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In post 597, Grimgroove wrote:You asked for the obvious, meaning to play more stupid than you are.

The obvious. Because it makes so much sense that someone who (according to you) has accepted he will die, asks you to continue posting in the QT. Why would he ask that? To see how you're thinking? It makes completely no sense and I wouldn't be surprised if you made that up to rush a hammer on him ("he gave up guys, lets do it").

Well, we'll see what StrangerCoug has to say about it. I stated specifically I would want to hear his last words. As if I'd risk being caught in a lie like that. You should know I'm a tad smarter than that.

If you put them right under each other, everyone can see how silly and unnatural this question was. Trying to fake some sense of wonder, but you overdid it and made yourself look a bit stupid. (no disrespect)

In post 587, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 585, Wisdom wrote:

In post 581, Grimgroove wrote:In the QT he practically ackowledged to be giving up

What did he say?

He gave me some sort of "last will", asking me to keep posting in the QT in case he dies before I do.

In post 589, Wisdom wrote:And wait, I don't understand this
He asked you to keep posting in the QT if he dies?

In post 600, Wisdom wrote:

In post 597, Grimgroove wrote:You asked for the obvious, meaning to play more stupid than you are.

The obvious. Because it makes so much sense that someone who (according to you) has accepted he will die, asks you to continue posting in the QT. Why would he ask that? To see how you're thinking? It makes completely no sense and I wouldn't be surprised if you made that up to rush a hammer on him ("he gave up guys, lets do it").

Let's get wild here, and let's assume for a moment, until he gets here, that he did say it and I'm not lying. You say it doesn't make sense. Why would someone say something that doesn't make sense? It's hard to find a reason right?
I found one. Appeal to Emotion. Hence my intent to hammer.

By the way, you just said it doesn't make sense. But earlier you asked why he couldn't do that as town. Now I'm asking you: Why could he do it as town?

If StrangerCoug claims to not have said it, I'd be more than happy to be mislynched, knowing StrangerCoug and you will be next.

He might have said it, but it looked weird, which is why I asked you to explain it to me.
AtE is not a scumtell. Town and scum alike use it.
But this doesn't even sound like AtE. Why would he think that "continue posting in the QT if I die" would somehow convince you that he's town?

This AtE is definitely scummish. I'm sure you can tell the difference. He didn't do an AtE here (or not as obvious) because he knew it would backfire for sure, but he probably thought he could try his luck with a newb like me, who has shown himself sensitive to outbursts of Majiffy, pirate_mollie and Amrun earlier. He probably thought he could cash in on my emotional way of playing.

And he thought it could convince me because what he said clearly implies a sincere interest in my role.
Tell me, Wisdom, when would someone be interested in my role?
When they don't know it. When they're town.
That's the message StrangerCoug was really trying to send me, but it backfired because I saw through it like I see through an open window.
And you got caught in the middle of it.
Two for one.
Sweet.

In post 600, Wisdom wrote:

In post 597, Grimgroove wrote:You asked for the obvious, meaning to play more stupid than you are.

The obvious. Because it makes so much sense that someone who (according to you) has accepted he will die, asks you to continue posting in the QT. Why would he ask that? To see how you're thinking? It makes completely no sense and

I wouldn't be surprised if you made that up to rush a hammer on him

("he gave up guys, lets do it").

And I want to stress this argument you made,b ecause it makes it abundantly clear you've started grasping at straws. Nobody in their right mind would think I could possible invent something like this.

What are you talking about? Interested in your role? What role? Do you realize this is mountainous?

My role: If I'm scum or not.
Only town would want to know that after dying, because scum already knows.
Of course, StrangerCoug does indeed know, but he wanted to pretend he didn't through his AtE.

I don't get it
He didn't ask you to tell him if you are town
He asked you to continue posting
How the hell is it AtE

In post 609, Wisdom wrote:He didn't ask you to tell him if you are town
He asked you to continue posting

It's the same thing. If I would continue posting in the QT all on my own, as if in my diary, there'd be no more reason for me to lie. He literally said he wanted to see my thought processes. Even if I wouldn't just tell him my alignment, he could easily conclude it based on these thought processes and based on the knowledge I have no reason to lie to a dead man.

And that's exactly why it IS an AtE. As I've explained above.

But you know all that. Don't think because I'm playing along now that I'm not on to you.

This all sounds crazy to me
Coug wanting to know your thought processes
But if he confirms it I'll have to accept it

The thing is, even if that was meant to be scummy AtE, winning you over wouldn't mean anything for him. He would still be lynched, even if you somehow believed he was town because of what he did and objected to his lynch.
Therefore, I don't see why he would do it as scum, no.
I don't see why he would do it as town either, it's really weird, but it surely does not mean he's scum as you want to make us somehow believe.

In post 612, Wisdom wrote:This all sounds crazy to me

In post 612, Wisdom wrote: The thing is, even if that was meant to be scummy AtE, winning you over wouldn't mean anything for him. He would still be lynched, even if you somehow believed he was town because of what he did and objected to his lynch.
Therefore, I don't see why he would do it as scum, no.

The wagons behind Majiffy and StrangerCoug don't differ that much. One voice, even mine, can be enough to tilt the balance one way or the other.

In post 614, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 612, Wisdom wrote: The thing is, even if that was meant to be scummy AtE, winning you over wouldn't mean anything for him. He would still be lynched, even if you somehow believed he was town because of what he did and objected to his lynch.
Therefore, I don't see why he would do it as scum, no.

The wagons behind Majiffy and StrangerCoug don't differ that much. One voice, even mine, can be enough to tilt the balance one way or the other.

Especially when you know StrangerCoug was more of a choice of compromise and not of conviction, and Majiffy's move wasn't appreciated by almost anyone.

I want to hear Coug confirming/explaining that

My intent to hammer was clearly a bit premature.

VOTE: StrangerCoug

He probably wants Grim to keep posting just to know his thoughts as he reads along. I don't see how this is so weird.

I don't like Wisdom even mentioning that Grim might have made it up. (Really?)

I really don't like Grim trying to push it as scummy AtE when it's probably coming from town.

VOTE: Grimgroove

Why do you think StrangerCoug is town? ("while it's probably coming from town")

In post 619, Elyse wrote:He probably wants Grim to keep posting just to know his thoughts as he reads along. I don't see how this is so weird.

I don't like Wisdom even mentioning that Grim might have made it up. (Really?)

Why would anyone want that? I don't get it

In post 574, Majiffy wrote:

In post 563, enomis wrote:What happened to make you feel so confident Coug is scum.

Weak wagon hop on a perceived easy mislynch.

You are not an "easy mislynch". I've seen you play very well, and except for what I see as the fatal flaw, you still are now.

In post 581, Grimgroove wrote:StrangerCoug isn't really trying to defend himself. In the QT he practically ackowledged to be giving up. Some last words from his part would be good, but

I'm declaring intent to hammer

.

Not very many people were happy with this lynch pool and there wasn't much legitimate stuff for me to defend. I honestly saw your intent to hammer as a desire to move along when I read it, but now you're seeing my post in the QT as a big deal. I disagree that the request to keep posting in the QT after I die is an appeal to emotion. First of all, why is it illegitimate to want to know what my neighbor thinks of the game? I'm aware of people sharing a QT (often scum, but beside the point) where the QT got new posts despite the poster being the only person in the QuickTopic alive. Second of all, if I'm scum and you're town, then what would I gain from the QT that I couldn't gain from the thread post-mortem? You're reacting to my request suspiciously, Grimgroove.

UNVOTE: Majiffy
VOTE: Grimgroove

Why would you care what Grimgroove thinks of the game after you die? I don't get it.

In post 622, StrangerCoug wrote:I'm aware of people sharing a QT (often scum, but beside the point) where the QT got new posts despite the poster being the only person in the QuickTopic alive.

The only occasion that happens is the last scum alive posting their thoughts in the QT, for people to read afterwards (and even that usually only happens in Newbies, I think)