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In post 599, morph the cat wrote:

In post 598, morph the cat wrote:

In post 595, Pyrotechnics wrote:No I was questioning your last statement. The eg not pyrotechnics part.

Does that mean you've already put some to get watcher/doc up tonight?

e.g. I don't anticipate being able to work effectively with you today so I'm thinking about other avenues. With a longer day one it might have worked out otherwise.

We haven't put anything up for night 1 yet.

Wrong ffery. The stuff we paid down instead of bidding counts for night one.

:/

I thought that was all night 0

In post 596, morph the cat wrote:

In post 595, Pyrotechnics wrote:No I was questioning your last statement. The eg not pyrotechnics part.

Does that mean you've already put some to get watcher/doc up tonight?

That was ffery upset at you for sucking at reading us. And yes, instead of bidding we paid some vital abilities forward. We mentioned it earlier.

I've correctly read both of you in all our games together (eventually) but I also don't think ffery's scum game is as bsd as she thinks it is and will be a bit more cautious.

We'll be waiting.

In post 601, Pyrotechnics wrote:I also don't think ffery's scum game is as bsd as she thinks it is

I agree as well with this statement FWIW.

In post 591, morph the cat wrote:P-edit: We advertised neighborizer, and paid forward on Doc/Watcher

what does this mean?

In post 604, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 591, morph the cat wrote:P-edit: We advertised neighborizer, and paid forward on Doc/Watcher

what does this mean?

You can bid to advertise stuff for night one on night zero, unless the mod made a mistake in our QT. We posted "bid X on Doctor for Night One" and "bid Y on Watcher for Night One" and it processed and subtracted the money, etc.

Seriously, there is something fishy here.

I was wagoned by you in on Day One. Your reactions there were completely different. It felt like you were seriously evaluating my alignment, you were questioning me on things, you were giving in-depth reasons for suspecting me, you were commenting on other people's cases/defences on us and giving corroborating evidence from my meta...

You know what's a sign that there's a problem? My read on Pyrotechnics is, "I'd think they're town, but they suspect us for braindead reasons." Literally. That is why I'm paranoid of you now. There is no more depth to it than that. No, the pieces for Pyrotechnics-scum don't actually fit, because their neighbourizer thing is protown, and I really don't see Tammy attacking us this hard as town. But I don't care. Your posts do not make sense right now. Because that's how terrible your case is.

Your reasons for suspecting us are so, so, SO bad that I don't know how you can post them with a straight face.

It's not even like the paranoid meta thing you did with Gert in the slow game where you had semi-legitimate reasons for suspecting her and were caught up in your emotions for valid reasons. Your reasons for suspecting us keep changing. You are literally just quoting every post we make and finding a way to misrepresent it in the most contrived, over-the-top way. And then when caught doing it, you don't even bat an eyelash. "Oh my God. You're so SCUMMY for comparing these two players today." *quotes a post where morph FUCKING ASKS US to compare said two players* "So what's your point?" Have you been really, really drunk for every single post you've made this entire game?

Not once have you so much as reevaluated us (after our unclaim, after my posts today). The closest thing was when I posted strategy...which actually, wasn't a town tell at all, since anyone can post strategy. And I mean, do you really think you're going to get strategy instead of trolling from ? I'd have expected something like long and reasoned evaluations on our posts, questions on my reads, or trademark town!Tammy waffling. Not...whatever this is. (Frankly, the overdefensive way you're handling questions about your opinions on neighbourizer is also similar to how you handled attacks on your opening posts in the BSG game. Also, why is Syryana not posting?)

And now you're going to respond to this post with several paragraphs about how I should know your meta, and it's REALLY suspicious that I'm discrediting, when shouldn't I have played enough with you to know that THIS IS HOW YOU PLAY, DAMMIT, YOU JUST LOOK FOR SOMETHING THAT'S OFF. And I also know this exchange is completely unproductive. But you know what? I felt better writing it. So ha!

Also, I'm sorry if this is overly harsh, Tammy, and I still like you and respect you a lot as a Mafia player. So I really don't want to offend you. But this is honestly straining credulity right now.

In post 602, morph the cat wrote:We'll be waiting.

Well we had hoped in chef mafia to make the tria-hydra town bloc but ffery was evil and tried to kill us and cabd wasn't really playing. So cautious it is.

In post 608, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 602, morph the cat wrote:We'll be waiting.

cabd wasn't really playing.

Remind me in two weeks or so to tell you why that was.

Oh and before I go, I'm going to quote #607 again when I wake up in the morning for anyone who thinks there is even one iota of a chance that LB is scum, just fyi.

Oh and hell, if I had to be Christine Ha I'd be evil and try to kill people too.

In post 523, zMuffinMan wrote:

mhork wrote:Garuda, do you think it's possible whomever put money towards medium was scum trying to flood the market with useless junk?

zdenek advertised medium, didn't he? do you think he's scum?

I think there's definitely the potential. I need to reread what he's written though. Especially since he advertised without trying to actually get it, and it most definitely was not a matter of it being too expensive? Why would town put money towards it?

In post 529, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:zdenek town

Por quoi?

In post 549, zMuffinMan wrote:

lb wrote:What are your thoughts on Mhork?

probably town. i didn't mind his early posts that much, it felt like he was trying to find his feet in the game. his more recent posts read genuine, including the paranoia in his last post about the medium advertising (even though i think that's misguided).

Do you have a better explanation for why someone would advertise and not put at least a few dollars toward the item. It shows he wanted it in the market, but at the same time didn't think it would be worth him (a townie, in theory) to bid on. Why would you want anything on auction that you yourself wouldn't want to buy?

In post 551, zMuffinMan wrote:

morph wrote:Seanald, Klick and to a lesser extent Hermy don't look so good.

i actually liked seanald's entrance. tone of the post read arrogant town.

other two i'm kind of meh on.

Actually I remember town Seanald being chattier. Scum Seanald loves to lurk.

In post 566, Garuda wrote:

In post 521, Lord Mhork wrote:Garuda, do you think it's possible whomever put money towards medium was scum trying to flood the market with useless junk?

I doubt it. It's far more likely that whatever ad money they put in was put towards pro-scum abilities like Hitman (because let's face it no townie in their right mind would ever put in money towards advertising shit like that).

Couldn't it be both? And don't advertisements towards certain townie abilities give freebie advertising to their scummy opposites? For instance doesn't advertising Cop also advertise Investigative Immune? Do you have an explanation to why a townie would behave like that?

@Pyro: Why does Syryr think I'm 300% scum?

@Butterfly: I...could have sworn that Pyro had said something along the lines of why would you bid $80 rather than $100 for an item if it was just to keep it out of scum's hands. To me that made perfect sense and I was waiting for you to answer it. Digging back through those posts, apparently I managed to cross upside's "Did you think $80 would be enough to keep it from scum?" and something from Pyro, I think the post where they say that they put $100 on neighborizer. Also are you saying your push on me wasn't real? It sure felt real from my perspective.

In post 605, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

Player	Advertised n0	Bid on n0
VoidedMafia
PeregrineV
Nero Cain
Seanald
guille2015
Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)	adv 0	bid on neigh, didn't get it
morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)	Neighborizer, Doctor, Watcher
BBmolla
Banakai
Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)	Cop and Medium	everything - didn't win any
zMuffinMan
Hermy
ProHawk
Lord Mhork	Nothing	Cop, Gravedigger, Medium (won)
Zdenek
1baldeagle1
DoctorPepper
Klick

None of the things you posted is *why* I suspect you though. It's gut and tone. You just decided I suspected you for some reason that didn't enter my mind. The the claim and unclaimed thing, I only found it odd that you would be shamed into dropping something you hoped would be protown because empire said he didn't want any gambits. I get that cabd asked the question about voided and mhork, but even still the comparison strikes me as off because it's not actually taking into account the players involved. So expecting mhork to behave the same way a strong confident player played read off. It wouldn't have read off if there was accounting for that in there. To me, it looked like faraday was doing what he does when he's scum and that's go after what is "scummy" while when town he actually looks for the scum.

And you're right I haven't reevaluated anything yet, but why are you expecting me to jump to it today? I'm extremely busy right now and have done nothing but grading today and getting stuff ready for the 5 evaluations I'm getting this week. So you can shove those long reasoned posts right now especially considering the game hasn't been open for very long. Stop having these overblown expectations for me.

And Ftr all day long when I've caught up I've wanted to read you as town, I really have, because they superficially look townish. But I know you and I know how good you are at mimicking your town play, and I go he this sounds fake. Your posts to mhork have just really rubbed me the wrong way. and I was just kinda hoping to see some protown plan being put in motion, especially since you asked a zillion questions, but there's really not anything. And that might not be a fair expectation, but I am waiting to see that thing that will flip the switch.

Even your rant at me I want to go, oh that's definitely town Mina, never mind, but I also know you're capable of mimicking that too.

Syry doesn't post much in hydras. He only comes out when I yell at him to or when he's going to yell or dance with someone.

Going to bed now.

Mhork - it's based on the luzlocke game that was abandoned. He thinks you have a similar tone to that game. I think he's wrong.

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Lord Mhork (3): BBmolla, Zdenek, Harakiri
Lost Butterfly (3): Pyrotechnics, ProHawk, Lord Mhork
Harakiri (3): Nero Cain, VoidedMafia, uʍop ǝpısdn
VoidedMafia (2): Klick, 1baldeagle1
BBmolla (2): Lost Butterfly, zMuffinMan
Klick (1): Garuda

Not Voting (7): PeregrineV, Seanald, guille2015, Banakai, Hermy, DoctorPepper, morph the cat

New deadline as of 452 is Wednesday, October 16th at 11:30am EST (site time).
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Cabd tore himself away from pokemon to put some time into this game. I thought you would too. If you're town.

So I guess the point I was trying and failing to make was not why are you comparing them but why are you having the same expectations for how they would behave.

I'm on my phone right now but now that morph's brought it up, it bugs me that Natirasha isn't all over the strategizing going on. Isn't he normally really into that stuff?

In post 618, Garuda wrote:I'm on my phone right now but now that morph's brought it up, it bugs me that Natirasha isn't all over the strategizing going on. Isn't he normally really into that stuff?

It's like you're eavesdropping on our hydra convo.

0.o
Yeah I just reread that game. It hurts...

Syr, A) that game was 6 months ago and I'm fairly sure there was a hiatus in there B) how on earth are there similarities in there?

That's what I thought mhork, but he said the similarities were in town, which I don't see so...

*tone

pyro wrote:Molly town

is this bbmolla?

i went over his ISO earlier today and didn't like it at all. which posts from him read town?

rest of your reads i'm mostly in agreement with, except i'm nulltown on LB atm (i like some of the stuff the mina half is saying), and i'm not currently leaning scum on morph.

mhork wrote:Especially since he advertised without trying to actually get it, and it most definitely was not a matter of it being too expensive? Why would town put money towards it?

i dunno, that's why i asked him. i don't really see scum going, "oh, i should claim to have advertised this for shits and giggles!" though.

it's possible he advertised it intending to go for it but changed his mind when he saw other stuff up for grabs. *shrug*

Player	Advertised n0	Bid on n0
VoidedMafia
PeregrineV
Nero Cain
Seanald
guille2015
Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)	adv 0	bid on neigh, didn't get it
morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)	Neighborizer, Doctor, Watcher
BBmolla
Banakai
Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)	Cop and Medium	everything - didn't win any
zMuffinMan	Nothing
Hermy
ProHawk
Lord Mhork	Nothing	Cop, Gravedigger, Medium (won)
Zdenek
1baldeagle1
DoctorPepper
Klick

@upside down,

you bet <=$2 on medium and extra vote?

@MuffinMan:
I think it's worth pursuing at least, as soon as he eventually comes back in and responds.

It's also very possible that scum will come in and make one post for the rest of the day. We should definitely look over the lurkers tomorrow.