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↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

↑ Elyse wrote:
Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Yeah...not seeing it.

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↑ Spifflop wrote:I also think it makes Klingon scum, so vote there plz

Go further into this please. Because I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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↑ Varsoon wrote:

↑ Shiro wrote:@AneN

Nah Shiro is town and I have no idea who clotilde is

↑ Shiro wrote:

↑ Aneninen wrote:You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already

Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

What about those posts make Shiro scum?

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↑ Randomnamechange wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: spider gwen

Whatever. Call me when you want to put some effort in.

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↑ Shiro wrote:
@Spider gwen that was horrible.. You took a line out of where it was and left it alone making it sound really out of context. (I rechecked the post in question to make certain)

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

Another delightful post, bar the explanation on the scumslip - I just disagree.

↑ Varsoon wrote:

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:
What about those posts make Shiro scum?

There's nothing to see.

How certain are you Shiro's scum?

↑ itlepip wrote:

↑ Dapper Stranger wrote:A man is no one.

please don't tell me you are going to talk like this the whole game.

It gets worse as the pages stretch on.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:I like Eagle. He amuses me. And as I said, I'm not a huge believer in scum slips. But that one still stood out to me. And I'm hoping I'm wrong, because I like Eagle and really don't want to believe that is a slip.

Lately I've been singing your praises, but you really can't afford to let your feelings get in the way of your win condition.

↑ hiplop wrote:

I've been spending way too long checking my tongue in the mirror
And bending over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
And so I drew a new face and I laughed

It's very catchy.

Aunt Jemima wrote:In other news, Exxy (Extrapolated Eagle) is definitely sweet.

Hold the fuck up, what's this?

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:

↑ jasonT1981 wrote:

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, I Am Innocent, itlepip, Elyse

Aneninen

(3): Passionate Storm, T S O, Alchemist21

In approximate order, most sweet to most sour, we've got Alchy, Pippy, Gammy, Elly, TSO, Inny, and Stormy.

That I would happily lynch the latter three (and none of these names are particularly sweet) should inform you of why these are not good wagons.

You calling me scum is bad, you calling the Storm hydra isn't great either in light of some fairly decent posting after the first few pages. You feel a little strange this game, AJ - I feel uneasy that you said you'd happily lynch me, in particular (though I can feel my ego talking.)

↑ Elyse wrote:Is anyone's browser doing this weird thing where it takes forever to submit a post?

Indeed.

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

What's your issue with the composition here? Town, town, town, null, town, if I had to put a gun to my head.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

↑ Elyse wrote:
Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Oh yeah, worth pointing out how awful a conclusion this is.

Well, I'm caught up more or less to the end of page 16. Stuff I'd like to re-read once I'm done is the Elyse-EE argument - I may have skimmed that.

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

That's actually really boring. Like, REALLY boring. I wasn't expecting that from you.

Oh well. Let me know when you're all caught up. By the way, if you're interested in why Elyse is scum, the most recent posts on it are far more interesting than that old garbage.

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

Ily

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

That's actually really boring. Like, REALLY boring. I wasn't expecting that from you.

I've rarely been accused of being boring, and I'm sad to say it hurts. Just a little bit.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Oh well. Let me know when you're all caught up. By the way, if you're interested in why Elyse is scum, the most recent posts on it are far more interesting than that old garbage.

Fear not, all arguments/cases will be read and considered equally. Justice for all.

↑ Elyse wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

Ily

↑ T S O wrote:

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ T S O wrote:VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

That's actually really boring. Like, REALLY boring. I wasn't expecting that from you.

I've rarely been accused of being boring, and I'm sad to say it hurts. Just a little bit.

I'm sorry, I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't expected something a little more... Exciting. And less... Anticlimactic. But the fact that I expected that from you is a plus, because I don't expect it from too many people.

And I look forward to that justice and everything you talked about. It sounds fun.

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↑ Passionate Storm wrote:
Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

When Kling is so scum that she's on there twice

↑ Klingoncelt wrote:I'm bugged by Grapes' thing. Is he buddying me? Maybe, but I think he's setting up mislynches, as in, "Oh look, those guys all called poor Klingon Scum but she flipped Town - they must be Scum!!"

Is this a scumread on grapes or are you just speculating to seem reluctant to accept a townread?

Question to Titus: You said that you could read Kling with 75% certainty at the end of D1. Have you entertained the possibility of your current scumread on Kling changing by that time?
Because we could lynch someone that's harder to read right now and lynch kling later.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around Kling's obstinacy looking like scum.
Like, I can easily see town going into a game with less reads than usual, and then being truthful about it. Wouldn't scum just make up some reads as some form of appeasement?

I also get this nagging feeling that spiff is playing differently than he is in history maf. Might re-skim that game in the future, but just something to throw out there.

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Reading Page 19 is making Eagle slowly veer back onto my scum list

482-
Eagle I can't see your image so I'm just gonna ignore it.
But the gist of what I'm getting is that "being in the middle of things" is towny and I don't know if I agree with that

↑ Spifflop wrote:Apologies. It is late, and I saw your post and typed out your name

yes, I meant errant. I do however appreciate his support of the FRUIT WAGON and hes not at the top of our radar, spideygwenny

just because I'm voting the same person as you are makes me less suspicious? Explain

↑ Aneninen wrote:Unusual at best.

Why would I vote a null read?

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↑ grapes wrote:eagle, your townread on me is out of place, considering ive done next to nothing

This is the stuff that I hate right here.

↑ grapes wrote:

↑ Errantparabola wrote:I asked grapes why they neglected to provide a firm stance on what happened with kling and chose to ask an open ended question. They did not respond. I think that they are trying to avoid sticking their neck out, if anything.

I can join the fruit train, itlepip is going nowhere.
VOTE: grapes

kinda hard to respond when i haven't been here

and when you put your question in a spoiler lols

Just for you, I'm putting my catchup in multiple posts.

↑ Spifflop wrote:anyone voting spider gwen: wtf are you doing??????

It's not like anyone on that wagon is particularly towny

spifflop, thoughts on the fruit train now that grapes is responding to some things?

Going back to the big list that EE gave earlier (the one with the image that I couldn't see) I absolutely HATE how Eagle says that "Elyse is confident enough so that getting into the middle of things doesn't bother them" SCREAMS conf bias to me

↑ T S O wrote:...where does this jump come from? I'd really love to see your thought process here.

Basically the main reason I was scumreading him was because I found it hard to believe that Eagle would go through with the non-voting gambit, but he provided evidence as to why that was true so I decided that point was a wash

VOTE: eagle

I'm going back to this, mainly because IDK about the grapes wagon anymore (I want spiff's input), and I honestly am not so sure about spifflop-town anymore. Also very hesitant to join Kling wagon
Elyse why Kling > Eagle?

I'm fine with either. I'm confident both are scum but didn't think there was support for eagle today. I also thought my walls with eagle were being largely ignored and unproductive so I shifted focus.

But I'll go balls to the wall for an eagle lynch if I know enough people would get on board.

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

EP I play p. differently every town game so I urge you to meta me beyond History if you're going to meta me at all. Also hiplop felt strongly about grapes and I let him take the wheel but now I kinda want to switch to Klingon.

I really hate the Eagle wagon. He seems like lynchbait 101 to me.

Klingon is a shoe in for scum. She tried to discredit my vote on her by lying about my ability to read her and has since ignored me calling her out on it. Hiplop can we switch to Klingon?

~Spiffy

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

↑ Garmr wrote:Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

The case against him is just that he has made posts with logic that doesn't fully work. I have played 3 games where this happened, we lynched the person and they flipped town. I don't think he is VI, but I think it should be pretty easy in later days to find scum motivation. Since there are more surprising scumminess, like Kling and Elyse, I don't support an EE lynch right now.

↑ itlepip wrote:

↑ Garmr wrote:Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

The case against him is just that he has made posts with logic that doesn't fully work. I have played 3 games where this happened, we lynched the person and they flipped town. I don't think he is VI, but I think it should be pretty easy in later days to find scum motivation. Since there are more surprising scumminess, like Kling and Elyse, I don't support an EE lynch right now.

You either read nothing of my posts or pretending not to.

↑ Garmr wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:

↑ Garmr wrote:Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

The case against him is just that he has made posts with logic that doesn't fully work. I have played 3 games where this happened, we lynched the person and they flipped town. I don't think he is VI, but I think it should be pretty easy in later days to find scum motivation. Since there are more surprising scumminess, like Kling and Elyse, I don't support an EE lynch right now.

You either read nothing of my posts or pretending not to.

TBH I probably missed a few. Going back over it your case is reasonable. I think the biggest/best point of it is how he is acting under pressure. For me from a gut point of view I think I understand why a town EE would do that. I'm not willing to townbloc with EE for example, but NVM continue, just realized something, I think the beginning is still valid so I'll keep but yeah I have no problem with you on the EE wagon. I don't like some of the people who are sort of poising to join the EE wagon if it goes anywhere (Elyse literally said this).

EBWOP: That post didn't make any sense, sorry. Basically I missed a few posts, keep doing what you are doing, my post was more for the EE fence sitters like Elyse.

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

I need to look back at that grape post and double check to see if it was a knee jerk. Not happening tonight though.

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

↑ Spider Gwen wrote:

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

I need to look back at that grape post and double check to see if it was a knee jerk. Not happening tonight though.

↑ Aunt Jemina wrote:grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

just say who they are...

↑ itlepip wrote:I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

That's the word I was looking for that.

Lynchbait. That was the premise of my big gambit. I was/am lynchbait. But that's the goal. I understood this might go here when I did that.

But that's also two reasons Elyse is scum in this post:
1. Fell for gambit by intentionally trying to appear as if missing lynchbait/avoiding lynchbait by voting garmr
2. Votes people when there's "support" for it.

So I'm cool with this lynch. I don't think it will actually happen, in fact I hope it won't, particularly because I was hoping to lynch all the scum first. But if you need my blood first, that's fine. Unfortunately I doubt anyone will follow through on my ever accurate reads, so I kind of need to stay alive so we can win this, but if you manage without me, that's fun too.

But I'm totally for lynching Elyse and her scummy face first.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:

↑ itlepip wrote:I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

That's the word I was looking for that.

Lynchbait. That was the premise of my big gambit. I was/am lynchbait. But that's the goal. I understood this might go here when I did that.

But that's also two reasons Elyse is scum in this post:
1. Fell for gambit by intentionally trying to appear as if missing lynchbait/avoiding lynchbait by voting garmr
2. Votes people when there's "support" for it.

So I'm cool with this lynch. I don't think it will actually happen, in fact I hope it won't, particularly because I was hoping to lynch all the scum first. But if you need my blood first, that's fine. Unfortunately I doubt anyone will follow through on my ever accurate reads, so I kind of need to stay alive so we can win this, but if you manage without me, that's fun too.

But I'm totally for lynching Elyse and her scummy face first.

I will clarify my post a little by saying that I feel strongly that we shouldn't lynch EE today, I don't feel as strong that EE is town.

↑ Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Elyse, how do you feel about spidergwen? How do you feel about lynching her today?

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↑ Passionate Storm wrote:Let's just focus on town blocking.

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