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↑ vezokpiraka wrote:Now I have a problem.

They way slandaar calls me town is not the way a townie would call another town.
It feels like blatant buddying and makes me feel uneasy.

Vezok I just find you incredibly town and want to let the world know you are a very town townie. What is wrong with that???

↑ zMuffinMan wrote:for reals

look at the sorts of questions he asks, look at the opinions and stances he's taken, there's nothing town about it

i legit don't know how you can have him as a town read

He was the only one to see DGB wasn't scumhunting that is good posting. He showed legitimate scumhunting just like Messiah did earlier in the thread but somehow you have them as scum too.

he sheeped you on dgb, i don't remember him saying anything about dgb not scum hunting

i don't see him actually talking about much of anything. i'm unclear what most of his reads actually are

↑ Slandaar wrote:just like Messiah did earlier in the thread

when did this happen?

VOTE: mastin2

A dither:

↑ mastin2 wrote:I think this means I objectively suck.

↑ mastin2 wrote:By the way, just sayin',

two players most likely to prioritize Antihero so high are zMuffinman and Titus

. In particular, Titus.
Then again, both would prioritize me fairly high.
But like I said, I objectively suck, Anti subjectively rules, sooooooo, yeah.

Not going to do my research until tomorrow on things, though, since it's already fairly late, here.

followed up by this:

↑ mastin2 wrote:

↑ Antihero wrote:VOTE: SKOT

↑ Antihero wrote:regardless, skot's already a scumread on page 2. his glib post 45 is :scumposting:
bookitty's another one with the "oh look how town i am hominahominahomina" post....
i'm quickly seeing why peregrine keeled over night 1; he may have been wrong about sal, but i think he caught scum in the crossfire (see: actiondan and bookitty).
speaking of actiondan, post 62 is a doozy..., especially given the thing above it at bookitty
overall, i agree with mastin's conclusion from day 1 that the wagon was scummier than the bottom of a fishtank (see: bookitty, skot).
...speaking of those people, holy shit: these votes | PeregrineV, Dr. Pants, Messiah Complex,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

, DrippingGoofball, Bookitty,

ReallySexyDudes

, BBmolla, Muki, TheGottemer
Slandaar, Dripping Goofball,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

,

Really Sexy Dudes

, Jackal711 | they're even in the same order.
gut's also pinging desp because dr. pants is a pretty decent townread at this point.
strongest town: [mastin, DGB, slandaar, Dr Pants, (justin is close)]
strongest scum: [bookitty, SKOT, 'jiffyhydra]
VOTE: bookitty

VOTE: SKOT.

Feel comfortable doing this. Other names of note: zMuffinman, with a side of Dan and a dash of Desp (Messiah Complex).

It's a decent starting place. I'll give another look to the wagons next.

are not town mastin actions in response to N2.

I would also like to make note of how she has been treating me this game, with the casual scumcalls and excuses when questioned about lack of accompanying push this game.

It is perfectly insincere and entirely indicative to me of scum.

We have meta so I suspect this is about to get textual, but I would ask town to please avoid site meta and actually read the words people type. It will be important for this game.

Please note that the next series of posts from mastin will most likely be offended nonsense about how "yes xis is scum but I need to lynch SKOT today" AKA pocket chain-lynching.

↑ ActionDan wrote:well well well. would you look at that kill flavor. Man I wonder why that could be. Well, does anyone feel like SPECULATING? No? Damn shame. Guess we'll never know

Bookmarking for myself.

Also good to know Dan is town.

↑ zMuffinMan wrote:(/haven't watched a single episode of the wire)

It is not too late for you:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Wire-Complete ... B005NFJAWG

I encourage you to push my wagon harder, btw. Try to see what Pants and Mastin will do in response to you. They are both:

↑ Dr Pants wrote:Xisiqomelir is scum

↑ mastin2 wrote:

↑ ToastyToast wrote:

Dripping Goofball

--ActionDan, Slandaar (L-8)

Slandaar

-- BlueBloodedToffee (L-9)

BooKitty

--mastin2, Salamence20, (L-8)

Salamence20

--PeregrineV, Dr. Pants, Messiah Complex, Sharpest-knife-on-tree, DrippingGoofball, Bookitty, ReallySexyDudes,
BBmolla, Muki, TheGottemer

Not Voting: Justin Playfair, Xisiqomelir, Antihero, Jackal711

Off the wagon, we've got Xisi as likely scum

and Jackal as possible-scum. On it, SKOT and zMuffinman's slots both stand out. Dan COULD be scum, here, though it really depends on what the traitor is.

"scumreading" me (though mastin, unlike pants, has yet to actually vote me), so getting their sincerely-motivated votes to lynch me ought to be easy...one would hope.

Xis is town.

actually 3 of the nonvoters were replace
so

↑ Xisiqomelir wrote:

↑ mastin2 wrote:By the way, just sayin',

two players most likely to prioritize Antihero so high are zMuffinman and Titus

. In particular, Titus.
Then again, both would prioritize me fairly high.
But like I said, I objectively suck, Anti subjectively rules, sooooooo, yeah.
Not going to do my research until tomorrow on things, though, since it's already fairly late, here.

followed up by this:

↑ mastin2 wrote:

↑ Antihero wrote:VOTE: SKOT

↑ Antihero wrote:regardless, skot's already a scumread on page 2. his glib post 45 is :scumposting:
bookitty's another one with the "oh look how town i am hominahominahomina" post....
i'm quickly seeing why peregrine keeled over night 1; he may have been wrong about sal, but i think he caught scum in the crossfire (see: actiondan and bookitty).
speaking of actiondan, post 62 is a doozy..., especially given the thing above it at bookitty
overall, i agree with mastin's conclusion from day 1 that the wagon was scummier than the bottom of a fishtank (see: bookitty, skot).
...speaking of those people, holy shit: these votes | PeregrineV, Dr. Pants, Messiah Complex,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

, DrippingGoofball, Bookitty,

ReallySexyDudes

, BBmolla, Muki, TheGottemer
Slandaar, Dripping Goofball,

Sharpest-knife-on-tree

,

Really Sexy Dudes

, Jackal711 | they're even in the same order.
gut's also pinging desp because dr. pants is a pretty decent townread at this point.
strongest town: [mastin, DGB, slandaar, Dr Pants, (justin is close)]
strongest scum: [bookitty, SKOT, 'jiffyhydra]
VOTE: bookitty

VOTE: SKOT.
Feel comfortable doing this. Other names of note: zMuffinman, with a side of Dan and a dash of Desp (Messiah Complex).
It's a decent starting place. I'll give another look to the wagons next.

are not town mastin actions in response to N2.

Yeah, no. I get that you're probably scum, but were you to be town, this proves you don't know anything about me at all.

Please note that the next series of posts from mastin will most likely be offended nonsense about how "yes xis is scum but I need to lynch SKOT today" AKA pocket chain-lynching.

Nah. That's 2012 scuMastin. 2014 scuMastin is far more complex than that. 2012 scuMastin you can predict. 2014 scuMastin relies on you predicting things so that she can subvert, twist, and otherwise morph your predictions to serve her own agenda.

↑ vezokpiraka wrote:I like zmuffin for town.

About that.

I tend to be a bit cautious about being certain of zMuffinman's alignment so early.
I do, after all, have that perfect accuracy record to maintain.
So I try not to be premature in my conclusions and writing him off as an alignment based off of his early posting when I generally catch him/read him off of his overall posting.

...But that being said?

Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty sure this is zMuffinman's scumgame. I'm not seeing any of the town indicators I look for when I'm looking for a town zMuff. Furthermore, I'm seeing quite a fair amount of scum indicators as well.

VOTE: zMuffinman.

His game is aimed towards throwing us off the trail. I can near-guarantee you he's bussed a buddy or two. (SKOT/Xisi both likely candidates.) Those kinds of actions are probably things he thinks will throw me off of his trail. Or if he knows he can't throw me off his trail, will throw me off the trail of his scumbuddies. Or he could just flat-out recognize that he's not going to fool me at all and is aiming his actions towards the rest of the town to make them think he's town, so that I look like a crazy conspiracy theorist with my scumread on him, until I end up dead, at which point he takes full control of the town. (Because, let's face it, I'm pretty much one of the only people here who has a spot-on accuracy at reading zMuff.)

Butyeah. I'm not sure if I can explain his utter lack of town indicators. Not sure if I can properly show the scum indicators. But with a great degree of certainty (90%--it'd go higher if I had more posting from him to judge, but what I've got is plenty enough for that high number), this is his scumgame. The tone in his posting, the content...it's just not his town mindset. Really wish I was better at explaining this. It's just something that you kinda have to trust me on.

I mean, I guess I can try to make a case on Bookitty, I can try to point out why zMuffinman's reads aren't coming from town, but really...he's just not town.

Quick rundown, since I'm out of time. (Actually, 15 minutes late leaving already.)

Dr. Pants<--Town.
SexyDudes<--Town.
BBmolla<--Highly-likely town.
ActionDan<--I've had him as town, but right now he needs another look.
TheGottemer<--Town.
Justin Playfair/vezokpiraka<--I've had him as town. I'll give him another look to be sure, but not seeing the scum.
BlueBloodedToffee/Titus<--Another name I've had as town, but need another look to be sure. Anti kill is something Titus would do, for instance.
Slandaar<--Town.
Messiah Complex<--I've had them as town, but there is that seed of doubt. I'll need to make sure they are.
BooKitty/zMuffinMan<--Scum.
Xisiqomelir<--Probably-scum.
Sharpest-knife-on-tree<--Near-certainly scum.
Muki/Anatole Kuragin<--Honestly more null than anything else, but decently town to me overall.
Jackal711<--Pretty dang strongly null.

In a game with 19 players, this is probably 3 scum + traitor. (Town roles this game are going to be fairly weak overall.) We should ask questions about the traitor to see which version the mod used, as it'll help us with a read on DGB's flip, but right now, thanks to having three scum candidates, thinking everyone in my town/null/need to reconsider pile are probably town anyway.

If one of my scumreads is wrong, the Xisi one is the most likely.
SKOT's the second-most-likely.
zMuffinman's the least-likely.

There's multiple versions of a traitor?

*shrug* mastin, you don't know the differences between my scum and town game nearly half as well as you think you do. either that or you've lost you beautiful locks of hair, samson

(also pretty sure you'd be dead now if i were actually scum but whatevs)

guys me and pants agree on a lynch target. it's got ties to DBG. kill it and don't look back.

mastin wrote:I mean, I guess I can try to make a case on Bookitty, I can try to point out why zMuffinman's reads aren't coming from town, but really...he's just not town.

btw mastin

you should try dropping the confbias you have for bookitty being scum and read my posts with fresh eyes. if you still can't tell the difference then meh, in all honesty i dont really care all that much

if you do manage to push my lynch through though, try not to do that thing you do where you go all emo and retreat into a shell for the rest of the game

xisiq wrote:I encourage you to push my wagon harder, btw. Try to see what Pants and Mastin will do in response to you

is 604 the entirety of why you think mastin is scum?

why is pants scum?

↑ Titus wrote:Xis is town

y

↑ Titus wrote:There's multiple versions of a traitor?

Yes. It's problematic. Every single game has a different version of the role; it's never standardized. (A problem that we're trying to fix, mind you.)

Speaking of which, this is actually a reason to think zMuffinman is scum--
He wouldn't join a game with a traitor in it as town. He has made is hatred of the traitor role QUITE explicit. So why join the game, AFTER a traitor has already flipped? (Mind you: weak reason, not a strong reason. Contributes, though.)

↑ zMuffinMan wrote:*shrug* mastin, you don't know the differences between my scum and town game nearly half as well as you think you do.

Fairly certain I do. It's possible I made my judgement prematurely, it's possible that something's off in your game yet you're not scum, thus why it's only 90% and not something like 95-98%, but there's definitely something about ya.

↑ zMuffinMan wrote:(also pretty sure you'd be dead now if i were actually scum but whatevs)

Oh, this. This, also contributes to the lack of a much higher percentage. In fact, probably the main thing that it's not MUCH higher.

↑ zMuffinMan wrote:btw mastin
you should try dropping the confbias you have for bookitty being scum and read my posts with fresh eyes.

Hey, zMuff.
My read on you is entirely separate from Bookitty. Frankly, I went into today with absolutely a 0% read on Bookitty; I had entirely reset my read and was paying attention to just you. Anything (and I do mean anything) I use about Bookitty being scum is going to be me basically reaching, to create reasons to support my argument on you. Because I don't really care about Bookitty. I care about YOU.

mastin wrote:Speaking of which, this is actually a reason to think zMuffinman is scum--
He wouldn't join a game with a traitor in it as town.

i didn't read the game before replacing in

toasty PMed me pregame to play this when it was having difficulty with signups. i couldn't play at the time and i didn't particularly want to with the player list as it was (salamance and, somewhat ironically, bookitty were two of the main reasons for this). when toasty was having difficulty finding replacements last night he sent me another PM. i checked game thread, saw night phase stalling and said i'd play if no one else had offered

didn't check flips, and probably wouldn't have mattered that much to me if i had. i also loathe SKs and joined 173 which was a semi-open with a known SK for the same reasons as i joined this, basically.

mastin wrote:there's definitely something off about ya

*shrug*

i'm town

any issues with figuring that out are on your end, not mine

mastin, do you have any opinion about Vezok/justin given justin's multiple mentions of traitor?

anyone (ahemmajiffyahem) who thinks there's a sliver of a chance of us being scum to dgb traitor after our conversation with playfair and claim is fucking delusional

Mastina, the traitor comment makes no sense. The fact DGB flipped means he can know he is not dealing with it.

@mastin: I have a petfect track record of reading muffin. Especially early. I don't understand how you don't see town muffin.

Also mastin still being alive makes me feel weird.