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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:29 am

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That's a good point Poker. If Poker was scum he wouldn't have needed to interfere. So the way I see it Korlash must be the one lying.

Which means Korlash is scum. He seems to be saying he would have killed Poker instead of Dead Rik as a defense.

I think i'm ready to assume Poker is what he says he is and
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:25 pm

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<<<Posting for the purpose of showing I am not quick lynching.

If I was scum I would have watched you kill each other last night anyway. One of you is definatly lying.

So Xtoxm answer the question why kill Dead Rik? A kill is a kill, stabing or not. Your previous excuse is almost crapier than Korlash's logic. I certainly didn't kill and Korlash can only scar. So why shouldn't I lynch you?
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:27 pm

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I didn't kill Dead Rik. I told you I targetted Korlash. But he didn't die.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:15 pm

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I'm not really bying that too much. You use kills and Korlash uses scaring. Let's see how far your deception might reach.

@Xtoxm,
Can you rationally explain how Dead Rik died?
Your stabbing vs eggs down throat excuse isn't that good. It's descent I'll give you credit for that much. But can you give a logical explaination as to how we got to this situation? Who killed him if not you?

At the moment my brain is saying look at the
night evidence
. I'd rather things weren't that easy. I like challenges too much. My gut keeps telling me that Korlash is scum. The man sitting dead on the comode has no will. His kills are truly random. Korlash already made a bad excuse too. Killed blue collar saying he did not read the lynch scene.

A better excuse would have been:
"No one here has heard of the blue collar man. That claim seemed wickedly shady and had a good chance of being a fake scum safe claim."
That would have been the ideal excuse. For you see if I was a vig and in Korlashes shoes, that's exactly what I would have done.

@Korlash,
Please explain/paraphase what you can about your character. What flavor do you have?
Try to convince me that your character would have the good will of Dante on his mind. Randall certainly would have that on his mind. And don't make a cop out saying I don't want to get mod killed. You have played enough to know what is too far, so say what you can because
I'll definatly know if you are lying.


As it stands I'd really rather not use my final card. That would be too easy at this point. After all which ever one of you is scum, you're not very good at it. I can make a better excuse than Korlash. The fact he did not read the lynch scene and make a good choice/reason for the kill shows the town's best interests might not be on his mind. And if I was Xtoxm and scum I wouldn't have killed Dead Rik and relied on the mod's flavor as a scapegoat.

Hopefully which ever of you is scum will get better as you play more. I always like a good challenge. Win or loose the thrill and fun of a game is why I always play. I enjoy tough competition so I'll definatly be looking forward to playing with each of you after this is over. For you see I've been fully cleared. If i was scum I'd have won by now. This means I can piss each of you off as much as I want and there is nothing you can do about it. :twisted: . And pissing you off here will definatly effect how well you play in our next encounter.
I truly can't loose.


Here's how we are going to do things. I want Korlash to answer his question first. Xtoxm will answer his second. When Xtoxm answers I would like him to unvote. Korlash I don't want you to cast a vote either. This last confusing detail will be explained...
if I feel like it

I'm going to read through the game and weigh your answers with what has transpired. Perhaps I'll vote after that.
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:09 am

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Ok before I answer it I would like to clear one thign up, i did read the lynch scene. I am not stupid *rolls eyes*

Ok I'm stupid but I'm not totally bad at this game. I made sure he was in fact scum, and for some reason "chewlies rep" came across to me as "catlins partner" meaning I did think he was in fact Rick. Now if I had thought about it more I would have remembered chewlies was a gum... Thus gum guy... Realise I thoguth the gum guy HAD to be the sk at the time and so seeing the death a mafia, i quickly sent in the NK I thought was the sk.

As poor a play as it was, the small little details all added up to me being a rash stupid vig. Just thought I would clear that up.

On a side note, Who was the guy that Shot Dante? I don't remember that in the movie... When did this happen?

Now on to your question...
poker wrote:Please explain/paraphase what you can about your character. What flavor do you have?
I did this before but your right it is time to rehash the important stuff. Lets looka t my guy froma flavor point of view.

1) I come in, and ask for free stuff (more or less) Dante GIVES IT TO ME! Why would I harbor bad feelings for a nice young man.

2) In the movie I "scar" Catlin. Catlin is scum in this game. In the movie I scar no one else. So, for lack of a better word, I "kill" once. This proves *flavor wise* two things. I am not scum, as I am responcible int he movie for the removal of a scum. And I am not an Sk as I only "killed" one person. Sk= multiple kills.

I believe thats about it for flavor character wise.

Flavor role wise...

My role is "Old Man"
I do love porno apparently.
In a nutshell I can morally scar a person and they leave the game just like they are dead.
being old this action may kill me.
I have the town win condition.

There all falvor bases are covered. Moving on...
Poker wrote:Randall certainly would have that on his mind.
Do you not remember all the crap he did in the movie? I mean a 400$ fine? Insulting customers. *burning down the store* Clerks 2... but still!
poker wrote:And don't make a cop out saying I don't want to get mod killed.
... What kind of player do you think I am? Seriously....
Poker wrote:You have played enough to know what is too far, so say what you can because I'll definatly know if you are lying.
Jsut becuase you were able to out me when i actually was an sk does not make you an expert on me lying :P
poker wrote:I can make a better excuse than Korlash.
... What excuse? For what? My Night kill? There is no excuse for killing a townie, accident, random, unintentional... No one can make an excuse for that.

Poker wrote:This means I can piss each of you off as much as I want and there is nothing you can do about it. Twisted Evil . And pissing you off here will definatly effect how well you play in our next encounter. I truly can't loose.
Unless you are the jail keeper and this was your plan all along! *gasp* it would totally take me by surprise!

Also, on a side totally random WIFOM worthless reasoning...

What is the chances of me being an Sk in both games we played together here poker? >.>

Your turn X... Better make it good!!!

Last thing, you do realise the concept of fakecalims is still out there right? Btoh me and Xtom would be lying about our role anyways. And like I said, crappy scum fakeclaims, Sk has to have a good one.
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:19 am

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@Xtoxm, Can you rationally explain how Dead Rik died?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Who killed him if not you?
I imagine that would be Korlash.

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This means I can piss each of you off as much as I want and there is nothing you can do about it. . And pissing you off here will definatly effect how well you play in our next encounter. I truly can't loose.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:08 am

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Woah, I wrote part of that my last post drunk. I sound like an crazy asshole. You guys are both good players perhaps I'll take it easy on you later.

Korlash, I still am not a fan of your reaction to the day2 lynch scene but I see where you are coming from better now. Good answers Korlash despite your story changed a little from your last explaination of it. You are indeed a good player. I often try to get inside the head of those I think are scum. If I was "Player X" and I was scum, what would I have done. And if I was you and I was scum I simply would have used the excuse I mentioned earlier.

"The guy who shot Dante" was a character that exists in the original version of the film. The original version had an alternative ending. After Dante and Randall reconciled about the Veronica&Caitlin thing. Randall closed the video store and went home. A man with a gun later came to the quick stop and shot Dante. Kevin Smith originally didn't have a way to end his film. The reconciling thing he thought was not good. So his originally ending was to kill Dante. But since this didn't not show well what focus groups they could muster they cut the scene. Which is a good thing cause Clerks2 could not have been made with a dead main character.

Your character in the film did politly ask for some free magazines, and I seem to recall Dante getting a little frustrated but he still gave you the mags. I recall edion0 saying this earlier into the game:
edion0 wrote:*comes in and starts rifling through the mags*
despite the character crumb edion0 put in his second post, I still have trouble seeing how a Dead man could want to do anything let alone help Dante. After your character had the mags he got an erection while looking at the porno. He also had a heart attack which is a possible side effect of having sex when real old and fat. The blood was too busy being in is dick to reach his heart and brain. After that Caitlin went into the bathroom. She thought Dante was in there. She wanted to have sex with Dante but ended up doing someone else.

And your wifom statement is rather worthless. I was on irc a week ago and I was scum 5 games in a row. Random picking machine's are random, since each game is not enforced by the same mod or role placement system your wifom is worthless.

@Korlash,
Your character did not intentionaly fuck caitlin. And in our situation you have fucked 2 people. I agree you can't be mafia but I don't necessary think the SK HAS to have a safe claim. Our last game had some scum without them. And Randal was an important character in the film. Seeing our game without him in it would be mindblowing. Do you actually think Randal is not in the game?

@Xtoxm,
That is quite a short and sweat little answer. I don't really have much to comment on. Korlash is answering my questions better at this moment. Perhaps he really deserves to win. More on this later. Now that I have explained the porno guy's character can you say how he could have caused the eggman's death? You merely said he did it which is rather obvious from your point of view since it wasn't me. Can you say how?

Your answer was pretty good korlash. You are a good player. Your answer was quick and weak Xtoxm. Can you do better. Answer the statements here in any order.
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:52 am

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I really don't think I can answer any better because I simply don't know. Put yourself in my position. How can I possibly know what happend to Dead Rik?
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:53 am

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T_T That means so much to me poker... Not many people would venture to call me a "good player" in any meaning of the word...

as for Randal not being in it, who knows. I mean, next to Dante he is the most important character. I could see him sitting it out. But I think with the limited characters to choose from he would definitly be in it somehow. I think as a safeclaim is pushing it, and I could see him being a vig. It would require the setup to be rewritten I think.

As for him being Sk I have been trying to come up with a theory. So far... nothing... I mean why would Randal intentionally want to hurt Dante... Perhaps his win condition is different. "You want to be alone with dante so you guys can hang out all day" or something. In which case he would want us all out of the picture. The only down side to that is how does that make him a threat to Dante. Perhaps put in flavor about him being the cluts he is and how he always messes up Dantes life, and you get an Sk role. Seems plausable. He doesnt WANT to hurt Dante, but he does unintentionally. Fits the movie and the situation now.

I guess you could find flaws in that theory just the same as with others though.

Actaully xtom how about doing your own flavor claim. Got anything you can give us?
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:55 am

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BTW... you wern't drunk when writting that one were you? :P

also just a side note:
poker wrote: I seem to recall Dante getting a little frustrated but he still gave you the mags.
You could say the Egg guy distracted him a little. Not so much frustration, but a small waste of time. Jay kinda frustrated Dante a bit. Veronica pissed him off over the... 47 guys thing... I mean a little frustration isn't all that bad right?
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:26 pm

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Well a blind man can tell who answers are best so far. Xtoxm you are not doing so well. The point of having Korlash go before you earlier and the point of me explaining his character was to see if you would use your imagination to hunt for a good answer. Town are suppose to hunt for answers and scum. I didn't specifically ask Korlash to find an answer to how you could be an sk and he actually came up with a descent reason. I suppose the idea of frustration is not so wrong.

Xtoxm, I'll admit your stabbing vs egg throat thing was good now that I have taken better looks at the night scenes. Ergo had Dante mention stab, shoot and other things separatly in the no lynch thing. Like he was distinguish between them. But I shouldn't of had to find that part of the answer. You should have given it all to me. Everybody should be able to defend themself well but you have to do more, hunt for the truth. You are one crappy scumbag. Feel free to insult me back anytime now because I am very close to lynching you. You might want to make use of your brain and try to imagine how Korlash could have caused the death. I actually kind of let the answer slip earlier near the end of day 2. Scumbags as bad as you Xtoxm should pay more attention to the thread.

Well our game is nearing a close. I wonder who truly deserves the win. Here are your next questions. Korlash you are rather astute. Yes, i was 100% sober when i wrote that post. This question goes out to both of you. That post I made where I was a rather crazy asshole, Notice anything
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about it. This is like your chance to criticize me if you want to. Do it!

That's right Xtoxm gets a third chance at his previous question if he wants it. Then they both have to answer/comment on the other question/statement. In the time it takes you two to answer all this I should be able to finish my go through/weigh in of who is scum. Hindsight says Korlash is winning but not like I have all my numbers in front of me yet. I'll post again tomorrow night. See you guys later.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:29 pm

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Oh one more thing
Korlash wrote:T_T That means so much to me poker... Not many people would venture to call me a "good player" in any meaning of the word...

as for Randal not being in it, who knows. I mean, next to Dante he is the most important character. I could see him sitting it out. But I think with the limited characters to choose from he would definitly be in it somehow. I think as a safeclaim is pushing it, and I could see him being a vig. It would require the setup to be rewritten I think.

As for him being Sk I have been trying to come up with a theory. So far... nothing... I mean why would Randal intentionally want to hurt Dante... Perhaps his win condition is different. "You want to be alone with dante so you guys can hang out all day" or something. In which case he would want us all out of the picture. The only down side to that is how does that make him a threat to Dante. Perhaps put in flavor about him being the cluts he is and how he always messes up Dantes life, and you get an Sk role. Seems plausable. He doesnt WANT to hurt Dante, but he does unintentionally. Fits the movie and the situation now.

I guess you could find flaws in that theory just the same as with others though.

Actaully xtom how about doing your own flavor claim. Got anything you can give us?
Xtoxm I'd also like you to answer Korlash's question here. Can you paraphrase any flavor you got for us?

Xtoxm has 3 questions and Korlash has only one at the moment. later
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:40 pm

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Go fuck yourself it's a game you don't have to insult me on a personal level.
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:45 pm

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I was enjoying this up til now
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:54 pm

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Dude I was just kidding. Sorry if I came off bad like that. Your idea in the last game to try and trick the scum to shoot you was pretty smart thing. Say what you can and we'll continue. I apoligize.
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:01 pm

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That move was quite cunning. And since I did find that stuff in the no lynch that Ergo distinguished you certainly are back in the game here. You laughed at my piss off joke and I like that.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:09 pm

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poker wrote:I truly can't loose.
Your a surviver... or a win/win role.
poker wrote:Whenever I'm not scum. (Sk or mafia). I try to win for the town.[/qoute]

Sounds like your calling yourelf neutral here. "for the town" seems an odd way to phrase it.

Also, Sk or Mafia. What about Cult?? Could be your a recruiter and each night your "victum" was killed.
poker wrote:I'll definatly know if you are lying.
You already know what affiliation I am? Cop, tracker? Burgular? Dante himself? O.o
poker wrote:night evidence.
More evidence to point to you being investigator role.

So... how did I do?
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:25 pm

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Damn, you're closer than I thought you'd get from the nonsencical post of mine. No need for you to go any further Korlash. I'd actually prefer you didn't. Your test is over you can put your pencil down. I'll rank all answers later.

Xtoxm its now your chance to top Korlash. Come on I know you can do it. Give Krap Logick a run for his money! A player with your cunning has got to have some tricks up his sleeve.
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:37 pm

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=D Me do good?

Odd... I usually failed tests in school...

Poker man, I know your having fun and all but I would be a bit careful abotu how hard you push Xtom. I know your joking around and all, but I mean... it's me here. How many players like me are there on this site? XD
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:16 pm

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Yay you are quite right Korlash. Day 3 Xtoxm did some excellent posting and hunting for scum in posts 545-547, 552. I think the attitude I'm showing here day 4 isn't helpful at all. Not to him and not to you. In my quest for fun I've ended up ruining some things. I can only hope he forgives what I said and makes some comment. In truth I don't see any player as being a bad player. Everybody is pretty good at this game. I play this game for fun and because no player's style is the same. Each game is a new way to have fun with the players here. I myself still suck quite badly at mafia. I play trying to learn and do good and it appears I have forgotten to teach and reflect some of these lessons i have learned. Heck with all the game posts Xtoxm has had, he has probably already surpassed me in 'forum' mafia experience. I really hope he will make a comment so I can try to set things right.
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:34 pm

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your really testing my title here Poker.... saying I am right too many times might make all my accomplishments go away ;_;

Can I call you scum and you say I'm a lyer full of crappy logic or something?
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:42 pm

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Dude, you are full of crap logic. That practically goes without saying any more. Just bringing up that crazy jail keeper idea and that other stuff more than proves that fact. The fact you needlessly sent such uneventful suspicion out at me earlier is more than enough proof.
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:42 pm

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:lol:
When I joined this site I was a software tester for mobile applications and the song PokerFace was not yet written by Lady Gaga
Now I test lottery and gambling software. Its funny how my life has turned out. Somewhere a Time Traveler is laughing madly
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:48 pm

Post by Korlash »

Thats more like it!

did i ever tell you I almost killed you back in Dr. Who? Ahh... it's weird... Each game I have a sudden urge to night target you and I don't.. and then the next day you end up... whats the word... um... being a key part in whatever happens to me... weird eh?

I do blame my lynch back then partly on you you know... and of course my inability to fakeclaim God... <.<

And yeah, I know this has nothing to do with anything but hey... i like to talk... >.>
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:23 am

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Vote Count


Not Voting 3 (Korlash, PokerFace, Xtoxm)

3 alive, 2 to lynch.
Last edited by Erg0 on Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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