Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[sthar8]

Reg vs Ree and Nom vs Pac are reading like townfights to me. They're generating a lot of noise in the thread for very little gain. Who benefits from that? Skeldascum certainly does, Fuzzyscum might. I don't think Satan is scum, and I've got a hard townread on ran.

Actually no, 2Pac hasn't made a "lot of noise" so this entire thing is logically unsound. Please read my case against him, please ISO him.

Please quit acting like a spoiled child. I've read your case, and while it is possible that 2pac is scum, it is also possible that you are reading too far into things that have a very simple explanation. If you try a little reading comprehension, what I said was that the

argument

was generating a lot of noise in thread. Given the number of posts regarding the topic so far, I don't think that's a contestable issue.

[Regfan]

Sthar, the simple explanation is that he's scum that was actively lurking. It's the most probable scenario by a long way, lets assess either;

1) He read from page 19 to page 22 including my detailed case on him, drafted and posted his response within 17 minutes after randomly logging on at the exact same time that I had logged on to post my case on him or:

2) That he has been monitoring the thread, saw a case on him and instantly jumped in to defend himself.

It's 2) by a long way.

And in what way is "There being a lot of conversation and noise about him" a town-tell for him? It's not, especially if you think Nom and I are town.

[SatanHellYeah]

So this is it. 2pac is going to be lynched. I don't think he will connect before deadline comes, and Fuzzy will hammer just to wash the scum reads on him.

If he flips town, it is gonna be

interesting

.

[Regfan]

He won't be flipping town and at this point I'm starting to doubt if Fuzzy is even going to turn up to hammer (If he lives in America where most people on this site generally seem to live it'd be super late there and he might have gone to bed). One of you two might need to hammer.

[SatanHellYeah]

...That's true.
Ree is probably sleeping too.

So the hammer is in my hands. If I don't hammer him, you will say I am scum, because I didn't want to hammer my "scumpartner". If I lynch him, I'll be hammering someone against my reads. Plus, if he flips scum, I'll be found scummy too, because he was defending me, but if he flips town you're fucked up.

So, if I hammer, the only thing I can expect is him to be town. Which is what it's going to happen, and that's why I do not want to hammer him.

I can't vote for him. You better expect Ree or Fuzzy to connect and do the job.

[Regfan]

So, lets get this right; you won't lynch someone because you are worried that you might look scummy for it? And instead you would prefer a no lynch to occur gaining us nothing? Lets get this completely right; Why can you only expect him to flip town?

And yes, it does read as you not wanting to hammer your partner. Very very very much so. If you were town you'd have no realize to not hammer him really since either 1) He flips scum and wooo we lynched a scum (So what if it makes you look bad, it'd be a scum down!!) or 2) He flips town and interaction based tells between him and you making you scummy would be completely void.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

VOTE: 2Pac

I hope you are right Regfan.

[sthar8]

Sthar, the simple explanation is that he's scum that was actively lurking. It's the most probable scenario by a long way, lets assess either;

1) He read from page 19 to page 22 including my detailed case on him, drafted and posted his response within 17 minutes after randomly logging on at the exact same time that I had logged on to post my case on him or:

2) That he has been monitoring the thread, saw a case on him and instantly jumped in to defend himself.

It's 2) by a long way.

And in what way is "There being a lot of conversation and noise about him" a town-tell for him? It's not, especially if you think Nom and I are town.

You're reading cause and effect where none exists. I said A. "I'm reading these arguments as town v town fights" and B. "They are generating a lot of noise." I never suggested that B implies A. And two players arguing certainly does not imply that one of them is scum.

Further, Pac's timing on that post is consistent with his usual posting. It is possible that he was already close to caught up reading, and his post is in reply to only things on that page, so its possible he hadn't read anything else at all.

All that said, my read on him is close to null.

I will be around for 10 more minutes, at which time I will hammer to avoid a no-lynch.

(p-edit: Nevermind, going to bed now.)

I toyed with the idea of withholding the hammer unless you apologized for your behavior, but I won't punish the whole town for your poor manners. You should seriously consider apologizing, though.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Now off to bed....to dream of pleasant things. Hopefully when i awake I will find that 2Pac has flipped scum. Sweet dreams ye princes and princesses....

[Regfan]

Good. 2Pac flipping scum should 100% clear Nom (Ree, you better not argue with me on this). Ree is also 100% town despite fighting against a 2Pac lynch (His demeanor and repetition of "You better kill me" "If I die tonight" ect. reads town too) , Sthars 'reaction-test' vote is also 100% town (He wouldn't attempt to 'reaction-test' someone with a big 'don't do this in your games' if he was scum in a newbie game).

So if you're only going to listen to three of my reads tomorrow I want it to be the above three, never lynch them, ever.

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Sthar, if you are reading it as T v T fighting why state "Lots of noise" alongside with it? Why not actually state some detailed reasoning as to why you believe that's the case. That's what I found so annoying about your post, you make a statement with no logic to back it up [And while two people arguing doesn't mean ones scum it also doesn't mean both is town] so that as your reasoning to not vote 2Pac was really what got to me (Since I'm pretty damn sure he's flipping scum and people disagreeing with me close to deadline without explaining it logically annoys me - sorry; that's a pet peeve of mine). I don't think that the timing is 'consistent' at all and I think the odds of it being at the "exact" same time of a case on him is near impossible to be a coincidence whereas there's a lot of scum motivation and sense behind the post. If/when he flips scum here I just hope that you actually pay a little more credit to my reads tomorrow or sheep them to a degree if I die.

[Skelda]

Hooray! 2Pac is dying!

[SatanHellYeah]

You didn't get my point.

If I lynch him expecting to be town to wash the scumreads on me.

What the fuck that it's just terrible.

[SatanHellYeah]

EBWOP: that's*

[2Pac]

I'm the Cop, good job playas.

[2Pac]

I have already found the scum for you, you know what to do.

[SatanHellYeah]

If this is true, Reg.

Jesus Christ we should have got Skelda.

[2Pac]

It is true homie, good luck

[SatanHellYeah]

I do believe you.

But this guy's not listening. If he doesn't connect in 2 hours, you are dead.

Regfan, you asshole.

[2Pac]

It's all gravy playa, as long as you guys don't listen to Regfan you should win
Stay gangsta!

[Regfan]

I don't buy it, I think it's an attempt to rolefish (No one should counter-claim here; it'd be stupid to do since he's already lynched). I also think if it was legitimate he'd have claimed earlier when he saw the lynch was between him / someone else.

Satan; I'm saying there's no reason as town to not want someone to flip mafia due to worrying that it'll lead you to be suspicious; lynching mafia is the goal and if you thought he was town you should have gone into reasoning of such not gone "well lynching him isn't good for me!"

[Regfan]

But this guy's not listening. If he doesn't connect in 2 hours, you are dead.

Also there's no unvoting once a lynch is decided on; it's already locked in.

[2Pac]

You wouldn't believe it, because you are such a good scumhunter right playa?

[2Pac]

How about this homie, if I flip town you change your signature to:
"2Pac banged my mom"

[Regfan]

No I don't believe it because I think a town cop would have claimed before when they realized they were getting voted.

I also think that scum that are lynched would claim a power role to see peoples reactions so their partner has a chance to work out who the PR's are.

Edit: Can't GR #10.

[2Pac]

Haha, ai'ght playa...whatever you say, you the best scumhunter ever,
Except your not because I'm the cop.