffy is scum I will fucking hurt him

He is, mollie.

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Not feeling qwints scum at all this game.

Does that mean you've played with qwints before?
Why do you think he's town?

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He still could be scum but a lot of the reasons I'm scumreading him are his terrible switches on people which could be just because he's easily swayed by anyone and can't think for himself.

This sounds like you're talking about me rather than Grim. What switches did Grim do?

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Why the fuck is everyone voting Elyse?
This is Coug all over

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all over again*

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why have you done fuck all with anything wrt that read?

Has he done anything with anything at all?

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Elyse is scum. Her talking about the game is just an attempt to link herself to Amrun's pre-death posting

Can you explain this?

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But yes, newer scum players are more likely to either fencesit on or ignore their buddies.

You're forgetting there's daytalk. Those theories do not apply when scum can coach each other.

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@Wisdom: Re disliking the game in general. Amrun said that before she went out, but I'm really not feeling it from Elyse in context.

I don't think Elyse ever showed any signs of liking the game. Her disliking is natural if you ask me.

The same goes for calling you annoying. It's a stretch to say that she's trying to copy it off someone else.

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Nah I think they're both town. I'm just saying what you're saying does not apply here - even newbscum (which, again, Grim is not), can ask for help if they're not sure what to do. It's not the same as in a game where scum can't talk to each other until night.

About the annoying part you may have a point now that I think about it, it's a little weird.

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No comment on me implying you are likely scum with Elyse because of yesterday?

No because just thinking that I'm scum with anyone is silly. But if you insist on it, I'd sure like you to elaborate on that.

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Let's see..
I voted Amrun, switched to qwints, back to Amrun.
enomis voted nobody and generally did nothing.
Elyse voted qwints, then enomis if I recall.

And you see this scumteam in those votes because..?

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So what do you think the scumteam is?
What do you think we should do after you flip?

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I'd prefer enomis-Majiffy tomorrow.

Did anything else happen in your QT with qwints?

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^Exactly.
The best way to go is lynch qwints and have enomis-Majiffy face off.

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LA until 9 August.

I'll still be posting when I can.

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Can we speedlynch Majiffy tomorrow? Pretty please? This screams scum now.

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Come on guys, we lynch qwints, then we lynch Majiffy. It ain't that hard.

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He merely stated that two people don't agree with the case. But I find it weird why he didn't include me, since I also find it bullshit.

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^not liking how mollie appears right when Elyse says that she disappeared.

Anyway: enomis, Majiffy, qwints. The former two more than the latter.

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Majiffy/Mollie/enomis.

I think that the reason mollie gave for townreading Majiffy was dumb, not something that they would plan, and it fits more with mollie having false townreads than them being buddies. However it isn't impossible.

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if thats enomis vs Majiffy, then yes

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enomis/Majiffy/qwints
enomis/Majiffy/mollie
enomis/mollie/qwints

It has to be one of those. Everyone else looks very town.

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wis - knows me and is acting like he doesn't, he is doing the same thing that he did in polygamist I really fucking wish someone would read that game I mean there is a reason that I linked it. I think he is snowing people left and right just like he did nacho and me.

Ok seriously WTF am I doing here that I did in Polygamy? This game really has to be my most obvtown game, I have literally posted every thought that comes to my mind, no matter how many times I may change my opinion I don't care and I just post whatever the fuck is in my mind that second. I seriously cannot believe that you can be this stupid and keep scumreading me all fucking game when in other games that I was actually scummy you could see that I was town. If you are town, seriously snap out of it because it's fucking annoying. And while you're at it, stop townreading Majiffy for bullshit reasons. His case on Elyse is a nonsensincal stretch.

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if you are town then why are you tunneling on me for really bad reasons? this is totally what you did to mara in polygamist. how is majiffy's case nonsensical?

How the fuck were my reasons on Mara in Polygamist bad? Did you forget you agreed with them?
I am not tunneling on you. I currently think, and stated one thousand times, that the scumteam is enomis/Majiffy/qwints. Guess what, that does NOT include you. I do think that you might be scum if one of those are wrong however. It is weird that you still don't townread me when you've easily townread me in other games. You said it yourself that it's scum who have weird sticky scumreads and that's exactly what you've had on me for this whole game. It's like you're searching for reasons to scumread me. How the fuck don't you see I'm town?

Majiffy's case is a stretch. He keeps saying that Elyse wants to link herself to dead people and other stuff which can be interpreted in much more simple ways. He was the one who showed me how my case on AP was a stretch because things could be seen in a much simplier way that I could not see, yet he now does it himself. I don't know what you two do privately, but in this thread Majiffy is scum. And I have not forgotten how he forgot his scumread on Grimgroove to vote Coug on D1, something that all of you have completely forgotten and ignore.

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yes you are. every time I post you are all like "mollie is scum".

wtf are you talking about, ive townread you for the biggest portion of the game and I still don't think you're scum that strongly

And yes you usually get town vibes, that's why it's weird you don't in this game.

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Her point is that mollie uses out-of-thread reasons for her townread.

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Who do you want to challenge him?
What scumteams do you see without enomis in them?

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I don't like your sudden desire to stop the scumreads on enomis.

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Well that's what I got. I didn't read most of what you posted though.

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No, nothing feels off.
The lynchpool you created is crap, and we have to scumhunt for the real scum until we're forced to lynch someone from this crap.

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I don't see silver vs green in there

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I scumread enomis and Jiffy much more. I am not even sure if I want to lynch qwints.

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Yeah except I may have second-guessed one million times but I never challenged anyone <- this directly affects the game, my secondguessing doesn't.

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Information and mislynches.

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Grim

fuck that I'm going with enomis/Majiffy/Grim

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Yeh I'm sick of your "debunking". You're quite obviously prefectly capable of doing it, so it does not mean much for me anymore.

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One thing's sure, I have not managed to get a firm townread on anyone since the beginning of the game. The main problem is not good scum, it's bad town.

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More like obvscum

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You certainly have time for AtE though, Grim.

[Wisdom]

enough flailing

[Wisdom]

enough ate

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Just trying to get a general feel for what people are thinking right now.

Just trying to see who you will sheep, got it

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namely only mollie

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Well, she just did.

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Grimgroove lately said that he does not like how we all think enomis is scum, and that it might be wrong.
Don't think anyone else has said anything good about your slot lately.

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I'm kinda tempted to hammer Elyse just because I'm feeling scum are just waiting for Seraphic to hammer Grim.

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UNVOTE:

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Don't see why it doesn't. Anyone could be scum in this clusterfuck of a game.

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We'll have one after Seraphic is ready.

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VOTE: Elyse

there you go

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I don't know. The gamestate in general made me think that's what's happening. That or both Grim and Elyse were town (scum would still be waiting in that case), in which case we were doomed anyway.
I'll share though that Majiffy in particular made me think that he's bussing Elyse with a shit case so that Grim gets lynched instead (reverse psychology).
We'll see though.

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I want Majiffy in the pool today.

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Scum is Majiffy, possibly mollie and I don't know who the fuck else.

And I thought(and had stated many times) Majiffy was scum before thinking that what he was using reverse psychology in case you forgot. That was wrong apparently, but he was still pushing a townlynch. He's still scum.

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VOTE: Majiffy

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Except he is getting lynched, mollie.

[Wisdom]

Majiffy is still alive.

This is what's unacceptable.

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Because it was popular opinion that today's challenge be Blue v Silver.

No, it wasn't. The only thing that was popular was that we wanted Blue to be in the pool (and even that was only expressed by 2-3 people).
You made this challenge because you thought that you will get Grim lynched because of yesterday's result.

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What does that matter? He knows people will vote Grim.

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What do you mean "he didn't hammer Elyse"? He was voting Elyse already.

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And how the fuck is the V/LA related to anything? He was already about to be lynched when he declared it.

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I'm feeling Majiffy/qwints right now.

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... And I'm going to get Grim lynched by voting Mollie?

..yes? You know people want to lynch him because of yesterday's result.

[Wisdom]

Complete V/LA for the next two days or so

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Not impossible.

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AP looks like scum with these last posts.
AP/Majiffy/qwints imo. The frustration about the Grim challenge is genuine - Grim is town, and AP gets frustrated we're scumreading Majiffy for the "wrong reasons".

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Good, wanna bus your buddy and challenge me?

[Wisdom]

Seriously, AP? Read the thread.

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Lol now Venmar is ready to cozy up to Wisdom.

Although I could see Wisdom scum if Majiffy is. In that event GG is probably town and Sera is prolly scum.

Good, wanna bus your buddy and challenge me?

Still waiting for you to follow up on your 2708 and do the above.

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Seriously, AP? Read the thread.

Im making a point you cheeky scumbutt.

What 'wrong' reasons are YOU reading Majiffy for since you dont think GG is scum and apparently that is the wrong reasons I am so upset about Venny reading majiffy as scum for.

Things are real simple.
You know Majiffy is scum.
You know Grim is town.
Me and Venmar both have claimed that Majiffy-Grim are both scum at some point.
You get frustrated that people connect Majiffy to Grim when you know Grim is town.
You get frustrated that Majiffy's plan didn't work as he wanted and he's being scumread.
This frustration is evident in your posts.
What does this all mean? Majiffy is scum, you are scum, Grim is town.

[Wisdom]

Proposition declined.

You can't state "I think Majiffy-scum & Wisdom-scum & Grim-town" yet continue voting Grim. It only looks like you're trying to set me up when Majiffy will flip scum, which you're seeing that is going to happen.

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This is a scumpost. Lynch this.

No, it isn't.

[Wisdom]

Except I didn't you troll bag.

I said IF Majiffy is scum THEN Wisdom might be.

Not

I think Majiffy and Wisdom are scum together.

Seriously you seem to be missing that the core of my posting is about how I DONT think Majiffy is probable scum.

Then why are you thinking about who is scum if Majiffy is scum?

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But you can't be scum cause that interferes with my other scumreads, stop.

Wanna explain that to me?

[Wisdom]

I don't think that explained it. Why can't I be scum with your scumreads?

[Wisdom]

No?

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Why can't it be Grim/Sera/Wisdom?

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...
Why the fuck don't I make sense as scum with your scumreads?
Why as town wouldn't you consider me being scum with your two scumreads?
Why are you taking so long to explain?

Because you're scum? Yes.

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yeah okay. You're scum, the end.
Now we lynch Majiffy.

[Wisdom]

Who says Sera won't vote before these happen?

[Wisdom]

Do you want me to concoct bullshit reasons to scumread you for no reason at all?

You stated I might be scum. The normal thought process for town would be to think if this new scumread makes sense with the old scumreads. Or simpler, if Grim/Sera/Wisdom makes sense. The fact you posted "you're not scum because you're conflicting with my other scum reads" looked like you were doing that, and I was about to call you town for that. However, when asked to explain, you could not do it, and you kept spamming about unrelated things instead.

[Wisdom]

Who cares who votes first,

You? You're trying to scare people off the Majiffy wagon because Sera will "trollhammer"..?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, I was being 100% humorous when I said 'don't be scum, that mucks up my reads'.

Why the fuck do you keep spamming about this? I don't fucking care about the "stop" part.

[Wisdom]

The joke part was the "stop" part.
The "You're not scum because conflict with my other scumreads" was no joke.
I don't fucking care about the joke part.

[Wisdom]

I think this is town serra.

[Wisdom]

I don't see both AP and qwints though...

Why?
Do you see AP/qwints/Majiffy as unlikely?
What about Venmar/qwints/Majiffy?

[Wisdom]

Dunno, I don't feel like this is town-Majiffy. It could be the nature of the game, making everyone bored/apathetic/not having their best town play, but I'm getting scumvibes anyway.
I could see AP/qwints/Venmar too, yeah.

[Wisdom]

His challenge for example makes me think he just hoped your slot would get lynched because it didn't yesterday. Also what do you think of his behavior towards Grim on D1? He challenged your team to vote Grim, then he changed his vote to Coug, not caring about his Grim scumread anymore.

[Wisdom]

And then subsequently vote Mollie?

...yes?
I don't get why you keep repeating this. You may vote whoever you want, your motive doesn't change. You knew people want Grim lynched, so you challenged. It doesn't matter who

you

voted.

[Wisdom]

Goddamnit, can we just lynch Majiffy? I don't want to go to lylo with 4 suspects.

[Wisdom]

Look at all the scum on the serra wagon

[Wisdom]

So if you wanted to lynch your partner you would challenge someone who is much more likely to get lynched than the person you want lynched? Think that through again... nope. It's fake. He knew your slot would get lynched over mollie.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, do you actually think all scum are currently voting for me?

Majiffy changed his vote, but in the last votecount all 4 of my scumspects were voting you, yes.

[Wisdom]

I don't see why they would. If the plan is to get your slot lynched, that's who they'll push. qwints' "let's do what we should have done yesterday" is especially indicative of this.

[Wisdom]

You do have a point about his antagonizing mollie though. The only explanation I can think of is mollie being also scum and the whole thing being done so she can earn cred by bussing him.
.. or him being actually town.

[Wisdom]

Meh.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: mollie

[Wisdom]

serra's point about Majiffy not having to antagonize mollie is very good - either they're both scum and she's bussing him as part of the plan or Majiffy is actually town (and therefore mollie likely scum).

[Wisdom]

If mollie is scum, you probably are town.
How do you feel about mollie/Venmar/qwints?

[Wisdom]

If any Sera is scum at all, it's Seraphic.
But I think they're both town.

[Wisdom]

This is scum-mollie, serra.

[Wisdom]

Now that I read her posts.

[Wisdom]

Her last posts remind me of scum-mollie.

[Wisdom]

mollie/Venmar/qwints
Seraphic if qwints is wrong.

Now let's finish mollie.

[Wisdom]

These switches to Majiffy when mollie is in danger...

mollie/Venmar/qwints it is.

[Wisdom]

serra can you vote mollie again?

[Wisdom]

She said Majiffy was not interested in her reaction when his posts show that he was.

[Wisdom]

If she knows it's wrong and says it anyway, isn't it a lie?

[Wisdom]

Nah, it's the way scum-mollie deals with accusations.

[Wisdom]

Sigh. No clue which of the two is mollie's buddy...

[Wisdom]

Well some of them are just scum.

[Wisdom]

The problem is which is scum - qwints who voted Majiffy the instant mollie was in danger, or Seraphic who comes and sheeps what other people say "omg this was not a lie" and uses that to vote Majiffy as well?

[Wisdom]

Why would she point out her own mistake/"lie" if it was intentional?

What are you talking about?

[Wisdom]

mollie supported that there were no signs of Majiffy caring about her reactions, and that this fact was obvious and was right there in the thread.
The truth is that there are plenty of signs of Majiffy caring about her reactions.
Therefore mollie was twisting the truth. also known as lying.
There are no different interpretations.
There is mollie lying. Because that's how she deals with accusations.

[Wisdom]

It's not contradicting. What mollie is saying is that "guys what im saying is obvious! its right there in the thread!", and that's the lie because right there in the thread there are actually plenty of posts showing what Majiffy's intent was.

[Wisdom]

If your point is "but wait wouldnt she check what Majiffy had actually said before saying that?", the answer is no, because mollie does not bother reading.

[Wisdom]

ofc you dont
mollie/Venmar/qwints it is, Seraphic's misunderstanding seems genuine.

[Wisdom]

mollie vs Venmar please

[Wisdom]

no because scum will somehow convince you to challenge another town and win.
We're doing mollie vs Venamr.

[Wisdom]

Venmar*

[Wisdom]

Do you still doubt that mollie is scum?

[Wisdom]

Go on

[Wisdom]

...
thought so.
And ofc you're not going to challenge mollie.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: venmar