Mini 1524: Olympian Gods Mafia - Game Over

[Nachomamma8]

The Nachomamma townread is intentionally based on loose sand. I don't think a genuine MAlakittens would give him townpoints for defensiveness. This is evident because of the word "but". Normally she wouldn't consider Nacho being defensive as town, "but"...

This was extremely nitpicky; seemed like the type of thing scum would attack but can't find town having conviction in.

That argument is bad. There's nothing remotely special about that kind of bitching. Even if he didn't do it before (as if you'd remember something like him NOT doing something like that before), it's not as crucial as you make it out to be. Maybe he learned a thing or two in the meanwhile, leading him to be suspicious of early townreads? MAybe it's the nature of your particular townreads that don't sit well with him? Maybe, maybe, maybe, so many possible explanations. Yet you focus on one and turn it into a crucial "argument".

He uses Mala noting that shos didn't dislike early townreads in the past as a point against Mala because "shos might have changed". Yes, shos might have changed but nothing at all points to that so Mala shouldn't have to make that assumption when she sees something different, and it's weird he expects her to make that assumption.

shos' latest buddying and agreeing with everything I say doesn't feel too good. Too over the top to still be genuine.

Dropping shos townread when he did was weird timing.

[MattP]

What scumslip, Matt?

Ooba is town, Matt! You have to change that in your read's list and then I 100% agree with you!

Ooba is not town!

I don't want to explain why Ooba is not town right now, just forget it

[Nachomamma8]

but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town.

The push itself is good, even though it's probably wrong. That's not what a scumDesp ignoring obvious towntells to get a mislynch on you would look like.

the only thing that irks me is how he is ignoring what whiskers is doing. I mean like we literally just saw this happen in a micros.

He didn't ignore what whiskers is doing; he mentioned how whiskers and ETL were different.

[MattP]

If Whiskers was scum he would not point out that I'm giving him preferential treating for behaviors I'm picking at Shos for. End of story.

Quoting this on new page

[Nachomamma8]

I don't want to explain why Ooba is not town right now, just forget it

Can't*

[MattP]

Why can't you?

[Whiskers]

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

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So let me see if I've got this right:
Desp - null, should be reading you as town no matter alignment.
MattP - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Wisdom - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Arc - null, some support for his lynch but not enough to state an outright scumread without looking bad.
Mala - null, some scumreads, some townreads, but not enough for a confident scumread without looking bad.
shos - scum, everybody thinks he's scum, pretty much, especially buddies MattP and Wisdom. Also, "I might be wrong," so none of the blame can go to you when he flips the wrong way.
Whiskers - null. Scum, but not enough support for a lynch, so you can't well voice your unpopular opinion any longer. It could get you into trouble.

[pirate mollie]

but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town.

The push itself is good, even though it's probably wrong. That's not what a scumDesp ignoring obvious towntells to get a mislynch on you would look like.

the only thing that irks me is how he is ignoring what whiskers is doing. I mean like we literally just saw this happen in a micros.

He didn't ignore what whiskers is doing; he mentioned how whiskers and ETL were different.

I am not talking about etl I am talking about squirrel girl in mala's medical mafia game. never played with her before but she came in with a hate on for me that was an effective smokescreen for scummy d1 play. I am tired of giving this shit a pass.

[pirate mollie]

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

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So let me see if I've got this right:
Desp - null, should be reading you as town no matter alignment.
MattP - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Wisdom - Town. Very vocal and largely unanimous townread.
Arc - null, some support for his lynch but not enough to state an outright scumread without looking bad.
Mala - null, some scumreads, some townreads, but not enough for a confident scumread without looking bad.
shos - scum, everybody thinks he's scum, pretty much, especially buddies MattP and Wisdom. Also, "I might be wrong," so none of the blame can go to you when he flips the wrong way.
Whiskers - null. Scum, but not enough support for a lynch, so you can't well voice your unpopular opinion any longer. It could get you into trouble.

that is not even remotely an accurate depiction of my reads.

[Nachomamma8]

Why can't you?

just leave it at can't for now.

[pirate mollie]

matt I think you are wrong about whiskers

[MattP]

matt I think you are wrong about whiskers

I'm not wrong about his action. If you are saying that action doesn't make him almost positively town then SHRUG. I'm not letting him get lynched today so.

Why can't you?

just leave it at can't for now.

I don't really see a reason I need to. I've considered all of the options, and I see little potential cost in the cost-benefit paradigm of just letting this slide.

[MattP]

On NOT letting it slide**

[Nachomamma8]

that's unfortunate then because you're gonna have to wait regardless

[Nachomamma8]

[MattP]

that's unfortunate then because you're gonna have to wait regardless

How long?

[Nachomamma8]

Not long. I'm probably being far too careful, but a little extra caution never hurt anyone.

[MattP]

Not long. I'm probably being far too careful, but a little extra caution never hurt anyone.

k

[Nachomamma8]

It's an ongoing.

[ooba]

Vote: Arc Angel

Is posting on other parts of the site - needs to start playing the game.

pedit: Lol @Nacho - I thought you were going to say something like that. Is the chair image something that mollie does often?

[Whiskers]

If Whiskers was scum he would not point out that I'm giving him preferential treating for behaviors I'm picking at Shos for. End of story.

Yeah... tbh, I would. I'd use it against you and try to get you mislynched for it.
When I

wouldn't

do it is when we were

both

scum together.

[MattP]

If Whiskers was scum he would not point out that I'm giving him preferential treating for behaviors I'm picking at Shos for. End of story.

Yeah... tbh, I would. I'd use it against you and try to get you mislynched for it.
When I

wouldn't

do it is when we were

both

scum together.

Even if you thought I wouldn't be lynched? I mean, anyone with half a brain can see I'm not getting lynched today.

I mean, it's pointless to go back and forth about this. If you say you would do it I'm not going to debate what you would do with you.

[Whiskers]

I'd use it against you later. Just because you wouldn't be lynched

now

doesn't mean you could never be lynched.

[Desperado]

@ nacho

I don't think scum desp would push me either but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town. matt, wis are solid town reads, arc has slipped a bit and mala is unsure. I think shos looks like pondscum but I thought that in sabotage too. I will lay off whiskers for now but jesus christ don't let her skate.

eta: xposts

but I also expect to him to be able to read me a bit better as town.

The push itself is good, even though it's probably wrong. That's not what a scumDesp ignoring obvious towntells to get a mislynch on you would look like.

the only thing that irks me is how he is ignoring what whiskers is doing. I mean like we literally just saw this happen in a micros.

Why are you talking to other people about things we were discussing and then ignoring my responses?

I've already addressed both of these issues. I'm having trouble reading you this game because what you are doing makes no fucking sense, at any point. None of your pushes have been even remotely useful. You are getting caught up in a catfight with Whiskers and using it as an excuse to tunnel and I don't like it.

And

I completely disagree with your interpretation of what Whiskers is doing so seriously, stop telling me that we "literally just saw this" because we fucking didn't. What Whiskers is doing right now is NOT what ETL and SG did.

And even if it were...so what? Whiskers isn't ETL or SG. You are still clinging to this silly "meltdowns are the new scum fad" narrative and its just bad, dude.

Who are Whiskers' teammates?

[Desperado]

I am not talking about etl I am talking about squirrel girl in mala's medical mafia game. never played with her before but she came in with a hate on for me that was an effective smokescreen for scummy d1 play. I am tired of giving this shit a pass.

SG didn't have half as much conviction in her attacks on you as Whiskers does.

Stop comparing them.

PS Whiskers' breakdown of your reads is actually pretty accurate. "Shos looks like pondscum but he did in the doctor micro" yeah no shit, I already told you he was playing scummy intentionally.